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k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2014,16:52    Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 06 2014,21:37) Quote (timothya @ Dec. 06 2014,12:08) At UD, William J Murray says this:   Quote ID makes no supernatural claims. ID only proposes that artifice, or intelligent design, is a scientifically necessary causal agency in the explanation of some artifacts. William Dembski says this:   Quote Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory. Any further clarification required? I always find this funny. So a non-deity was capable of designing the entire universe, knowing the complete ramifications of every possible setting for every known (and unknown) physical constant and how every single one of those can be combined to create humans. Further, it designed the initial organism on the planet, with every possible combination of genetics to result in the complete diversity of life on this planet -OR- It personally designed every organism on the planet, knowing what the actual outcome of the the hundreds of factors that affect each organisms genome plus how every organism interacts with every other organism and every possible molecule of non-living material. And it's not a deity??!?!?! Shhhh don't ask and don't tell. It's just some OTHER GUY! WJM is a lying sack of sh*t. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2014,21:20    Quote (Driver @ Dec. 06 2014,10:45) Zachriel, why don't you explain to Box, WJM, et al what the statistical nature of 2LOT really means? I can see a lot of fun coming from this. There's an Indian expression: "Playing the flute to the water buffalo." -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2014,21:31    Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 07 2014,02:20) Quote (Driver @ Dec. 06 2014,10:45) Zachriel, why don't you explain to Box, WJM, et al what the statistical nature of 2LOT really means? I can see a lot of fun coming from this. There's an Indian expression: "Playing the flute to the water buffalo." A lot of fun to watch it try to dance. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

timothya Posts: 280 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,02:24    The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:   Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? -------------- "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." Anatole France

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,02:32    Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,10:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:   Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Objectively or subjectively? Could it mean KF is going to do a Dembski on DA Flud™? Will he grow a pair and necklace* Joe? *Traditional African justice performed with a car tire. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,02:48    Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:     Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? You mean it doesn't mean what it says? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,08:51    Quote (Quack @ Dec. 07 2014,10:48) Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:       Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? You mean it doesn't mean what it says? Maybe but are they really saying what they mean? Is the meaning in the saying or are the sayings just for the sake of meaning? Does kf really mean it when he says Jesus is a door? Why not a window? Did they have windows in those days? Inquiring minds want to know. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,11:47    Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 06 2014,14:52) Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 06 2014,21:37) Quote (timothya @ Dec. 06 2014,12:08) At UD, William J Murray says this:     Quote ID makes no supernatural claims. ID only proposes that artifice, or intelligent design, is a scientifically necessary causal agency in the explanation of some artifacts. William Dembski says this:     Quote Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory. Any further clarification required? I always find this funny. So a non-deity was capable of designing the entire universe, knowing the complete ramifications of every possible setting for every known (and unknown) physical constant and how every single one of those can be combined to create humans. Further, it designed the initial organism on the planet, with every possible combination of genetics to result in the complete diversity of life on this planet -OR- It personally designed every organism on the planet, knowing what the actual outcome of the the hundreds of factors that affect each organisms genome plus how every organism interacts with every other organism and every possible molecule of non-living material. And it's not a deity??!?!?! Shhhh don't ask and don't tell. It's just some OTHER GUY! WJM is a lying sack of sh*t. "WJM is a lying sack of sh*t." That's putting it mildly. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,12:01    Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:   Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? KF and GG might be the same person. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,12:14    Quote (midwifetoad @ Dec. 07 2014,12:01) Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:     Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? KF and GG might be the same person. It means, "The Bible means what I say it means, so shut up. After all I am the only TRU Christian ™." -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,12:33    Quote (Driver @ Dec. 06 2014,12:45) Zachriel, why don't you explain to Box, WJM, et al what the statistical nature of 2LOT really means? I can see a lot of fun coming from this. "C'mon in, boys ... the water is fine!" -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,15:09    Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,00:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:       Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? I've asked some of the brightest minds in the universe for their opinions on what it means and they unanimously agree that it is: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2014,22:14    Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:   Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Sounds a lot like a convert to me who has to prove that his new faith is strong. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,04:20    Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,07:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:     Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? It means he is not some simple-minded fundie literalist. He has taken a scholarly approach to the matter and he has concluded after sombre evaluation that bats are of the bird kind. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,09:30    Quote bats are of the bird kind. Metaphorically speaking, of course. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,10:59    Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:     Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Is this a trick question for the statistically challenged (and those at UD who aspire to achieve that level of competence)?

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,11:02    Quote (Driver @ Dec. 08 2014,04:20) Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,07:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:     Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? It means he is not some simple-minded fundie literalist. He has taken a scholarly approach to the matter and he has concluded after sombre evaluation that bats are of the bird kind. So has he worked out that the Caped Crusader is an inmate of Alcatraz?

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,14:29    Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 08 2014,10:59) Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:     Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Is this a trick question for the statistically challenged (and those at UD who aspire to achieve that level of competence)? Nope. Not even machine learning will help decipher that. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,14:34    Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 08 2014,14:29)   Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 08 2014,10:59)   Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:         Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Is this a trick question for the statistically challenged (and those at UD who aspire to achieve that level of competence)? Nope. Not even machine learning will help decipher that. My reading is that it is indeed possible to ignite a strawman soaked in ad hominem that is already fully burning. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,14:56    Quote (sparc @ Dec. 08 2014,22:34) Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 08 2014,14:29)     Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 08 2014,10:59)     Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:           Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Is this a trick question for the statistically challenged (and those at UD who aspire to achieve that level of competence)? o Nope. Not even machine learning will help decipher that. My reading is that it is indeed possible to ignite a strawman soaked in ad hominem that is already fully burning. And verily thou shalt use straw to fuel the fire of ignorance. Thou shalt never partake of the red herring as Paul did at the Red sea. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,16:03    Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 08 2014,14:56) Quote (sparc @ Dec. 08 2014,22:34)   Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 08 2014,14:29)     Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 08 2014,10:59)       Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:           Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Is this a trick question for the statistically challenged (and those at UD who aspire to achieve that level of competence)? o Nope. Not even machine learning will help decipher that. My reading is that it is indeed possible to ignite a strawman soaked in ad hominem that is already fully burning. And verily thou shalt use straw to fuel the fire of ignorance. Thou shalt never partake of the red herring as Paul did at the Red sea. And he shall make your bricks without straw. And your tally shall remain unchanged. Good thing this isn't UD. Mullings would ban us for blasphemy.

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,16:34    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2014,21:03) Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 08 2014,14:56) Quote (sparc @ Dec. 08 2014,22:34)   Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 08 2014,14:29)       Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 08 2014,10:59)       Quote (timothya @ Dec. 07 2014,02:24) The Kairosfocus had this to say at UD:             Quote KB: I suspect that some clarification on the meaning/message and truth of Scripture is needed. First, that scripture must be understood on grammar, language [esp. Heb. Aramaic and Koine Greek], genre and imagery [What does Jesus mean to say, I am the Door . . . sensus literalis does not commit us to thinking of Oak or Cedar etc, and when Scripture portrays how Paul and Silas were beaten and thrown in stocks at Philippi it does not commend kangaroo courts but just the opposite, etc . . . ], context, setting and occasion, authorial intent, etc and so taking the text at its proper meaning per what it actually says vs what many may read into it, becomes important. You are right to highlight the problem of strawman caricatures and a subtext of contempt. Which, is ever more luridly revealing of the thoughts and intents of the heart in a culture where the chattering classes so often preen themselves on tolerance and cultural sensitivity. It is time for a rethink. KF What does this mean? Is this a trick question for the statistically challenged (and those at UD who aspire to achieve that level of competence)? o Nope. Not even machine learning will help decipher that. My reading is that it is indeed possible to ignite a strawman soaked in ad hominem that is already fully burning. And verily thou shalt use straw to fuel the fire of ignorance. Thou shalt never partake of the red herring as Paul did at the Red sea. And he shall make your bricks without straw. And your tally shall remain unchanged. Good thing this isn't UD. Mullings would ban us for blasphemy. He has been reading this site recently for sure. He seems to read it a lot. I   would be unsurprised to see him work into one of his comments why the Bible doesn't say bats are birds which  is indicative of the misunderstanding of the chattering classes etc etc. The Bible isn't the object of the joke, of course. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,21:16    If bats weren't bird kind, then how could a bat man have a ward who turned out to be a robin?

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2014,22:24    Just out of curiosity: bfast showed up in the discussion section of a  recent thread at the Sandwalk blog. While he was quite active there before Google can't find any apperance of bfast at UD during the last 12 months and I wonder whether he left on his own or if he has been banned. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2014,02:17    Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 09 2014,03:16) If bats weren't bird kind, then how could a bat man have a ward who turned out to be a robin? It's a misspelling of 'Rubbing' -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2014,07:19    Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 09 2014,10:17)   Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 09 2014,03:16) If bats weren't bird kind, then how could a bat man have a ward who turned out to be a robin? It's a misspelling of 'Rubbing' Queue Joey and Gordon entering stage left dancing ?????? interpretively with Mr Leathers. For a bonus point guess who's the bitch director. I expect ur answerez by happy hour. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2014,15:03    Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 09 2014,05:19) Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 09 2014,10:17)     Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 09 2014,03:16) If bats weren't bird kind, then how could a bat man have a ward who turned out to be a robin? It's a misspelling of 'Rubbing' Queue Joey and Gordon entering stage left dancing ?????? interpretively with Mr Leathers. For a bonus point guess who's the bitch director. I expect ur answerez by happy hour. arrington? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2014,16:35    Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 09 2014,12:19) Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 09 2014,10:17)     Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 09 2014,03:16) If bats weren't bird kind, then how could a bat man have a ward who turned out to be a robin? It's a misspelling of 'Rubbing' Queue Joey and Gordon entering stage left dancing ?????? interpretively with Mr Leathers. For a bonus point guess who's the bitch director. I expect ur answerez by happy hour. I know one thing. That cartoonist can't draw bats. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2014,16:42    Quote (Driver @ Dec. 09 2014,16:35) Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 09 2014,12:19) Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 09 2014,10:17)     Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 09 2014,03:16) If bats weren't bird kind, then how could a bat man have a ward who turned out to be a robin? It's a misspelling of 'Rubbing' Queue Joey and Gordon entering stage left dancing ?????? interpretively with Mr Leathers. For a bonus point guess who's the bitch director. I expect ur answerez by happy hour. I know one thing. That cartoonist can't draw bats. They're signalling for the progeny on Spiderman and Batgirl. TAKE TAHT EVILUTIONS! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2014,20:37    Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 09 2014,08:17) Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 09 2014,03:16) If bats weren't bird kind, then how could a bat man have a ward who turned out to be a robin? It's a misspelling of 'Rubbing' Weird choice to have them at the same altitude as the bat signal.

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