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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2008,23:00   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 20 2008,21:07)
I think we should fix them in such a way that they work for everyone except Louis.

First of all, you're a genius w/r/t Louis.

Second of all, i would have mentioned the buttons thing to Wesley, but he's so inactive and lazy he can barely be roused to swirl the Pina Colada he sips during the island vacation he calls a life.

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2008,23:11   

The buttons are back. My attempted fix to Comic had busted them.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2008,23:12   

I'm sure everyone recognizes my little attempt at humor...

(looks around nervously)

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2008,23:28   

I wish I had something sippable and somewhat alcoholic. We're too broke for beer at the moment.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 20 2008,23:30   

I just noticed the Firefox "Error Console" function under "Tools". That helped a bunch in tracking down the button problem.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2008,02:30   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2008,05:00)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 20 2008,21:07)
I think we should fix them in such a way that they work for everyone except Louis.

First of all, you're a genius w/r/t Louis.

Second of all, i would have mentioned the buttons thing to Wesley, but he's so inactive and lazy he can barely be roused to swirl the Pina Colada he sips during the island vacation he calls a life.

But but but Steve, I thought you loved me?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Louis

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Bye.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2008,06:58   

Quote (Louis @ Oct. 21 2008,02:30)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2008,05:00)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Oct. 20 2008,21:07)
I think we should fix them in such a way that they work for everyone except Louis.

First of all, you're a genius w/r/t Louis.

Second of all, i would have mentioned the buttons thing to Wesley, but he's so inactive and lazy he can barely be roused to swirl the Pina Colada he sips during the island vacation he calls a life.

But but but Steve, I thought you loved me?

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Louis

Oh, we think he does love you Louis.  We're just not sure if it is the wholesome -type romantic love he's searching for.

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BopDiddy



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2008,07:06   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 20 2008,23:30)
I just noticed the Firefox "Error Console" function under "Tools". That helped a bunch in tracking down the button problem.

For me, professional nerd, Firebug rocks.  Integrates cleanly with Firefox.  Check it out.

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2008,10:12   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 20 2008,23:28)
I wish I had something sippable and somewhat alcoholic. We're too broke for beer at the moment.



Hey, it works for Arden!

buttons working!  thou rocketh, plurally.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2008,23:42   

It's been a few days since I added the CAPTCHA stuff to the registration process here. Has anyone successfully registered with that in place? I just noticed that there have been no registration requests left pending since then, and we had been averaging four or five of those per hour before. So either the system is working great and the bots are being held at bay, or the system is busted and nobody at all is able to register.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2008,01:00   

Well, maybe you could get yourself a temporary email id and try to register a new id using that.

Henry

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2008,22:39   

I've noticed a minor glitch in the way PT tracks what's old and what's new in a thread. If the last couple of replies in a thread have the same time stamp, it will show one of them when the thread is first loaded, then when the refresh button is hit, it shows through the last one, and says "1 new reply". Ideally, it should do that behavior only once, then on following days it should just show all the replies on first load, and no new replies on refresh.

For example, "The double edge sword" (By PvM on February 6, 2008 1:32 PM   | 52 Comments  | No TrackBacks) does this.

Henry

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2008,14:49   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 25 2008,01:00)
Well, maybe you could get yourself a temporary email id and try to register a new id using that.

Henry

It is easier to ask, though apparently less effective.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2008,12:07   

Was the PT & AtBC server down for an hour or two this morning, or was that just me?

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2008,00:43   

Apparently there was another porn-spam comment entered today.

I could go over to the database and do something like switch people to non-posting guest access if they haven't ever posted and registered more than some number of months ago. I think I can write an SQL statement to do that. But... is that going to inconvenience anyone unduly? I wouldn't think so, but I thought I would mention it before simply nuking a bunch of accounts.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2008,00:44   

Yes, we had an outage on the server the other day. Sorry for the downtime. I don't like it either; it means I don't get my email, too.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2008,10:51   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 04 2008,01:43)
Apparently there was another porn-spam comment entered today.

I could go over to the database and do something like switch people to non-posting guest access if they haven't ever posted and registered more than some number of months ago. I think I can write an SQL statement to do that. But... is that going to inconvenience anyone unduly? I wouldn't think so, but I thought I would mention it before simply nuking a bunch of accounts.

Nuke 'em, Duke.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,10:39   

Is there any way to get either this site or Uncommon Descent to do the RSS feed thing (which I know nothing about) so I would get notified of new posts?  Any help explaining how RSS feeds work would be much appreciated.

  
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,13:54   

Do you have Firefox? Then there is an orange icon in the adress line, a dot with two bows, if the page you're looking at does have an RSS feed (maybe there is something similar in IE?). If you click on it a new page will open and ask you whether you want to get this RSS feed and gives you some options (in my case Google reader, My Yahoo and Bloglines). I use Google reader which is IMO easy to use and well arranged, but you need a Google account for it. You can open one here.

If there is an RSS icon on the page itself (on ATBC there is one at the top right) you can click on that and get the same options (if using firefox, don't know about IE). Another possibility is to right-click on it and Save link address. Than you can add this link manually to the feed reader of your choice.

If you don't want to get a Google account then another option is Wizz RSS, that's an Firefox add-on (Download). It opens in a sidebar in Firefox and adds a toolbar. I don't like the toolbar because it takes away space. You can close it with a right click on the toolbar and uncheck Wizz toolbar. Under options (where you can uncheck the toolbar) you can find a small Wizz icon and drag & drop it where ever it fits, so you can open the Wizz sidebar with a click on that icon. Wizz has a RSS feed search function and if it finds a feed you can add it simply by drag & drop. I used it for quite a while and still like it but if you read a lot of feeds than IMO Google is more convenient.

I know that you can use Thunderbird as a feedreader, too, but I've never tried it.  I think you have to add a new account for RSS feeds and than add the RSS feed addresses manually.

New posts on ATBC http://www.antievolution.org/aebbrss.php

New posts on UD http://www.uncommondescent.com/feed/

New comments on UD http://www.uncommondescent.com/wp-commentsrss2.php

I hope that helps you to get started.
Or at least didn't confuse you.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,14:58   

I used RSS feeds many years ago, but I found them to be sometimes annoying. Slate, for instance, their article titles were often completely uninformative about what the article was about, and I couldn't tell if it was interesting or not. So I quit using RSS years ago and have little idea what it's like now. I do have one question, though. Is there a way to rig up RSS in such a way that every so many hours it preserves the new comments at UD in such a way that if the comment is deleted, the RSS won't go back and delete it next time it updates?

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,15:23   

btw, if anybody out there is very familiar with using the Windows CMD line, please PM me. I have a question, and I can't find the answer on any sites I've looked on.

   
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,15:27   

Thanks, JLT.  That's exactly what I wanted to know.  I'm using my email client, Mail on a Mac, and I needed the URL you rpovided for UD comments.  It all got setup easily and in moments.

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,15:41   

Oops - spoke too soon.  New posts are being made here and yet my RSS feed reader doesn't see them even when I update manually.  Should they be immediately available from this site?

  
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,15:47   

Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 27 2008,20:58)
I used RSS feeds many years ago, but I found them to be sometimes annoying. Slate, for instance, their article titles were often completely uninformative about what the article was about, and I couldn't tell if it was interesting or not. So I quit using RSS years ago and have little idea what it's like now. I do have one question, though. Is there a way to rig up RSS in such a way that every so many hours it preserves the new comments at UD in such a way that if the comment is deleted, the RSS won't go back and delete it next time it updates?

A lot of the feeds from commercial sites still just have the title and maybe a single line summary of the article. But many blogs (even UD) do have the whole post (and comments) as feed. I just delete feeds from my reader that don't give me more than the title.

Google reader doesn't have the option to save all posts from one feed but let's say you opened GR in the morning and looked at some amusing UD comments/posts and later in the day some of them are obliviated on UD, then you can still find them in your GR in most of the cases. But if you didn't look at GR in the morning than GR hasn't updated your feeds and you'd never see those comments/posts that were obliviated in the meantime*.

It may be easier with a feed reader that can work offline, like Thunderbird. I think Thunderbird actually downloads the posts/comments to make them available to you when you are offline. If you were online all the time it would download all the posts/comments as soon as they are posted and than they are stored until you delete them. But as I said earlier, I haven't used Thunderbird as a feed reader, yet, so I don't know for sure.**

* I hope that sentence makes sense, I'm not too sure about the grammar... and my computer-related vocabulary isn't that extensive. I blame Thanksgiving. If all those interwebs-savvy Americans weren't eating Turkey all day long they could answer your question probably much better than poor me...

** See above.

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,15:58   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 27 2008,21:41)
Oops - spoke too soon.  New posts are being made here and yet my RSS feed reader doesn't see them even when I update manually.  Should they be immediately available from this site?

There is a time delay between the moment the post or comment is posted and the moment it's available over feed and some sites seem to update their feed more frequent than others. AtBC is especially slow - or maybe the posters are exceptionally fast...

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,16:12   

I'm taking a look at Wget right now.

   
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,16:24   

Things are coming in now.  I set my RSS to check every five minutes.  This is quite handy, as I have my email open all the time.  Thanks to all for the help.

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,22:17   

Quote (JLT @ Nov. 27 2008,15:58)
Quote (Jkrebs @ Nov. 27 2008,21:41)
Oops - spoke too soon.  New posts are being made here and yet my RSS feed reader doesn't see them even when I update manually.  Should they be immediately available from this site?

There is a time delay between the moment the post or comment is posted and the moment it's available over feed and some sites seem to update their feed more frequent than others. AtBC is especially slow - or maybe the posters are exceptionally fast...

I don't see how that's possible. The system is dynamic. Each posted comment adds an entry to a data file. Each call to the "aebbrss.php" script opens the data file and outputs it in the RSS XML format.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,22:20   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Nov. 27 2008,23:17)
I don't see how that's possible. The system is dynamic. Each posted comment adds an entry to a data file. Each call to the "aebbrss.php" script opens the data file and outputs it in the RSS XML format.

Nevertheless, I often read here by RSS, and there is in fact a delay of several minutes or longer.

ETA: Just loaded up google reader fresh, and neither your comment nor mine appears yet, although my comment in the libations and comestibles thread from 20 minutes ago does.

Edited by Lou FCD on Nov. 27 2008,23:23

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2008,22:25   

google is probably keeping a local cache of it dum-dums

   
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