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JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 10 2015,17:51    Quote (Woodbine @ July 10 2015,15:19) Quote (CeilingCat @ July 10 2015,21:48) Praise the Lord!  Kent Hovind is out of prison. And look who's here to welcome him home! A miracle!  Hovind's found someone even sleazier than he is.  Take that, evilutionists! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2015,06:43    vjtorley has a new post up: "Faith vs. Fact: Jerry Coyne’s flawed epistemology". Key quote:   Quote In today’s post, I will be defending the “folk” theory of truth, which is adopted by nearly everyone who isn’t a scientist. ID in a nutshell. Linky: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....emology

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 12 2015,18:03    Quote ... 111 StephenBJuly 8, 2015 at 5:54 pm sean ... Any right granted to one group always takes away a right from another group. The latest Supreme Court decision, for example, gives primacy of the state over the family. That is very harmful to me or anyone else who values his freedom. Jesus butt fucking a balrog. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2015,13:46    SOMEONE IS ENABLING THE EVIL ANLISKYITE EVO MAT STALKERS! Quote 41 kairosfocusJuly 13, 2015 at 12:32 pm DS, if you wish, you may want to contact me through the web page my UD handle links to. KF -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 13 2015,14:17    Meanwhile super-hypocrite Mung, fresh off his TSZ whine-fest about how everyone was being so mean to him and treating him so unfairly, slinks back to UD to post this Quote Mung:  Meanwhile over at TSZ they think “adaptation” is just “whatever survives natural selection” and fault Dr. Hunter for not understanding this basic fact of evolutionary theory. It's on another Cornhole Hunter thread where once again Corny is misrepresenting the evolutionary sciences, this time attacking the U.C Berkeley "Understanding Evolution" website. linky -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,12:20    Quote 12 MungJuly 12, 2015 at 6:08 pm why religion is natural and science is not Take that Jerry Coyne! linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,12:24    Quote 23 Axel July 13, 2015 at 8:41 am I don’t even think BA77 is under-appreciated, KF. My impression, for what it’s worth, is that BA77 has an enormous following of silent lurkers, scientists and lay people, who greatly appreciate his eclectic synthesis of converging data on the truth of Christianity – certainly theism, with a likely contingent of Moslem believers, as well. But we’ll learn one day soon, no doubt. yeah. Lots of scientists, hanging on BatShit77's every word. You betcha. linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,12:26    that thread is great. It boils down to BatShit asserting over and over that atheists aren't atheisting right.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,12:34    And Mung will not be out-Tarded: Quote 97 Mung July 14, 2015 at 8:45 am daveS: I’m guessing the issue is that Mr. Petersen doesn’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view, which is a common problem in these discussions. I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view. wow (linky)

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,12:40    High-grade physics bullshit from UD's resident high-grade physics bullshitter (linky): Quote 47 bornagain77 July 13, 2015 at 2:21 pm “If you can find a source showing how consciousness is involved with the quantum Zeno effect, I’d like to see it.” Quantum Zeno effect “It has been experimentally confirmed,, that unstable particles will not decay, or will decay less rapidly, if they are observed. Somehow, observation changes the quantum system. We’re talking pure observation, not interacting with the system in any way.” Douglas Ell – Counting to God – pg. 189 – 2014 – Douglas Ell graduated early from MIT, where he double majored in math and physics. He then obtained a masters in theoretical mathematics from the University of Maryland. After graduating from law school, magna cum laude, he became a prominent attorney. (My emphasis) QM, therefore Jesus.  If we ignore that pesky uncertainty principle, which is a totally superfluous part of QM. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,12:54    Trying to be fair to mung, I would agree that religion is "natural" and science is not. In the same sense that smallpox is natural and vaccines are not. Or cataracts are natural and IOLs are not. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,13:12    at this point i mostly read UD to watch zachriel beat them up. Quote 90 Andre July 14, 2015 at 11:26 am Zach the moon does not rotate on its own axis hence no atmosphere…. You can’t compare the fuck is Andre trying to say? Quote 92 ZachrielJuly 14, 2015 at 12:04 pm ppolish: So you agree that it is fine tuned. Not sure if seesawing between ice ages and ice-free periods is “fine tuned”. Andre: the moon does not rotate on its own axis hence no atmosphere The Moon does rotate on its axis and experiences day and night. Rotation is important because emissions vary according to the fourth power of temperature. Overall radiation received and radiation emitted must be equal if the body is in thermal equilibrium (about 304 W/m2), but on a slowly rotating body, the average temperature will be lower than the graybody temperature. eta: linky Edited by stevestory on July 14 2015,14:13

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,13:57    Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2015,12:34) And Mung will not be out-Tarded:     Quote 97 Mung July 14, 2015 at 8:45 am daveS: I’m guessing the issue is that Mr. Petersen doesn’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view, which is a common problem in these discussions. I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view. wow (linky) Mung has himself a nice little trolling gig going.  He starts inflammatory threads over at TSZ taking advantage of Dr. Liddle's good nature then runs back to UD to shit all over the TSZ regulars.  Hopefully Dr. Liddle will catch on and quit letting the disingenuous asshat game the system. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,13:59    Re "I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view." Well, they are a non-prophet organization, after all!

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,14:57    You're fired.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,16:30    Quote (Henry J @ July 14 2015,13:59) Re "I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view." Well, they are a non-prophet organization, after all!  :p But, unlike religious organizations, not tax exempt.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,17:44    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 14 2015,13:57)     Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2015,12:34) And Mung will not be out-Tarded:         Quote 97 Mung July 14, 2015 at 8:45 am daveS: I’m guessing the issue is that Mr. Petersen doesn’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view, which is a common problem in these discussions. I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view. wow (linky) Mung has himself a nice little trolling gig going.  He starts inflammatory threads over at TSZ taking advantage of Dr. Liddle's good nature then runs back to UD to shit all over the TSZ regulars.  Hopefully Dr. Liddle will catch on and quit letting the disingenuous asshat game the system. I can't be completely harsh on Mung because we do agree 100% on Salvador. In fact, I think just about everybody here stands shoulder to shoulder with Mung re Salvador. Edited to add this: Quote 53 MungJuly 13, 2015 at 3:20 pm There just isn’t going to be any Christians flying up through the sky. Heaven just isn’t “up there.” The only good thing about the modern “rapture theory” is that it has a shelf date. I agree with Mung on TWO things.  I feel unclean. Shelf date? Edited by CeilingCat on July 14 2015,17:54

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 14 2015,17:55    Quote (CeilingCat @ July 14 2015,18:44) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 14 2015,13:57)     Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2015,12:34) And Mung will not be out-Tarded:           Quote 97 Mung July 14, 2015 at 8:45 am daveS: I’m guessing the issue is that Mr. Petersen doesn’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view, which is a common problem in these discussions. I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view. wow (linky) Mung has himself a nice little trolling gig going.  He starts inflammatory threads over at TSZ taking advantage of Dr. Liddle's good nature then runs back to UD to shit all over the TSZ regulars.  Hopefully Dr. Liddle will catch on and quit letting the disingenuous asshat game the system. I can't be completely harsh on Mung because we do agree 100% on Salvador. In fact, I think just about everybody here stands shoulder to shoulder with Mung re Salvador. Edited to add this: Quote 53 MungJuly 13, 2015 at 3:20 pm There just isn’t going to be any Christians flying up through the sky. Heaven just isn’t “up there.” The only good thing about the modern “rapture theory” is that it has a shelf date. I agree with Mung on TWO things.  I feel unclean. Shelf date? Well, everyone except Gary.  rofl Of course, Gary isn't really here, for most standard definitions of 'here'.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2015,16:38    Quote 45 Dr JDD July 16, 2015 at 2:24 pm I stopped paying attention to anything Zachriel said after he claimed 50% of embryos are spontaneously aborted in nature. Quote 47 Zachriel July 16, 2015 at 3:14 pm (...snip...) Dr JDD: claimed 50% of embryos are spontaneously aborted in nature. Quote Around half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. medline.....001488.htm

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2015,16:40    zachriel is not even fair. it's like watching bruce lee go full-contact against a class of petulant kindergartners. You kind of wince at the devastation, but you can't look away.

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2015,17:01    Quote (stevestory @ July 16 2015,16:38)   Quote 45 Dr JDD July 16, 2015 at 2:24 pm I stopped paying attention to anything Zachriel said after he claimed 50% of embryos are spontaneously aborted in nature.   Quote 47 Zachriel July 16, 2015 at 3:14 pm (...snip...) Dr JDD: claimed 50% of embryos are spontaneously aborted in nature.   Quote Around half of all fertilized eggs die and are lost (aborted) spontaneously, usually before the woman knows she is pregnant. medline.....001488.htm Maybe someone should comfort Dr JDD that "around half" might perhaps be only 48%. Or maybe the designer designed it that way, who knows the mind of the designer? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2015,22:30    After all, Behe assures us that God designed the malaria parasite, which kills about a million children a year.

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2015,14:52    Quote (Henry J @ July 14 2015,19:59) Re "I think the issue is that atheists don’t understand what the world looks like from an atheist point of view." Well, they are a non-prophet organization, after all!  :p Oh dear. For that, you get The Earworm. Don't say that you don't deserve it. -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2015,16:05    Kirosfocus is a bit fucking dense. He can't follow the argument so just rehashes his talking points. I fondly recall him getting destroyed by RBill on a similar mind / brian thread: http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-572569 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2015,11:47    i'm starting to think BatShit77 really does have some kinda mental illness. He's just repasting the same idiotic shit over and over. I don't even read his comments (does anyone?) and I'm even starting to recognise repeats like this: Quote Existential Argument against Atheism – November 1, 2013 by Jason Petersen 1. If a worldview is true then you should be able to live consistently with that worldview. 2. Atheists are unable to live consistently with their worldview. 3. If you can’t live consistently with an atheist worldview then the worldview does not reflect reality. 4. If a worldview does not reflect reality then that worldview is a delusion. 5. If atheism is a delusion then atheism cannot be true. Conclusion: Atheism is false. linky Edited by stevestory on July 18 2015,12:48

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2015,11:48    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 17 2015,17:05) Kirosfocus is a bit fucking dense. The pacific ocean is a bit damp.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2015,11:55    Quote (stevestory @ July 18 2015,12:47) i'm starting to think BatShit77 really does have some kinda mental illness. He's just repasting the same idiotic shit over and over. I don't even read his comments (does anyone?) and I'm even starting to recognise repeats like this:   Quote Existential Argument against Atheism – November 1, 2013 by Jason Petersen 1. If a worldview is true then you should be able to live consistently with that worldview. 2. Atheists are unable to live consistently with their worldview. 3. If you can’t live consistently with an atheist worldview then the worldview does not reflect reality. 4. If a worldview does not reflect reality then that worldview is a delusion. 5. If atheism is a delusion then atheism cannot be true. Conclusion: Atheism is false. linky Good god, that's stupid! Point 1 is unsupported. Point 2 is blatant, and question begging, assertion, made without support. Point 3, well, see point 1 Point 4, tautological and useless for this "argument" Point 5, gigantic leap due to the smuggled-in, hidden premise that it is impossible to be deluded into believing something that turns out to be true.  Trivially false, with countless counter-examples readily available.

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2015,20:04    Together with JoeG, Mapou will overthrow cosmology.   Quote Distance (space or volume) is abstract. It is a perceptual illusion. There are several reasons for this but the one that I like the most is this. If everything must exist in space, where is space itself? To solve this problem we would need a meta-space for space and a meta-meta-space for the meta-space, ad infinitum. IOW, there is no distance/space. It is an illusion caused by the way particles interact and the way our brains are genetically pre-wired to represent the world. I wrote a blog article on this topic several years ago. So I believe that, in a foreseeable future, when physicists wake up from their stupor and develop a correct understanding of motion and position, we will develop technologies that will allow us to travel from anywhere to anywhere instantly, without going through the intermediate positions.   Quote I believe that the universe is probably spinning around a common center of gravity at just the right velocity to keep it stable. If not, there must be some other mechanism to keep it stable. Why? It’s because I speak as someone who believes that the universe was designed. I believe it was designed to last a very long time. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2015,14:18    Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 18 2015,20:04) Together with JoeG, Mapou will overthrow cosmology.     Quote ...I like... . So I believe...   I believe... I speak as someone who believes that the universe was designed. I believe... Yeah, that pretty much is the whole point right there. He believes that everything currently known about physics, cosmology, gravity, QM, and science is wrong, because he believes something without any support. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2015,15:12    Quote 1 MapouJuly 19, 2015 at 1:38 pm Wow. Smolin seriously scares me. Time is a physical entity and has an arrow? Really? Here is a simple and rock solid refutation of both time and its arrow. If there is a time dimension and we are moving in this dimension in a given direction (time’s arrow), then this implies a velocity in time. Now velocity in space is normally given as v = dx/dt. Velocity in time would have to be written as v = dt/dt, which is nonsensical. That’s it. Conclusion: There is no time along which we are moving from the past into the future or any direction. It is an illusion and an academic deception meant to safeguard Einsteinian physics and its time travel nonsense. There is only the ever changing present. Joe Rosen said it best: Quote “What has been has indeed objectively been and is no more. What will be, objectively is not and has not been (and, in fact, is not even fully determined, according to quantum indeterminacy). All physical systems ride the universal wave of becoming. Any awareness (ours or that of other intelligences) of past and future reflects the objective wave of becoming. There is no problem of “the arrow of time.” There simply is no arrow of time, as if time could go one “way” rather than another. That metaphor is an unfortunate result of spatializing time. The picture of time as a line along which one might travel in one direction or the other is a conceptual disaster. Time is becoming. Becoming is change. The undoing of a change is also a change. There is no “unbecoming.” Source: “Time, c, and nonlocality: A glimpse beneath the surface?” Physics Essays, vol. 7, pp. 335-340, 1994 by Professor Joe Rosen Smolin? Shmolin. linky

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