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Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2011,12:36    Quote (REC @ Sep. 30 2011,10:04)   Quote (sparc @ Sep. 30 2011,06:20) Will Gordon E. Mullings finally turn gay? Kairosfocus:     Quote BREAKING: Major longitudinal (across-time) study showing spiritually motivated changes in sexual orientation The "research" group that published that paper is from Pat Robertson U, with this on their webpage: "tend to be student-oriented, focusing on engaging students through the subject matter and its application to their professional identity and ways in which God may be at work in their lives. I also try to call students to be good stewards of the many resources they have been given, to teach them to be advocates for those who are marginalized, and to see what they do in the context of God's redemptive plan. I have published two integration textbooks, such as Family Therapies: A Comprehensive Christian Appraisal and Modern Psychopathologies: A Comprehensive Christian Appraisal. I have also previously published several books on homosexuality and sexual identity: Homosexuality and the Christian: A Guide for Pastors, Parents and Friends, Homosexuality: The Use of Scientific Research in the Church's Moral Debate, Sexual Identity: A Guide to Living in the Time Between the Times, Ex-Gays? A Longitudinal Study of Religiously Mediated Change in Sexual Orientation, and Sexual Identity Synthesis: Attributions, Meaning-Making and the Search for Congruence." http://www.regent.edu/acad.......use.htm Be careful of what you wish for. You may get peer reviewed!   Quote In my view, this means of description confuses success with change. Over half did describe some version of success but that is not the same as over half describing sexual orientation change. I will be interested to see how this is reported in the press anti-evo churchlady finger-waving crowd. [fix'd that ferya!] The changes reported here are significant and no doubt welcomed by the people involved. However, they are not the types of changes which I suspect the various mental health groups mean by “sexual orientation change.” Whatever happened to the participants in this study, they do not appear to have gone from gay to straight — in the sense that people who have always been straight are straight. They have gone from gay to less gay and a bit more straight. I do not mean to suggest that this is not important information; it is. But I am wondering if anyone at APA would dispute the within category changes reported here. I am going to ask and will report what I learn. Jones and Yarhouse seem to be aware that the results can be understood as a change in identity and not orientation. But I'm not holding my breath for any sudden upswing in reading comprehensibility at UDead. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2011,13:53    Stephen B: Quote For an ID proponent to follow the “helpful” advice of a Darwinist is similar to a Republican following the helpful advice of a Democrat. Partisans do not make suggestions in order to provide aid to their adversary but rather to gain an advantage, evade the issue, blunt the point of an argument, or shut down discussion. Boy, are these guys insecure! -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2011,16:59    Quote (olegt @ Sep. 30 2011,13:53) Stephen B:   Quote For an ID proponent to follow the “helpful” advice of a Darwinist is similar to a Republican following the helpful advice of a Democrat. Partisans do not make suggestions in order to provide aid to their adversary but rather to gain an advantage, evade the issue, blunt the point of an argument, or shut down discussion. Boy, are these guys insecure! Boy, are these guys predictable. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Seversky Posts: 442 Joined: June 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2011,20:42    DeNews finds more evidence for design:   Quote Strange new features spotted on Mercury From Rachel Kaufman, National Geographic News (September 29, 2011):   Quote The planet Mercury is dotted with holes that appear to be unlike any other landform yet seen in the solar system, new pictures show. It looks a bit like like a golfball! God does not play dice with the Universe He uses it as a golf course! Intelligent Design!

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2011,21:23    Quote Boy, are these guys insecure! Would that be from living in a tent (however big) rather than a house? Henry

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2011,22:15    Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 30 2011,19:23) Quote Boy, are these guys insecure! Would that be from living in a tent (however big) rather than a house? Henry And with the camels on the outside pissing in. -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2011,23:09    Quote (Seversky @ Sep. 30 2011,20:42) DeNews finds more evidence for design:   Quote Strange new features spotted on Mercury From Rachel Kaufman, National Geographic News (September 29, 2011):   Quote The planet Mercury is dotted with holes that appear to be unlike any other landform yet seen in the solar system, new pictures show. It looks a bit like like a golfball! God does not play dice with the Universe He uses it as a golf course! Intelligent Design! If you connect the dots, you have the Mercurial Mount Rushmore. The four figures look like melted robots (this privileged planet being so close to the sun and all). It could not have arisen by chants...er, chance. Hahahaha, they've got us now! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,08:08    Quote (Kristine @ Oct. 01 2011,07:09) Quote (Seversky @ Sep. 30 2011,20:42) DeNews finds more evidence for design:     Quote Strange new features spotted on Mercury From Rachel Kaufman, National Geographic News (September 29, 2011):     Quote The planet Mercury is dotted with holes that appear to be unlike any other landform yet seen in the solar system, new pictures show. It looks a bit like like a golfball! God does not play dice with the Universe He uses it as a golf course! Intelligent Design! If you connect the dots, you have the Mercurial Mount Rushmore. The four figures look like melted robots (this privileged planet being so close to the sun and all). It could not have arisen by chants...er, chance. Hahahaha, they've got us now! What Mercury more Holy than Earth? .....where is this all going to end? The FLOOD on Mars? A plague of locusts on Nepture? Burning bushes on the way to Betelgeuse? A parting of the Red spot on Jupiter? Water into wine in Uranus? Creationists ........you have to love every bone in their heads. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,08:57    REGENT UNIVERSITY RESEARCHERS PROVE THAT WE ARE ALL BI! Because really, that's a more accurate assessment that KrapFocus's. These people should masturbate instead of grasping at straws. They would be a lot happier. There, I said it. ETA - added an sssssss (cue Teh Serpent) Edited by Kristine on Oct. 01 2011,08:58 -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,09:08    Quote (Kristine @ Oct. 01 2011,09:57) These people should masturbate instead of grasping at straws. They would be a lot happier. There, I said it. With these guys, same activity. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,09:50    Quote (Kristine @ Oct. 01 2011,08:57) REGENT UNIVERSITY RESEARCHERS PROVE THAT WE ARE ALL BI! :D Because really, that's a more accurate assessment that KrapFocus's. These people should masturbate instead of grasping at straws. They would be a lot happier. There, I said it. ETA - added an sssssss (cue Teh Serpent) But they do masturbate all day long and while they are not doing it literally they continue wanking by spaming the web. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,09:51    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 01 2011,17:08) Quote (Kristine @ Oct. 01 2011,09:57) These people should masturbate instead of grasping at straws. They would be a lot happier. There, I said it. With these guys, same activity. Oil supplied by KF. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,10:35    Quote (Kristine @ Oct. 01 2011,08:57) These people should masturbate instead of grasping at straws. They would be a lot happier. There, I said it. What makes you think that (would) make them happy? It just makes them feel guilty. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,10:40    Quote (k.e.. @ Oct. 01 2011,10:51)   Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 01 2011,17:08)     Quote (Kristine @ Oct. 01 2011,09:57) These people should masturbate instead of grasping at straws. They would be a lot happier. There, I said it. With these guys, same activity. Oil supplied by KF. Then it's oil stroked strawmen, burning. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,11:07    DeNews: Quote Come on, Darwinists, you’re going to have to come up with something better than this. As the cop said when he caught the fellow stuck in a narrow window of a house where nobody knew him Wellerism Fail? -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,15:36    Petrushka has been landing some heavy body blows recently at UD: Quote Unlike ID, sciences that posit mechanisms require research to validate conjectures about the mechanisms. that could take decades or even centuries. If your mechanism is the assertion that some unspecified entity having unspecified capabilities did some unspecified things at unspecified time and places, then you are worry free. markf, DrRec, and DrBot have also been pointing out the vacuity at the core of intelligent design creationism.  I wonder how long they'll be allowed to discuss the emperor's nudity.  The regulars aren't even bothering to mount a defense -- they don't seem to see the lack of empirical evidence, a testable theory, or predictions that suggest new research to be problems.

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,17:08    Quote (Patrick @ Oct. 01 2011,13:36) Petrushka has been landing some heavy body blows recently at UD:         Quote Unlike ID, sciences that posit mechanisms require research to validate conjectures about the mechanisms. that could take decades or even centuries. If your mechanism is the assertion that some unspecified entity having unspecified capabilities did some unspecified things at unspecified time and places, then you are worry free. markf, DrRec, and DrBot have also been pointing out the vacuity at the core of intelligent design creationism.  I wonder how long they'll be allowed to discuss the emperor's nudity.  The regulars aren't even bothering to mount a defense -- they don't seem to see the lack of empirical evidence, a testable theory, or predictions that suggest new research to be problems. That's because, in their minds,  they believe all those questions have been answered: Who:  The Almighty, of course, (but it could also have been Space Aliens, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.) What:  Created and/or modified genomes. When:  At OOL, the Cambrian, and Humans, In a few days, a week, or a few billion years.  Details.  It's all the same to the Almighty Space Aliens inside the Big Tent. How:  It doesn't matter.  "Poof" works just fine.  We're talking about the Almighty, after all. Details? We don' need no steenkin details. It's not ID's job to match your pathetic demand for details. Your details stink anyways. -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,17:27    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 01 2011,09:40) Quote (k.e.. @ Oct. 01 2011,10:51)     Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 01 2011,17:08)     Quote (Kristine @ Oct. 01 2011,09:57) These people should masturbate instead of grasping at straws. They would be a lot happier. There, I said it. With these guys, same activity. Oil supplied by KF. Then it's oil stroked strawmen, burning. Curses, oiled again!

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,17:54    Quote Details? We don' need no steenkin details. It's not ID's job to match your pathetic demand for details. Your details stink anyways. Then why not just say that the "Almighty" did it in whatever the way it was done, even if that is consistent with evolution as described by science, and be done with it? After all, if they say that some method or other was impossible, they're directly implying that the "Almighty" couldn't have done it using that method, which contradicts what I thought was their base assumption. Or am I missing something here? Henry

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,19:02    Post title exposes misunderstanding by DeNews: Quote Where Are the Neutral Genomes with these Mutations? What the hell is a neutral genome?  Mutations are neutral, ie one genome has the same fitness as another. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,19:07    DeNews: Quote But absence of evidence IS evidence of absence. Only if there is reason to expect the evidence to be there because of permanence.  For example: fossils.  Bones are permanent and enduring, so we expect them to be found.  Eyes, not so much. So, absence of evidence of bones of rabbits in the Precambrian is indeed evidence that they are absent and that evolution occurred.  Congratulations, DeNews, for this convenient reminder that YEC is BS. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,20:29    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Oct. 01 2011,17:02) Post title exposes misunderstanding by DeNews:   Quote Where Are the Neutral Genomes with these Mutations? What the hell is a neutral genome?  Mutations are neutral, ie one genome has the same fitness as another. DeNews gets off the hook for this one. PaV is the one spouting off about 'neutral genomes' (which, in response to my query, he denies using that term) or what he 'clarifies' as 'neutral versions of the genome.' Are there such entities? -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,21:13    Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 01 2011,20:29) Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Oct. 01 2011,17:02) Post title exposes misunderstanding by DeNews:   Quote Where Are the Neutral Genomes with these Mutations? What the hell is a neutral genome?  Mutations are neutral, ie one genome has the same fitness as another. DeNews gets off the hook for this one. PaV is the one spouting off about 'neutral genomes' (which, in response to my query, he denies using that term) or what he 'clarifies' as 'neutral versions of the genome.' Are there such entities? Denews is not off the hook because she credulously thinks PaV knows what he is talking about.  A google scholar search for "neutral genome" gives 6 hits with the words in consecutive order, yet none of these where it is a noun.  Then comes the hits for "neutral, genome"... -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,21:25    Stung by the groans elicited by endless repetition of his "I was once an evil atheist" conversion story, Gil resorts to yet another repetition of his "I program LS-Dyna, perhaps the world's most powerful software ever created for the purpose" tic.   Like here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and here... He must have been one hell of a repetitive atheist. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,21:39    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 02 2011,05:25) Stung by the groans elicited by endless repetition of his "I was once an evil atheist" conversion story, Gil resorts to yet another repetition of his "I program LS-Dyna, perhaps the world's most powerful software ever created for the purpose" tic.   <snip> Oh .....so he's playing God?....Wait 'till the Grand Wizard hisself finds out. I hope he still isn't running it on a VAX. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,22:38    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 01 2011,15:54)         Quote Details? We don' need no steenkin details. It's not ID's job to match your pathetic demand for details. Your details stink anyways. Then why not just say that the "Almighty" did it in whatever the way it was done, even if that is consistent with evolution as described by science, and be done with it? After all, if they say that some method or other was impossible, they're directly implying that the "Almighty" couldn't have done it using that method, which contradicts what I thought was their base assumption. Or am I missing something here? Henry  Because that would mean that humans are just another animal, a filthy, stinkin' ape no less, with no Greater Purpose, and that would also mean that the Fall never happened, and therefore we didn't need to be Saved, and so The Scriptures might not be the Revealed Truth.   Once you start down that slippery slope,  it can only end in one place:  the possibility that the atheists were right all along in that when we die, that's it, which can't possibly be the Truth because He is Risen.  So all that other sciency stuff must be wrong.  Simple as that.  QED.  End of story. Besides, everyone knows that Darwinism leads the innocent to Atheism and materialism, which is far, far worse than Islam, Naziism, and Communism combined, and so must be stopped at all costs. -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,22:47    Quote He must have been one hell of a repetitive atheist. In other words, it was on a daily basis? Henry

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2011,22:50    Quote (sledgehammer @ Oct. 01 2011,21:38) Besides, everyone knows that Darwinism leads the innocent to Atheism and materialism, which is far, far worse than Islam, Naziism, and Communism combined, and so must be stopped at all costs. At least it didn't lead to dancing.

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2011,09:02    kairosfocus, typist: Quote Functionally specific, complex information and associated information [FSCO/I]  — especially, digitally coded FSCI [dFSCI] — are seen as two of the strongest signs of design as cause. For instance, when you see this post, you do not wonder or debate the odds of different letters being strung by chance [e.g. e in English is typically about 1/8 of the text], you intuitively immediately know that this is best explained as the work of an intelligent, purposeful agent acting towards a goal and based on his knowledge of the language, codes and topic in question. And, analytically, we can substantiate that intuition. When I see "FSCI [dFSCI]" I think of a monkey trying to type Shakespeare.  And I would be right. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2011,09:07    Quote (paragwinn @ Oct. 01 2011,20:29) Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Oct. 01 2011,17:02) Post title exposes misunderstanding by DeNews:   Quote Where Are the Neutral Genomes with these Mutations? What the hell is a neutral genome?  Mutations are neutral, ie one genome has the same fitness as another. DeNews gets off the hook for this one. PaV is the one spouting off about 'neutral genomes' (which, in response to my query, he denies using that term) or what he 'clarifies' as 'neutral versions of the genome.' Are there such entities? paragwin, I now see what you meant, that PaV is the author and not DeNews.  It would be interesting to know who writes the titles.  Don't see how I missed that - of course the author never shows on the blurb. Thinking on it, surely DeNews would have asked what a neutral genome was if she had seen that title.   -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

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