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fnxtr

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Posted: May 24 2022,22:08

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Just browsing occasionally... your sig reminded me that I once told a friend that my cosmology is based on The Misanthropic Principle, i.e., the universe is fine-tuned to piss me off.

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Posted: May 26 2022,08:02

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Just browsing occasionally... your sig reminded me that I once told a friend that my cosmology is based on The Misanthropic Principle, i.e., the universe is fine-tuned to piss me off.

Oh yeah humor, remember that?
Well here's the UK's apparent comedian's comedian to prove you don't need to know much about zoology, biology, geology, geography, marine biology, crypto-zoology, evolutionary theory, evolutionary biology, meteorology, luminolgy, history, herparolgy, paleontology or archeology.....watch for the ponce line.

Stewart Lee

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but he is inclusive
Les Misérables

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Wesley R. Elsberry

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Posted: Nov. 28 2022,12:15

I put together a blog post based on a conversation Diane and I were in earlier in the year.

Climate Change: Responding to ‘No One Knows If It Is Us’

The main thing I want to point out here is that there was an Exxon internal research study on climate change. In 1982, the Exxon engineers and geoscientists wrote up an internal report. A few years back, that internal report was leaked. Putting this in context, the Exxon 1982 internal report was done seven years prior to the IPCC being formed, and sixteen years earlier than Michael Mann's 'hockey stick' paper was published.

There are a couple of notable figures from that report.

Figure 3 shows the projections from the Exxon 1982 internal report for two models each for CO2 concentration and temperature change.

In late 2019, I got Figure 3 and decided to put 2019 actual values on the graph. I did this by importing the original in CorelDraw and overlaying gird lines and hand-placing the values.

There's about 3% error in the 37-year forecast horizon on both CO2 concentration and temperature change. That's not bad for the sort of mathematical climate model that Exxon (and Exxon-Mobil) has spent millions in PR saying can't possibly be accurate.

Here's another graph.

Figure 9 from the 1982 Exxon internal report shows a band of normal temperature variation, but it also shows the upward temperature deviation band that would be expected from continued anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions under their models. There is discussion of two delays that would happen: the delay until people were able to reliably distinguish the upward temperature deviation from background noise, and the delay from that point until effective regulation was put in place that would alter (and lower) greenhouse gas emissions. The Exxon engineers thought that the detection of the upward temperature deviation would likely happen around the year 2000, or eighteen years from the date of their internal report. As mentioned above, Michael Mann's 'hockey stick' paper doing just that was published in 1998, indicating that climate effects were slightly greater than the Exxon engineers had predicted.

It's taken me a while to get around to it, but I did manage to estimate Exxon internal model values based on their graph using an online plot digitizer service. I pulled CO2 and temperature change actuals from NOAA, so I have a couple of graphs generated based on those.

Overall, I think the Exxon engineers did a heck of a job back in 1982. Of course, they did that job in the service of evil, but there is no denying that they worked up the numbers well, and have predicted with chilling accuracy the future path we still are on.

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Henry J

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Posted: Nov. 28 2022,15:15

Somebody needs to figure out how to make fusion self sustaining.
(Well, that or invent something better. )

Henry J

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Posted: Mar. 26 2023,15:19

Bog, watch yer langwitch!

Henry J

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Posted: May 09 2023,07:49

NYET!

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Posted: May 15 2023,05:28

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Somebody needs to figure out how to make fusion self sustaining.
(Well, that or invent something better. )

Actually that's called the sun. We won't run out of Silicon (as PV panels) or Lithium (battery storage) before we convert enough photons into stored electrons for 24/7/365 electrical power world wide deprecating the eon already spent trying to solve the confined fusion problem. It's a no brainer. The fossil fuel industry is talking up stored??? CO2 stripped from hydrogen as a green alternative. Adjust your stocks they are dead meat.

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