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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,13:32

Man you guys are silly.

Nobody has noticed yet that Ut is clearly FL? The pseudo-neutral, innocently disingenuous way he words his arguments are what made me suspicious at first, but the pedo-smile emoticons are what put the final nail in the coffin.

*SITS BACK AND EATS POPCORN*

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,13:43

Quote (RDK @ Feb. 04 2010,13:32)

Man you guys are silly.

Nobody has noticed yet that Ut is clearly FL? The pseudo-neutral, innocently disingenuous way he words his arguments are what made me suspicious at first, but the pedo-smile emoticons are what put the final nail in the coffin.

*SITS BACK AND EATS POPCORN*

What is FL?

Utunumsint

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,13:54

Quote (RDK @ Feb. 04 2010,13:32)

Man you guys are silly.

Nobody has noticed yet that Ut is clearly FL? The pseudo-neutral, innocently disingenuous way he words his arguments are what made me suspicious at first, but the pedo-smile emoticons are what put the final nail in the coffin.

*SITS BACK AND EATS POPCORN*

What is FL?

I applogize if my I use emoticons too much. What is a pedo-smile?

Look, I'm a raging Roman Catholic, but I have a liberal education. Plus, I'm Canadian. As far as I can tell, Canada is fairly free of the political motivations behind ID.

If you can stomach it, you can find tones of my posts here.

http://forums.catholic.com/

I many have crossed posts a few times with Rossum. But usually I avoid evolution threads altogether.

My motivation in coming here was because I was invited to a showing of Expelled by some other religious friends of mine. Around five years ago, I was very much interested in ID literature. I read Demski, Behe, Meyer, Johnson. I even wrote and got published article for it in a small conservative catholic magazine.

That said, I had some friends with biology degrees who always went red faced whenever they heard these types of arguments. And the magazine got so many angry letters from conservative catholic scientists that I figured I must be missing something. I even asked a guy at my local museum of nature why he didn't have books by Behe or Demski. I waved the museum security guard over to have us kicked out.

Anyway, fastforward to now. I haven't done much reading on it since then (I got married, had three kids, had a job). I started reading Behe's latest book after getting the invite for Expelled. From the online reviews, I figured it would be a very one sided presentation. So the day before going to see Expelled, I started this thread.

No hidden agenda. I have the philosophical and theological background not to be threatened by Darwinian accounts for evolution.

Cheers,
Ut

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,14:01

Here is my thread on the papacy and eastern orthodoxy.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=422425

Cheers,
Ut

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,14:16

Ut:

Have a lovely time at UD (should you choose to go there). We'll be watching with great interest. Keep an eye on the peanut gallery for observations and encouragement.

And when they torch-'n'-pitchfork you out, do come back to join us here. It's not unlike the public passageway through Bedlam from which people could poke the inmates with sticks.

PS: While you're there, you could give them a bit of the Catholic view on evolution. An (ahem) acquaintance of mine goes all Tridentine on them every now and again, which has caused no small discomfort to the very Reformed management.

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,14:32

Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 04 2010,14:16)

Ut:

Have a lovely time at UD (should you choose to go there). We'll be watching with great interest. Keep an eye on the peanut gallery for observations and encouragement.

And when they torch-'n'-pitchfork you out, do come back to join us here. It's not unlike the public passageway through Bedlam from which people could poke the inmates with sticks.

PS: While you're there, you could give them a bit of the Catholic view on evolution. An (ahem) acquaintance of mine goes all Tridentine on them every now and again, which has caused no small discomfort to the very Reformed management.

Gatta love those reformers. We have a lot of converts from them. Some of them get all loopy, like Sungenis, and his newest crackpot theory on geocentrism.

Cheers,
Ut

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,15:23

I'm not used to their format at all. I haven't a clue where to post....

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,16:16

Quote (Utunumsint @ Feb. 04 2010,15:23)

I'm not used to their format at all. I haven't a clue where to post....

UT - You just have to register, then find a thread ~~where your comments will be appreciated.~~ where you can comment, making sure you adhere to the UD/ID party line, so you don't get banninated.

You might take a look at an O'Leary post*, and mention that you are also a Canuck and Catholic**, as she likes to rant on about being both.

* If you can translate her ususal word salad into some sort of meaning.

** But longs for the good old days prior to Vatican II, when the mass was in Latin, and all Protestants, Jews and Muslims were going to burn in eternal hell-fire.

ps: FL is an old troll poster that refused to learn anything, and just kept recycling old arguments. A ~~bit~~ very frustrating!

Good luck at UD! Remember: Don't dis the Dr. Dr., or let Gordon Mullins know that you know his name, and don't ask Denyse where her Pullitzer is.

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Posted: Feb. 04 2010,17:05

There are so many rules for posting at UD!!

1. Take your Stupid Pills every morning. If you miss a dose, don't worry, take two the next morning.

2. Never disagree with Joseph. He's already right. Simply post, "I took your advice, Joseph, and read those books and now I know what you mean." That's it. You'll be a hero.

3. If the posters at UD seem to be uneducated morons, go to Step 1 and take 3 pills.

4. If at any time you begin to think that ID is a scam perpetrated by intellectually dishonest dickwads, go to Step 1, take all the pills and order two more bottles.

Don't worry, Ut, you'll be fine "discussing" "intelligent design" with the "experts" over at Dembski's house. And, please, while you're there don't embarrass us by drinking out of the toilet. That's REALLY how RB got banninated.

Srsly. I heard that from Densye her own self.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,12:07

I guess they didn't like my post. It was deleted off a topic in the Biological Evolution section.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,12:24

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I can't figure out how to start threads on these sites. I see you've been busy on the telic web site.

You can't, you can just respond to the posts. And over at UD you'll find that the moment you say something one of the moderators does not like you and your comments will be airbrushed from history.

Just don't say anything sensible. You'll be alright.

Quote (Utunumsint @ Feb. 05 2010,12:07)

I guess they didn't like my post. It was deleted off a topic in the Biological Evolution section.

Did you try to say something sensible? Did you forget to take your pills? If you saved the comment, you can post it here.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,12:31

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Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Feb. 04 2010,09:33)

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I can't figure out how to start threads on these sites. I see you've been busy on the telic web site.

You can't, you can just respond to the posts. And over at UD you'll find that the moment you say something one of the moderators does not like you and your comments will be airbrushed from history.

Just don't say anything sensible. You'll be alright.

Quote (Utunumsint @ Feb. 05 2010,12:07)

I guess they didn't like my post. It was deleted off a topic in the Biological Evolution section.

Did you try to say something sensible? Did you forget to take your pills? If you saved the comment, you can post it here.

It was just a link to this thread, asking for some counter arguments. I even added a pedo-smile.

Cheers,
Ut

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,12:31

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Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 05 2010,12:24)

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Quote (Utunumsint @ Feb. 04 2010,09:24)

I can't figure out how to start threads on these sites. I see you've been busy on the telic web site.

You can't, you can just respond to the posts. And over at UD you'll find that the moment you say something one of the moderators does not like you and your comments will be airbrushed from history.

Just don't say anything sensible. You'll be alright.

Quote (Utunumsint @ Feb. 05 2010,12:07)

I guess they didn't like my post. It was deleted off a topic in the Biological Evolution section.

Did you try to say something sensible? Did you forget to take your pills? If you saved the comment, you can post it here.

It was just a link to this thread, asking for some counter arguments. I even added a pedo-smile.

Cheers,
Ut

Are there no IDer at all who post here?

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,12:46

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It was just a link to this thread, asking for some counter arguments. I even added a pedo-smile.

Cheers,
Ut

Linking here is asking for instant bannination!!! :) (Plus eternal hell-fire and damnation!)

UD / ID does not allow for the voicing of dissention... plus, as they see it, "facts have a well-known liberal bias".

You have to toe the party line at UD. You might be able to get them into a discussion of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, but never, never, never discuss whether or not there are any angels. Expecially because Dr. Dr. Dembski has gone on record to say that he believes in angels.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,12:59

Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 05 2010,12:46)

Quote (Utunumsint @ Feb. 05 2010,12:31)

It was just a link to this thread, asking for some counter arguments. I even added a pedo-smile.

Cheers,
Ut

Linking here is asking for instant bannination!!! :) (Plus eternal hell-fire and damnation!)

UD / ID does not allow for the voicing of dissention... plus, as they see it, "facts have a well-known liberal bias".

You have to toe the party line at UD. You might be able to get them into a discussion of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, but never, never, never discuss whether or not there are any angels. Expecially because Dr. Dr. Dembski has gone on record to say that he believes in angels.

What's the point in posting then.

The only other place I can think of is catholic.com, but they've banned all evolution/atheism threads for being to contentious.

Its probably just a big waste of time anyway.

Its been fun.

Cheers,
Ut

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,13:00

Quote (Utunumsint @ Feb. 05 2010,12:31)

Are there no IDer at all who post here?

No, and if Clive finds out that you post here, he will also ban you at UD.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,14:20

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I guess they didn't like my post. It was deleted off a topic in the Biological Evolution section.

Obviously didn't follow your Doc's advice. Order more pills.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,15:44

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I guess they didn't like my post. It was deleted off a topic in the Biological Evolution section.

Obviously didn't follow your Doc's advice. Order more pills.

Too late, Doc. He gave The Site Which Shall Not Be Named a mention. The mark of the beast is upon him, and he's been cast forever into the darkness. Nothing, not even afdave-strength stupid pills, can change his fate.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,16:26

I should have suggested an Anti-Delusional supplement for Ut.

He actually thought (get this, I am not kidding), he actually thought he was going to have a discussion about "intelligent design" at a discussion group dedicated to "intelligent design." "Serving the intelligent design community" I believe they say.

I guess "How to Serve Man" was copyrighted.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2010,17:32

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I should have suggested an Anti-Delusional supplement for Ut.

He actually thought (get this, I am not kidding), he actually thought he was going to have a discussion about "intelligent design" at a discussion group dedicated to "intelligent design." "Serving the intelligent design community" I believe they say.

I guess "How to Serve Man" was copyrighted.

In retrospect, we should have been clearer about UD first-post protocol.

Unacceptable: I've been talking to some scientists, who think Behe's book is fatally flawed for the following reasons (...) Would you like to present a case for the defence?

Acceptable: Dr Dr Dembski, you rule! Jesus loves you!

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Posted: Feb. 06 2010,03:34

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 05 2010,16:26)

I should have suggested an Anti-Delusional supplement for Ut.

He actually thought (get this, I am not kidding), he actually thought he was going to have a discussion about "intelligent design" at a discussion group dedicated to "intelligent design." "Serving the intelligent design community" I believe they say.

I guess "How to Serve Man" was copyrighted.

UD is all about preaching to the choir. The purpose is bolstering faith by making science and scientists look foolish. There's a famous precedent for being "vehemently suspect of heresy", that's why Voice Coil had to be banned. It is indeed all about serving the ID community.

I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2010,10:57

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I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

In a word: cannibalism

Let's do it!

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Posted: Feb. 06 2010,11:59

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 06 2010,10:57)

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I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

In a word: cannibalism

Let's do it!

That sounds like a great idea! I don't think I canhandle eating any more bottles of those pills but I was wondering if the pills are avaiable in a IV drip formulation for a continuous infusion of the stupid?

How about a time-release implantable form?

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Posted: Feb. 06 2010,12:14

Quote (Acipenser @ Feb. 06 2010,09:59)

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 06 2010,10:57)

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I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

In a word: cannibalism

Let's do it!

That sounds like a great idea! I don't think I canhandle eating any more bottles of those pills but I was wondering if the pills are avaiable in a IV drip formulation for a continuous infusion of the stupid?

How about a time-release implantable form?

Maybe a skin patch. Or a huffer.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2010,12:28

Or just go with what a great philosopher once said: "stupid is as stupid does".

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Posted: Feb. 06 2010,13:03

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 06 2010,10:57)

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I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

In a word: cannibalism

Let's do it!

Right, I should perhaps have said 'opposition from the opposition'

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Posted: Feb. 07 2010,11:55

Quote (Quack @ Feb. 06 2010,03:34)

Quote (Doc Bill @ Feb. 05 2010,16:26)

I should have suggested an Anti-Delusional supplement for Ut.

He actually thought (get this, I am not kidding), he actually thought he was going to have a discussion about "intelligent design" at a discussion group dedicated to "intelligent design." "Serving the intelligent design community" I believe they say.

I guess "How to Serve Man" was copyrighted.

UD is all about preaching to the choir. The purpose is bolstering faith by making science and scientists look foolish. There's a famous precedent for being "vehemently suspect of heresy", that's why Voice Coil had to be banned. It is indeed all about serving the ID community.

I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

Hey Quack,

Thanks for the link a few pages back. It was interesting because they admit, along with IDer that regular evolution can't explain certain things, but unlike IDers, the article proposes an alternative solution. The science and theory behind it is beyond me, and I have no idea how it could be testable. Its certainly mysterious.

Cheers,
Ut

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Posted: Feb. 08 2010,03:10

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The science and theory behind it is beyond me, and I have no idea how it could be testable. Its certainly mysterious.

The theory is a veritable jigsaw puzzle and it takes time and effort to get enough pieces in place to begin to fathom the grandeur of the Theory of Evolution! I wish you the best of luck. All you need is out there, you supply the rest with your curiosity and a dedication to truth.

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Alan Fox

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Posted: Feb. 08 2010,04:55

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I'd like to see an experiment with leaving them all to themselves for a while, without any opposition.

I've often advocated this in the past. In fact the pilot experiment at TT went well for a while until the pull of the tard proved too powerful for some of our weaker brethren!

*glares at Zachriel*

Come on, guys, let's do it. There'll be a time soon when there won't be any UD and ID worth experimenting with!

Failing that, why is not more use made of Sidewiki? Why not repost a few of the choicer PoTW's there, for example?

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Posted: Feb. 08 2010,05:10

Hmm. Two questions occur:

1. It is suspected that at least some of the UD squad lurk here. Does that mean we should take a vow of silence here too? Maybe we could just confine the discussion to important stuff like Danii Minogue's pregnancy (my daughter told me about it, honest. What copy of Hello? Oh that one. Must have picked it up on the bus, never seen it before)

2. Wouldn't the Silence of the Socks (good film title, that) on UD be a giveaway? Can we the world of science afford the loss of these valuable counter-intelligence* assets?

* In the sense that, whatever intelligence may be, commenters on UD are definitely counter to it.

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