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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,08:49   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 05 2012,02:28)
Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,18:11)
I can't listen to this. Luskin apparently prepared a best-of quotemines to read that prove how all those evolutionists secretely (= in their published articles and books) admit that there's no evidence whatsoever for evolution.

BarryA sounds like an overexcited weasel. Fitting.

Oh no. I give up. Now they're talking about this *explosion* of information known as Cambrian *explosion* where fully formed animals popped into existence...

My bleeding ears. Old earth, young earth, that is kind of a Christian in-house discussion; as long as the earth was created and didn't create itself, ID is right...

Thank god, another break. I'm a really peaceful person but, man, I'd enjoy to take both their heads and bang them together. Repeatedly.

Btw, did any of you knew about this book? It's supposed to come out in a few weeks.



I shudder at how they'll have massacred science in that one.

Thankfully, I have to get up in the morning and can't listen to the second hour...

have you got a direct link?

No but here is their missing link



That tome should make the pulp religion best seller list

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,09:19   

Quote (JLT @ June 04 2012,18:11)
I can't listen to this. Luskin apparently prepared a best-of quotemines to read that prove how all those evolutionists secretely (= in their published articles and books) admit that there's no evidence whatsoever for evolution.

BarryA sounds like an overexcited weasel. Fitting.

Oh no. I give up. Now they're talking about this *explosion* of information known as Cambrian *explosion* where fully formed animals popped into existence...

My bleeding ears. Old earth, young earth, that is kind of a Christian in-house discussion; as long as the earth was created and didn't create itself, ID is right...

Thank god, another break. I'm a really peaceful person but, man, I'd enjoy to take both their heads and bang them together. Repeatedly.

Btw, did any of you knew about this book? It's supposed to come out in a few weeks.



I shudder at how they'll have massacred science in that one.

Thankfully, I have to get up in the morning and can't listen to the second hour...

I wonder how they'll fix the Old Earth-Young Earth gap?  Maybe just leave out any dating entirely?  Or use a system of ("100,000 yrs-6,000 yrs is the accepted timespan" kind of thing)?

More importantly, will the designer by named?

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,11:52   

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Philosopher: Ad hominem arguments okay – if against ID theorists

In “Anti-ID Philosopher: “Ad Hominem” Arguments “Justified” When Attacking Intelligent Design Proponents” (Evolution News & Views, June 4, 2012), Casey Luskin reports,
 
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   In 2008, philosopher Jeffrey Koperski published a fine article in the religion and science journal Zygon in which he argued that ad hominem attacks are a “bad way” to critique proponents of intelligent design. Why? Largely, he wrote, because they entail a logical fallacy — the genetic fallacy. That is, they address the origin of an argument rather than the argument itself. Now, Christopher A. Pynes, an associate professor of philosophy at Western Illinois University, has written a reply to Koperski. According to Pynes, contrary to the normal rules of respectable scholarly discourse, it is permissible to engage in ad hominem attacks — provided that you are attacking proponents of intelligent design.

   The reason for this exception to the standard rule against logical fallacies, Pynes argues, is on account of the motives of ID’s proponents.

Luskin offers considerable evidence of the atheist sympathies of the current evolution establishment, 78% of whom are pure materialist atheists.

In any event: Ad hominem argument is always a bad way of making a decision
because the relevance of information may be unrelated to how you come to hear it.

DO'L

You can't make this up.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,12:00   

Quote (JLT @ June 05 2012,11:52)
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Philosopher: Ad hominem arguments okay – if against ID theorists

In “Anti-ID Philosopher: “Ad Hominem” Arguments “Justified” When Attacking Intelligent Design Proponents” (Evolution News & Views, June 4, 2012), Casey Luskin reports,
   
Quote
   In 2008, philosopher Jeffrey Koperski published a fine article in the religion and science journal Zygon in which he argued that ad hominem attacks are a “bad way” to critique proponents of intelligent design. Why? Largely, he wrote, because they entail a logical fallacy — the genetic fallacy. That is, they address the origin of an argument rather than the argument itself. Now, Christopher A. Pynes, an associate professor of philosophy at Western Illinois University, has written a reply to Koperski. According to Pynes, contrary to the normal rules of respectable scholarly discourse, it is permissible to engage in ad hominem attacks — provided that you are attacking proponents of intelligent design.

   The reason for this exception to the standard rule against logical fallacies, Pynes argues, is on account of the motives of ID’s proponents.

Luskin offers considerable evidence of the atheist sympathies of the current evolution establishment, 78% of whom are pure materialist atheists.

In any event: Ad hominem argument is always a bad way of making a decision
because the relevance of information may be unrelated to how you come to hear it.

DO'L

You can't make this up.

It's not ad hominem if the person delivering the information really is an idiot.

eta: I'd also like to see a citation for that article.  It's that I don't trust a bunch of liars... ok, it is because I don't trust a bunch of liars.

Edited by OgreMkV on June 05 2012,12:02

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,13:15   

Quote (OgreMkV @ June 05 2012,12:00)
Quote (JLT @ June 05 2012,11:52)
 
Quote
Philosopher: Ad hominem arguments okay – if against ID theorists

In “Anti-ID Philosopher: “Ad Hominem” Arguments “Justified” When Attacking Intelligent Design Proponents” (Evolution News & Views, June 4, 2012), Casey Luskin reports,
   
Quote
   In 2008, philosopher Jeffrey Koperski published a fine article in the religion and science journal Zygon in which he argued that ad hominem attacks are a “bad way” to critique proponents of intelligent design. Why? Largely, he wrote, because they entail a logical fallacy — the genetic fallacy. That is, they address the origin of an argument rather than the argument itself. Now, Christopher A. Pynes, an associate professor of philosophy at Western Illinois University, has written a reply to Koperski. According to Pynes, contrary to the normal rules of respectable scholarly discourse, it is permissible to engage in ad hominem attacks — provided that you are attacking proponents of intelligent design.

   The reason for this exception to the standard rule against logical fallacies, Pynes argues, is on account of the motives of ID’s proponents.

Luskin offers considerable evidence of the atheist sympathies of the current evolution establishment, 78% of whom are pure materialist atheists.

In any event: Ad hominem argument is always a bad way of making a decision
because the relevance of information may be unrelated to how you come to hear it.

DO'L

You can't make this up.

It's not ad hominem if the person delivering the information really is an idiot.

eta: I'd also like to see a citation for that article.  It's that I don't trust a bunch of liars... ok, it is because I don't trust a bunch of liars.

You can find the paper here. It does require a subscription.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,15:07   

Sal mines another quote

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,21:19   

Quote (JLT @ June 05 2012,11:52)
 
Quote
Philosopher: Ad hominem arguments okay – if against ID theorists

In “Anti-ID Philosopher: “Ad Hominem” Arguments “Justified” When Attacking Intelligent Design Proponents” (Evolution News & Views, June 4, 2012), Casey Luskin reports,
   
Quote
   In 2008, philosopher Jeffrey Koperski published a fine article in the religion and science journal Zygon in which he argued that ad hominem attacks are a “bad way” to critique proponents of intelligent design. Why? Largely, he wrote, because they entail a logical fallacy — the genetic fallacy. That is, they address the origin of an argument rather than the argument itself. Now, Christopher A. Pynes, an associate professor of philosophy at Western Illinois University, has written a reply to Koperski. According to Pynes, contrary to the normal rules of respectable scholarly discourse, it is permissible to engage in ad hominem attacks — provided that you are attacking proponents of intelligent design.

   The reason for this exception to the standard rule against logical fallacies, Pynes argues, is on account of the motives of ID’s proponents.

Luskin offers considerable evidence of the atheist sympathies of the current evolution establishment, 78% of whom are pure materialist atheists.

In any event: Ad hominem argument is always a bad way of making a decision
because the relevance of information may be unrelated to how you come to hear it.

DO'L

You can't make this up.

Ad hominem is always a bad way of making a decision, which doesn't stop the IDiots from lying about scientists in order to disparage their evidence and arguments.

I wonder if one might consider the source if it's Dennis Markuze (at least in the past), or should we be considering the weight of his "arguments"?

IOW, once it's obvious that IDiots or others are unable or unwilling to actually discuss evidence and arguments, but simply insist on repeating clearly exploded BS (by any reasonable standard--obviously not by their "standard"), what is left to do other than to discuss what is wrong with their stupid, ignorant, and/or dishonest minds?

Can we ever aspire to the heights of fallacy that IDiocy attains?  Including, but hardly limited to, the ad hominem attacks of Weikart and of Expelled?  Can any of us project inadequacy onto others as well as Jonathan Wells and William Dembski?  Can Denyse even write about "Darwinists" without including an attempt to smear "Darwinists"?

Or, has anything other than a pseudoscience or other fraud ever resorted to ad hom attacks as much as ID has?

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,21:45   

Ad hominem attacks are so bad, somebody must be forcing IDC advocates to use them.

Right?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,02:33   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 05 2012,19:45)
Ad hominem attacks are so bad, somebody must be forcing IDC advocates to use them.

Right?

Right.......




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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,03:37   

Quote (NormOlsen @ June 04 2012,14:46)
   
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,14:21)
Niwrad proves, PROVES, that OOL couldn't happen.

Don't tell these guys...
NASA AstroBiology Conference presentation on OOL

Good lord, the verbiage, it just never ends.  I think Niwrad's been drinking the KF cool aid; all he needed was a few ugly flow charts and it would have been a full blown GEM.  And then Barry quips "Geat post!!" like he actually read the damn thing.

From the text:
 
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First off, some principles and definitions.

Principle 01: Nothing comes from nothing or “ex nihilo nihil”.

Principle 02: “Of causality”,

Definition 01: “Symbol”,

Definition 02: “Symbolic processing”

Definition 03: “Language”,

Definition 04: “Instruction”

Definition 05: Turing Machine ™

Definition 06: “Physical computer”

Principle 03: Formalism > Physicality (F > P)

Definition 07: “Primordial soup”

Definition 08: “Constructor”

Definition 09: “GRC” (genome / ribosome / genomic code)

Thesis 01: From a primordial soup of disorganized atoms as input a cybernetic constructor as output cannot spontaneously arise.

Obiection 01: “The constructor formalism in output doesn’t exist.

Answer 01: This objection is a negation of the F > P principle.

Obiection 02: “Given enough time a computer implementing a random generator of characters can

Answer 02: Such static pseudo-symbols are not a functioning formalism.

Obiection 03: “The genetic code in a GRC constructor

Answer 03: This process in no way

As Don Johnson says

Obiection 04: “The natural laws can calculate

Answer 04: No. This doesn’t suffice

Obiection 05: “In your apple analogy C&N could

Answer 05: I state that C&N doesn’t

Thesis 01 has an important and direct application in the biological field about abiogenesis for the following:

Corollary 01: Given that any biological cell contains GRCs,

References

[1] Michael Behe, “Darwin’s Black Box”, 2003.
[2] David Abel, “The First Gene”, 2011.

My favorite:

[7] Michael Polany, http://www.iscid.org/encyclo....Polanyi

A question for .rD .rD niwraD:  What did the first living thing look  like?  What did it do?

If you can't answer that, then you suffer from Dembski's Syndrome: an inability to make your reasoning conform to the world because you have no idea of what the world is like.

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,04:40   

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2012,11:37)
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 04 2012,14:46)
   
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,14:21)
Niwrad proves, PROVES, that OOL couldn't happen.

Don't tell these guys...
NASA AstroBiology Conference presentation on OOL

Good lord, the verbiage, it just never ends.  I think Niwrad's been drinking the KF cool aid; all he needed was a few ugly flow charts and it would have been a full blown GEM.  And then Barry quips "Geat post!!" like he actually read the damn thing.

From the text:
 
Quote
First off, some principles and definitions.

Principle 01: Nothing comes from nothing or “ex nihilo nihil”.

Principle 02: “Of causality”,

Definition 01: “Symbol”,

Definition 02: “Symbolic processing”

Definition 03: “Language”,

Definition 04: “Instruction”

Definition 05: Turing Machine ™

Definition 06: “Physical computer”

Principle 03: Formalism > Physicality (F > P)

Definition 07: “Primordial soup”

Definition 08: “Constructor”

Definition 09: “GRC” (genome / ribosome / genomic code)

Thesis 01: From a primordial soup of disorganized atoms as input a cybernetic constructor as output cannot spontaneously arise.

Obiection 01: “The constructor formalism in output doesn’t exist.

Answer 01: This objection is a negation of the F > P principle.

Obiection 02: “Given enough time a computer implementing a random generator of characters can

Answer 02: Such static pseudo-symbols are not a functioning formalism.

Obiection 03: “The genetic code in a GRC constructor

Answer 03: This process in no way

As Don Johnson says

Obiection 04: “The natural laws can calculate

Answer 04: No. This doesn’t suffice

Obiection 05: “In your apple analogy C&N could

Answer 05: I state that C&N doesn’t

Thesis 01 has an important and direct application in the biological field about abiogenesis for the following:

Corollary 01: Given that any biological cell contains GRCs,

References

[1] Michael Behe, “Darwin’s Black Box”, 2003.
[2] David Abel, “The First Gene”, 2011.

My favorite:

[7] Michael Polany, http://www.iscid.org/encyclo....Polanyi

A question for .rD .rD niwraD:  What did the first living thing look  like?  What did it do?

If you can't answer that, then you suffer from Dembski's Syndrome: an inability to make your reasoning conform to the world because you have no idea of what the world is like.

Strangely no chapters about Dr. Th.D Dembski's areas of special interest

Farts, why judges who get on the cover of Time mag deserve them

Street theatre, sinking to your pathetic levels of detail.

The Baylor cafe, banninations from the eating halls of academia.

Authors advances,how to get one from a prominent Catholic apologetics outfit and not deliver.

Betting, how to welsh on a Single Malt.

Court witness, how to ensure you are not called (ask for hundreds of dollars per day or provide the plaintiffs with a large target).

Modern medicine, try faith healing instead.

Peer reviews, go straight to pulp fiction.

The Infinite Zero Energy Wave, the Gospel of John re-explained.

The New Logos of Apologetics, post modernism meets binary logic. Yes or no? No answer is the correct answer.

Sunday Schools, for fun and profit.

Is all that stuff in another DI publication?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,09:42   

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2012,03:37)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 04 2012,14:46)
     
Quote (dvunkannon @ June 04 2012,14:21)
Niwrad proves, PROVES, that OOL couldn't happen.

Don't tell these guys...
NASA AstroBiology Conference presentation on OOL

Good lord, the verbiage, it just never ends.  I think Niwrad's been drinking the KF cool aid; all he needed was a few ugly flow charts and it would have been a full blown GEM.  And then Barry quips "Geat post!!" like he actually read the damn thing.

From the text:
   
Quote
First off, some principles and definitions.

Principle 01: Nothing comes from nothing or “ex nihilo nihil”.

Principle 02: “Of causality”,

Definition 01: “Symbol”,

Definition 02: “Symbolic processing”

Definition 03: “Language”,

Definition 04: “Instruction”

Definition 05: Turing Machine ™

Definition 06: “Physical computer”

Principle 03: Formalism > Physicality (F > P)

Definition 07: “Primordial soup”

Definition 08: “Constructor”

Definition 09: “GRC” (genome / ribosome / genomic code)

Thesis 01: From a primordial soup of disorganized atoms as input a cybernetic constructor as output cannot spontaneously arise.

Obiection 01: “The constructor formalism in output doesn’t exist.

Answer 01: This objection is a negation of the F > P principle.

Obiection 02: “Given enough time a computer implementing a random generator of characters can

Answer 02: Such static pseudo-symbols are not a functioning formalism.

Obiection 03: “The genetic code in a GRC constructor

Answer 03: This process in no way

As Don Johnson says

Obiection 04: “The natural laws can calculate

Answer 04: No. This doesn’t suffice

Obiection 05: “In your apple analogy C&N could

Answer 05: I state that C&N doesn’t

Thesis 01 has an important and direct application in the biological field about abiogenesis for the following:

Corollary 01: Given that any biological cell contains GRCs,

References

[1] Michael Behe, “Darwin’s Black Box”, 2003.
[2] David Abel, “The First Gene”, 2011.

My favorite:

[7] Michael Polany, http://www.iscid.org/encyclo....Polanyi

A question for .rD .rD niwraD:  What did the first living thing look  like?  What did it do?

If you can't answer that, then you suffer from Dembski's Syndrome: an inability to make your reasoning conform to the world because you have no idea of what the world is like.

Sensing that a competitor has entered into his ethereal domain, KF counters with a stunning  clean-up calculation:

 
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N: Well done. I did a clean-up calc. To get to a step-increment of 500 bits worth of explicit or implicit functionally specific info by chance on the gamut of the solar system — on chemical reaction rates — is comparable to having a 1,000 light year thick cubical haystack (that’s the thickness of the galactic disk) centred on our sun and superposed on the galaxy, then picking a straw sized sample. ...


And so the master reclaims his ascendancy and the upstart niwrad is left, jaw-agape, at the intellectual brilliance known only as "GEM of TKI".  Bravo KF, bravo!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,10:00   

Quote (NormOlsen @ June 05 2012,15:07)
Sal mines another quote

For those interested in the original, which I am sure Sal has read and omitted by accident:

http://web.archive.org/web....ttp

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(Permalink) Posted: June 06 2012,10:01   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ June 06 2012,10:00)
Quote (NormOlsen @ June 05 2012,15:07)
Sal mines another quote

For those interested in the original, which I am sure Sal has read and omitted by accident:

http://web.archive.org/web............ttp

By the way, this made me fall off the wagon (UD-free since Ash Wednesday), getting back on now, the indirect IDiocy suffices.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,12:15   

Renaissance Man



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,12:23   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 07 2012,12:15)
Renaissance Man


Bwaaahaaaahaaa*

* Casey forgives you for that!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,12:32   

Quote (afarensis @ June 07 2012,12:23)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 07 2012,12:15)
Renaissance Man


Bwaaahaaaahaaa*

* Casey forgives you for that!

But Hagrid might not - defacing The Monster Book of Monsters like that. Have you no respect?

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,14:42   

UD is barely clearing a dozen comments a day.

Unfortunately, a few of these are from the reality-based community.

Can we try to extract them?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,15:06   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 07 2012,10:15)
Renaissance Man

(snip)

Another winner from the tablet of K98. :-)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,15:10   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 07 2012,12:15)
Renaissance Man


The chimp looks like it's thinking.. "There is no way I am related to that IDiotic dufus."  And, "How does he get those caterpillars to hold still over his eyes like that?"

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,16:41   



Just noticed this now: Is the graphic on this cover supposed to suggest that Gawd-feerin Christians don't come from Africa like them monkeys, nossir?

Words fail me.

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,16:49   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 07 2012,18:15)
Renaissance Man


Bravo, K98.

I'm glad you didn't do poor Casey in the style of Arcimboldo.



Casey is most definitely not a fruit. Almost certainly.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 07 2012,18:24   

Quote (J-Dog @ June 07 2012,15:10)
Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 07 2012,12:15)
Renaissance Man


The chimp looks like it's thinking.. "There is no way I am related to that IDiotic dufus."  And, "How does he get those caterpillars to hold still over his eyes like that?"

Is that a chimp?  It looks a bit unusual, so I thought it might be an Australopithecus or something similar.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,01:16   

Quote (Badger3k @ June 07 2012,18:24)
Is that a chimp?  It looks a bit unusual, so I thought it might be an Australopithecus or something similar.

I think so, too. The image is stolen from the internet; I'll try and find the source and edit it in.

ETA: Original image called - afarensis!!!:



Larger image of head:



Info about artist Michael Hagelberg:

https://asunews.asu.edu/2009051....hartist

Edited by Kattarina98 on June 08 2012,01:42

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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,02:00   

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Does the decline of US power mean more nations are dumping Darwin?

Just wondering. A couple days ago, we were hearing about South Koreans wanting to get basically wrong Darwin trivia out of textbooks. Now, we hear that in Turkey,

     
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Scholars who espouse creationist ideas are becoming more assertive in challenging Darwinism.

   The recent push by those who see a divine role in human evolution has alarmed Darwin’s adherents. In May, hundreds of academics and students angrily protested against what was billed as Turkey’s first academic conference on creationist ideas, held at Istanbul’s Marmara University.

   - Dorian Jones, “Turkey: Creationists Want to Airbrush Darwin Out of Evolutionary Picture”, June 7, 2012, EurasiaNet


Some of this stuff is hard to call.

But clearly, none of these people seem especially worried about a US-backed international Darwin lobby stomping them down, and who knows where that will lead.

The parallel universe of DO'L.
Clearly, Turkish creationists just recently realised that the US wouldn't invade Turkey on behalf of the international Darwin lobby to keep them from having conferences. They've been a downtrodden minority up until now.

'Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals':

Source

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,08:00   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 08 2012,01:16)
Quote (Badger3k @ June 07 2012,18:24)
Is that a chimp?  It looks a bit unusual, so I thought it might be an Australopithecus or something similar.

I think so, too. The image is stolen from the internet; I'll try and find the source and edit it in.

ETA: Original image called - afarensis!!!:



Larger image of head:



Info about artist Michael Hagelberg:

https://asunews.asu.edu/2009051....hartist

Yes , the handsome one was modeled after me... :p

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PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,08:06   

Why does it have less shoulder hair than me?  That's what I want to know!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,08:21   

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UD is barely clearing a dozen comments a day.

Unfortunately, a few of these are from the reality-based community.

Can we try to extract them?

We recovering tardicts definitely need to hold an intervention for Jared.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,08:49   

Quote (Patrick @ June 08 2012,08:21)
Quote (REC @ June 07 2012,15:42)
UD is barely clearing a dozen comments a day.

Unfortunately, a few of these are from the reality-based community.

Can we try to extract them?

We recovering tardicts definitely need to hold an intervention for Jared.

Definitely. I keep suspecting that all the time she/he is grinning diabolically.

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Kattarina98



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(Permalink) Posted: June 08 2012,08:53   

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Yes , the handsome one was modeled after me... :p

Thought so, Lucy.

Seriously, I love the expression on her face, the artist did a great job.

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