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Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,09:47    Does anyone know where to find a copy of the original Farting Judge Jones animation done by Dembski?  I was trying to describe it to a young colleague of mine who wasn't familiar with the events of Kitzmiller/Dover but words just can't do it justice. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,12:05    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 30 2016,15:47) Does anyone know where to find a copy of the original Farting Judge Jones animation done by Dembski?  I was trying to describe it to a young colleague of mine who wasn't familiar with the events of Kitzmiller/Dover but words just can't do it justice. The only one I can find is the deflatulated version, courtesy of the Wayback Machine. Because it was a Flash animation the original was, I suspect, unlikely to have been saved to someone's HD in the same way a Youtube vid would these days. It's fun remembering one of Dembski's comments after he realised he'd fucked up....   Quote I see the JJSchLaw as an instrument of grace to bring Dawkins and others to their senses.... In Dembski's eyes the farty animation was actually God's doing.

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,12:31    Mapou goes off the deep end: Quote I would rather be banned from UD forever than apologize to a bunch of cretinous dirt worshippers. They owe me an apology for preaching their religion in our schools, which is against the Constitution. They owe me an apology for bullying non-atheists, not only in the education system but in the mainstream media and the government. They can all kiss my asteroid. I may apologise to them but only AFTER they apologize to me. Until then, they are just tree-dwelling primitives, cretinous members of the Church of the Flying Dirt Monster. Ban away. ahahaha…AHAHAHA…ahahaha… Link

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,13:06    Quote (Jkrebs @ Mar. 30 2016,10:31) Mapou goes off the deep end: Was he ever anywhere else?  He's been top of the "UDers most likely to be carted off to the funny farm" list* for a long time. *It's a long list. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,13:23    Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 30 2016,21:06) Quote (Jkrebs @ Mar. 30 2016,10:31) Mapou goes off the deep end: Was he ever anywhere else?  He's been top of the "UDers most likely to be carted off to the funny farm" list* for a long time. *It's a long list. At this rate there'll be no one left except the speaker in the ceiling and kf. Their dialog will be the most interminable conversation in the whole universe. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,14:21    Quote (Jkrebs @ Mar. 30 2016,13:31) Mapou goes off the deep end:   Quote I would rather be banned from UD forever than apologize to a bunch of cretinous dirt worshippers. They owe me an apology for preaching their religion in our schools, which is against the Constitution. They owe me an apology for bullying non-atheists, not only in the education system but in the mainstream media and the government. They can all kiss my asteroid. I may apologise to them but only AFTER they apologize to me. Until then, they are just tree-dwelling primitives, cretinous members of the Church of the Flying Dirt Monster. Ban away. ahahaha…AHAHAHA…ahahaha… Link He actually wrote "ahahaha…AHAHAHA…ahahaha…".  Damn that's creepy.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,14:51    Quote 104 Mapou March 30, 2016 at 10:58 am I would rather be banned from UD forever than apologize to a bunch of cretinous dirt worshippers. They owe me an apology for preaching their religion in our schools, which is against the Constitution. They owe me an apology for bullying non-atheists, not only in the education system but in the mainstream media and the government. They can all kiss my asteroid. I may apologise to them but only AFTER they apologize to me. Until then, they are just tree-dwelling primitives, cretinous members of the Church of the Flying Dirt Monster. Ban away. ahahaha…AHAHAHA…ahahaha… Quote 105 News March 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm Mapou has been banned. linky Edited by stevestory on Mar. 30 2016,15:52

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,15:25    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....53uZWbk -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,16:59    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,14:51) Quote 104 Mapou March 30, 2016 at 10:58 am I would rather be banned from UD forever than apologize to a bunch of cretinous dirt worshippers. They owe me an apology for preaching their religion in our schools, which is against the Constitution. They owe me an apology for bullying non-atheists, not only in the education system but in the mainstream media and the government. They can all kiss my asteroid. I may apologise to them but only AFTER they apologize to me. Until then, they are just tree-dwelling primitives, cretinous members of the Church of the Flying Dirt Monster. Ban away. ahahaha…AHAHAHA…ahahaha…   Quote 105 News March 30, 2016 at 1:47 pm Mapou has been banned. linky First Joe/Virgil, now Mapou. There is a god.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,18:48    "Dirt-Worshipping Ebola Boys" doesn't have the same ring to it.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,19:02    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,18:48) "Dirt-Worshipping Ebola Boys" doesn't have the same ring to it. :p We owe Ellasim and Aleta a debt of gratitude for doing what others have not been able to do. Shut Mapou up. "We are not worthy! We are not worthy!

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,19:22    oh i'm sure he'll turn up. I just checked The Skeptical Zone, but nothing. (I know very little about TSZ except that it's been frequented by UDers in the past. I spent about two minutes there, saw Waaaaay too much Mung for one lifetime, and skedaddled)

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,20:06    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,19:22) oh i'm sure he'll turn up. I just checked The Skeptical Zone, but nothing. (I know very little about TSZ except that it's been frequented by UDers in the past. I spent about two minutes there, saw Waaaaay too much Mung for one lifetime, and skedaddled) Mapou (as Louis Savain) has taken up residence at Cornhole Hunter's place.  He's responding to most every pro-evolution post with his usual vile insults and mentally challenged answers.  So far Cornhole has not deleted any of Mapou's obscenities and is actually encouraging him. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2016,20:48    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 30 2016,20:06) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,19:22) oh i'm sure he'll turn up. I just checked The Skeptical Zone, but nothing. (I know very little about TSZ except that it's been frequented by UDers in the past. I spent about two minutes there, saw Waaaaay too much Mung for one lifetime, and skedaddled) Mapou (as Louis Savain) has taken up residence at Cornhole Hunter's place.  He's responding to most every pro-evolution post with his usual vile insults and mentally challenged answers.  So far Cornhole has not deleted any of Mapou's obscenities and is actually encouraging him. His new meme "Dirt-worshipping Darwinists" has even made it into the Amazon book discussions. He's spreading his manure all over the place. Aught to be a bumper crop of creationist trolls this spring. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2016,15:59    5 pm and still no stupid ID April Fool's Joke. 'course, it is only 3 pm Mountain Time.

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2016,16:05    I was hoping for one about Dembski's deathbed conversion to Darwinism.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2016,16:11    Quote (NoName @ April 01 2016,14:05) I was hoping for one about Dembski's deathbed conversion to Darwinism. I'm hoping God will confess to writing Genesis on April 1, 4004 BCE. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2016,17:16    Well, if He made the confession that long ago, there wouldn't have been any record made of it.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2016,21:47    Quote (Henry J @ April 01 2016,17:16) Well, if He made the confession that long ago, there wouldn't have been any record made of it.  :p The record is just being suppressed. I hear that's the McGuffin of the new Tomb Raider movie. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2016,22:42    Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 30 2016,20:48)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 30 2016,20:06)   Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,19:22) oh i'm sure he'll turn up. I just checked The Skeptical Zone, but nothing. (I know very little about TSZ except that it's been frequented by UDers in the past. I spent about two minutes there, saw Waaaaay too much Mung for one lifetime, and skedaddled) Mapou (as Louis Savain) has taken up residence at Cornhole Hunter's place.  He's responding to most every pro-evolution post with his usual vile insults and mentally challenged answers.  So far Cornhole has not deleted any of Mapou's obscenities and is actually encouraging him. His new meme "Dirt-worshipping Darwinists" has even made it into the Amazon book discussions. He's spreading his manure all over the place. Aught to be a bumper crop of creationist trolls this spring. Cornhole Hunter has now formally announced he's keeping Mapou / Savain as his new board pet.  Mapou is free to use any obscenities he wants since he's doing work for Jeebus.   Quote Corny:  "Darwin's God moderator: I have put up with this long enough. William Spearshake has been questioning my judgment for too long. At the end of the day, this is my blog. Although Louis uses a little less tact than I would use, I believe that he is fundamentally correct. If William and Ghostrider do not like this, they are welcome to go to other blogs. I will not ban them, but they are both on warning. linky At least one YEC has already left due to Mapou's constant Tourette's.   Corny is racing UD to the bottom of the sewer.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 02 2016,09:38    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ April 02 2016,06:42) Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 30 2016,20:48)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Mar. 30 2016,20:06)     Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 30 2016,19:22) oh i'm sure he'll turn up. I just checked The Skeptical Zone, but nothing. (I know very little about TSZ except that it's been frequented by UDers in the past. I spent about two minutes there, saw Waaaaay too much Mung for one lifetime, and skedaddled) Mapou (as Louis Savain) has taken up residence at Cornhole Hunter's place.  He's responding to most every pro-evolution post with his usual vile insults and mentally challenged answers.  So far Cornhole has not deleted any of Mapou's obscenities and is actually encouraging him. His new meme "Dirt-worshipping Darwinists" has even made it into the Amazon book discussions. He's spreading his manure all over the place. Aught to be a bumper crop of creationist trolls this spring. Cornhole Hunter has now formally announced he's keeping Mapou / Savain as his new board pet.  Mapou is free to use any obscenities he wants since he's doing work for Jeebus.     Quote Corny:  "Darwin's God moderator: I have put up with this long enough. William Spearshake has been questioning my judgment for too long. At the end of the day, this is my blog. Although Louis uses a little less tact than I would use, I believe that he is fundamentally correct. If William and Ghostrider do not like this, they are welcome to go to other blogs. I will not ban them, but they are both on warning. linky At least one YEC has already left due to Mapou's constant Tourette's.   Corny is racing UD to the bottom of the sewer.   :D It's a love match made in the Garden of Eden when's  Joe Gallien going to show up? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,10:15    Quote 1244 MungApril 2, 2016 at 4:30 pm Aleta: Quote Therefore there is no largest integer Therefore there are an infinite number of integers. How do you get from “therefore there is no largest integer” to “therefore there are an infinite number of integers.” I’m not sure that the statement that there is an infinite number of ‘x’ is even coherent. Shouldn’t we say that ‘x’ is without number, that ‘x’ cannot be numbered? Mung will not be winning the Fields Medal anytime soon. Edited by stevestory on April 03 2016,11:15

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,10:24    Quote 1262 ellazimmApril 3, 2016 at 8:37 am KF #1260 Quote That would imply ending the endless. It would also include a transfinite member of the set of counting sets. Which of course would not be a finite value. No, that is not the case. You cannot count to the smallest infinite cardinal number but this is not a problem. Quote This instantly shows that there can be no infinite set of successively larger finites. Also, incorrect. If you were correct then there would be a largest finite number which there clearly is not. You don’t ‘traverse’ or ‘span the endlessness’. Counting up from any finite integer never gets you to the end and it never gets you to the transfinite numbers. We then extend our number concept to include w as representing succession to endlessness. Sigh. Why not use standard mathematical vocabulary. I take it you’re thinking that w is the cardinality of the positive integers, generally known as aleph-0 or aleph-nought or aleph-null. That’s the smallest infinite cardinal number. Which is followed by aleph-1, aleph-2, etc. All of the cardinal numbers (i.e. 1, 2, 3 . . . and aleph-0, aleph-1, etc) form a well-ordered set which means if you give me any two of them I can tell you which one is larger. But it doesn’t mean you can ‘traverse’ them all by counting. That is not correct. Yet you keep addressing that issue over and over and over again. Your ‘concern’ is not a concern. It’s been addressed over 100 years ago. And the mathematics dealing with that is now mainstream and non-controversial. And it has nothing to do with the existence (or not) of an infinite past or future. That’s a physics question (in my opinion). hahahahaha

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,12:02    Quote (stevestory @ April 03 2016,18:24) Quote 1262 ellazimmApril 3, 2016 at 8:37 am KF #1260   Quote That would imply ending the endless. It would also include a transfinite member of the set of counting sets. Which of course would not be a finite value. No, that is not the case. You cannot count to the smallest infinite cardinal number but this is not a problem.   Quote This instantly shows that there can be no infinite set of successively larger finites. Also, incorrect. If you were correct then there would be a largest finite number which there clearly is not. You don’t ‘traverse’ or ‘span the endlessness’. Counting up from any finite integer never gets you to the end and it never gets you to the transfinite numbers. We then extend our number concept to include w as representing succession to endlessness. Sigh. Why not use standard mathematical vocabulary. I take it you’re thinking that w is the cardinality of the positive integers, generally known as aleph-0 or aleph-nought or aleph-null. That’s the smallest infinite cardinal number. Which is followed by aleph-1, aleph-2, etc. All of the cardinal numbers (i.e. 1, 2, 3 . . . and aleph-0, aleph-1, etc) form a well-ordered set which means if you give me any two of them I can tell you which one is larger. But it doesn’t mean you can ‘traverse’ them all by counting. That is not correct. Yet you keep addressing that issue over and over and over again. Your ‘concern’ is not a concern. It’s been addressed over 100 years ago. And the mathematics dealing with that is now mainstream and non-controversial. And it has nothing to do with the existence (or not) of an infinite past or future. That’s a physics question (in my opinion). hahahahaha Indeed but Stepen Hawking writes that time has no infinite past or future. Link. Evolution denier Gordon Mullings of Montserrat piss weak at Math AND Physics. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,12:27    Quote How do you get from “therefore there is no largest integer” to “therefore there are an infinite number of integers.” At the risk of stating the obvious, if there is no largest one, then any finite set of them is missing at least one. But also, {0,1,2,...} has the same number of elements as {1,2,3,...}, and having a proper subset with the same number of elements as itself is the definition of infinite set.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,13:03    Quote Indeed but Stepen Hawking writes that time has no infinite past or future. Interesting. So Hawking thinks the density of stuff in the universe is enough to make it eventually contract, which per relativity also means it's finite. But I didn't see any mention of dark energy in that essay.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,13:21    Quote 1271 kairosfocus April 3, 2016 at 11:29 am Aleta, the set cannot be spanned in succession of +1 steps or the like. There is therefore a distinction between what we can reach and what is implied by traversing endlessness. Which clearly means unlimited succession within the set that collects counting numbers that cannot be actually completed. The far zone being the zone of that endlessness beyond any relevant arbitrarily large finite. And were there a counting set that succeeds to endlessness, it would not be finite. The solution is, we may succeed from 0 to an arbitrarily large but finite value, but in so doing any such value k faces onward endlessness that cannot be completed. We can only point across the endlessness and draw conclusions in that light. KF Quote 1272 Aleta April 3, 2016 at 12:00 pm You keep saying that, kf, but you don’t say what conclusions can be drawn. What about the prime number proof? It does not span anything in +1 steps. How do you account for that? It demonstrates that there is an infinite subset of the natural numbers (the primes) that are all finite numbers – no traversing needed. How do you explain that? Evolution, global warming, cantor...Is there anything these idiots DO understand

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,14:47    Quote 1273 kairosfocus April 3, 2016 at 1:33 pm Aleta, please write down for us a prime that is finite and an infinite number of +1 steps removed from 0. KF Still unclear on the concept.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,15:08    k.e..   Quote Indeed but Stepen Hawking writes that time has no infinite past or future. Link. Evolution denier Gordon Mullings of Montserrat piss weak at Math AND Physics As Mapou pointed out many times before his tragic banning, Hawking, Einstein and all those other stuffed shirts don't have UD quality minds. None of them was even invited to become a Fellow of the Discovery Institute.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2016,16:47    Quote 1274 AletaApril 3, 2016 at 1:59 pm That misses the point, kf. All natural numbers are some number of +1 steps from zero: All natural numbers are finite. The proof I showed does does not claim that some prime is infinitely far from 0 (infinitely far from 0 is a meaningless phrase) – it shows that there are an infinite number of primes. Those are two different things. Furthermore, the proof doesn’t depend on knowing what the exact primes are. It just proves there are an infinite number of them. Surely you understand that. It seems like the statements that you made in 1273 are either irrelevant to the proof (knowing what the primes are) or incorrect about what the proof shows, for it shows that there are an infinite number of primes. I find it telling that you use the phrase “infinite number of +1 steps removed from 0”. No number is an infinite number of steps from zero. The only infinite number relevant to this discussion is w, and it doesn’t make sense at all to say the distance between a natural number N and zero is w. w doesn’t measure a distance. next comment is great too, but too much formatting.

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