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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,16:15   
Bonus Bonus Barry:

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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.


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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,16:54   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,14:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

Barry:
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Yes, as I said, on materialist premises that is exactly correct. Today most of us do not value killing Jews, homosexuals and disabled people. And because we don’t value those practices we call them “evil.” But just as the price of gold rises and falls depending on our subjective assessment of its value, if tomorrow we decide that killing Jews, homosexuals and disabled people is valuable, then those practices will be considered “good.”

Religious people in the past (and in the present, although it's no longer ubiquitous) have advocated killing Jews, homosexuals and disabled people, and have participated in such killings with gay abandon.  Who's reading God's transcendent moral code correctly, and how do we know?

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,16:54   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

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Barry: “He really is a disgusting little maggot.”

What a moron Barry is. He has difficulty logically disputing a well presented argument, he resorts to name calling. Is there any wonder that he has a D- rating by the BBB, largely due his abusive behaviour towards clients?

I think it was well worth wasting a sock for
  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:06   
Might want to update that D rating:


 
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According to information in BBB files, this company is no longer in business. If you have an unresolved dispute with this company you may wish to seek legal advice.
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http://www.bbb.org/denver.....0138018

In other Barry News, his style doesn't work so well in the real world:

 
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The news that Twin Peaks Charter Academy in Longmont, Colorado refused to allow valedictorian Evan Young to give a graduation speech in which he outed that he was gay has sparked a serious back-and-forth between the school’s board-attorney and Colorado congressman Jared Polis. Polis wants to see an external investigation of the school’s decision and overall inclusiveness, and the school’s administrators want Polis to leave them alone while they contract for their own investigation.

The debate, already pointed, got outright personal when the school’s attorney Barry Arrington stepped in to accuse Polis of a secret desire to send those involved to a “Maoist-style thought reform camp.” Polis has now gone ahead and added to his request for independent investigation the request that Twin Peaks cut Arrington loose.


http://www.coloradoindependent.com/153706.....amp-jab





Edited by stevestory on Aug. 13 2015,16:15
  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:11   
Quote (REC @ Aug. 12 2015,17:06)
Might want to update that D rating:


 
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According to information in BBB files, this company is no longer in business. If you have an unresolved dispute with this company you may wish to seek legal advice.
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http://www.bbb.org/denver.....0138018

In other Barry News, his style doesn't work so well in the real world:

 
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The news that Twin Peaks Charter Academy in Longmont, Colorado refused to allow valedictorian Evan Young to give a graduation speech in which he outed that he was gay has sparked a serious back-and-forth between the school’s board-attorney and Colorado congressman Jared Polis. Polis wants to see an external investigation of the school’s decision and overall inclusiveness, and the school’s administrators want Polis to leave them alone while they contract for their own investigation.

The debate, already pointed, got outright personal when the school’s attorney Barry Arrington stepped in to accuse Polis of a secret desire to send those involved to a “Maoist-style thought reform camp.” Polis has now gone ahead and added to his request for independent investigation the request that Twin Peaks cut Arrington loose.


http://www.coloradoindependent.com/153706.....amp-jab

PotW!





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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:16   
Quote (REC @ Aug. 12 2015,17:06)
Might want to update that D rating:


 
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According to information in BBB files, this company is no longer in business. If you have an unresolved dispute with this company you may wish to seek legal advice.
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http://www.bbb.org/denver.....0138018

In other Barry News, his style doesn't work so well in the real world:

 
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The news that Twin Peaks Charter Academy in Longmont, Colorado refused to allow valedictorian Evan Young to give a graduation speech in which he outed that he was gay has sparked a serious back-and-forth between the school’s board-attorney and Colorado congressman Jared Polis. Polis wants to see an external investigation of the school’s decision and overall inclusiveness, and the school’s administrators want Polis to leave them alone while they contract for their own investigation.

The debate, already pointed, got outright personal when the school’s attorney Barry Arrington stepped in to accuse Polis of a secret desire to send those involved to a “Maoist-style thought reform camp.” Polis has now gone ahead and added to his request for independent investigation the request that Twin Peaks cut Arrington loose.


http://www.coloradoindependent.com/153706.....amp-jab

Wrt the BBB rating, he changed his address. Because he is not registered with the BBB (big surprise there), if you change your address, your ranking gets whipped out.
  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:21   
Quote (REC @ Aug. 12 2015,15:06)
In other Barry News, his style doesn't work so well in the real world:

   
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The news that Twin Peaks Charter Academy in Longmont, Colorado refused to allow valedictorian Evan Young to give a graduation speech in which he outed that he was gay has sparked a serious back-and-forth between the school’s board-attorney and Colorado congressman Jared Polis. Polis wants to see an external investigation of the school’s decision and overall inclusiveness, and the school’s administrators want Polis to leave them alone while they contract for their own investigation.

The debate, already pointed, got outright personal when the school’s attorney Barry Arrington stepped in to accuse Polis of a secret desire to send those involved to a “Maoist-style thought reform camp.” Polis has now gone ahead and added to his request for independent investigation the request that Twin Peaks cut Arrington loose.


http://www.coloradoindependent.com/153706.....amp-jab

There's an update a couple of days later (both stories are early June):
 
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Twin Peaks charter school bucks Polis, retains anti-gay lawyer
Charter school that banned gay valedictorian from delivering his grad speech hires an external investigator but retains controversial lawyer, despite Congressman Jared Polis’ requests.

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For his part, Arrington has written publicly about the necessity of heterosexuality as a function of intelligent design. He also represented defendants, including Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, charged with using a gay couple’s engagement photo for a political attack ad without their knowledge or permission.
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“Mr. Arrington has a long history of working for anti-LGBT organizations and using his blog to condemn same-sex relationships. Because Twin Peaks Charter Academy is keeping him on as counsel, they seem to have no problem with his public views concerning LGBT people,” said Dave Montez, director of LGBTQ-rights group One Colorado. “Every school in Colorado should be safe for all students and we are concerned that having an attorney on staff with clear ties to anti-LGBT organizations is preventing the school from being welcoming of all students.”

Transcendent moral code FTW.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:27   
+That other anti-science Woo Rag, HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jason-s....54.html

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:33   
American Taliban:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/153733....-lawyer

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...Beyond LGBTQ issues, Arrington also has a legal history of advocating for morality-based limits on free speech. Back in 1994, he was one of the primary advocates of a state amendment that would “allow every local government in the state to define what’s obscene.” The anti-obscenity amendment was backed by the Christian conservatives at Focus on the Family and some of the wealthiest people in Denver, but it ultimately failed with two-thirds of Coloradans voting against it.


Barry Arrington would seek to limit your speech both at his blog and in real life through legislation.

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eigenstate



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:48   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

 
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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

I, like you, I'm sure, run across a lot of "Barry" types on the Net.

The epithets and denigration are so.... banal, though. His "dislikeability" really is function of his just being... boring. I can think of other much more nasty characters, who at least had the good grace to be somewhat original or creative.

DaveScot was, for example, at least mildly interesting, and at least could provide a little surprise in his language/responses.

I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.  It works for Barry, though, I guess. Being a shallow bore is a good prophylactic against critics, yeah? Who wants to invest their free time engaging that more than on an occasional drive-by basis?
  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:52   
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I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.  It works for Barry, though, I guess. Being a shallow bore is a good prophylactic against critics, yeah? Who wants to invest their free time engaging that more than on an occasional drive-by basis?


Don't underestimate the banhammer.
  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,17:57   
Quote (eigenstate @ Aug. 12 2015,17:48)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

 
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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

I, like you, I'm sure, run across a lot of "Barry" types on the Net.

The epithets and denigration are so.... banal, though. His "dislikeability" really is function of his just being... boring. I can think of other much more nasty characters, who at least had the good grace to be somewhat original or creative.

DaveScot was, for example, at least mildly interesting, and at least could provide a little surprise in his language/responses.

I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.  It works for Barry, though, I guess. Being a shallow bore is a good prophylactic against critics, yeah? Who wants to invest their free time engaging that more than on an occasional drive-by basis?

The closest comparison I have is ...  toothache.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,19:07   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,17:57)
Quote (eigenstate @ Aug. 12 2015,17:48)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

   
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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

I, like you, I'm sure, run across a lot of "Barry" types on the Net.

The epithets and denigration are so.... banal, though. His "dislikeability" really is function of his just being... boring. I can think of other much more nasty characters, who at least had the good grace to be somewhat original or creative.

DaveScot was, for example, at least mildly interesting, and at least could provide a little surprise in his language/responses.

I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.  It works for Barry, though, I guess. Being a shallow bore is a good prophylactic against critics, yeah? Who wants to invest their free time engaging that more than on an occasional drive-by basis?

The closest comparison I have is ...  toothache.

I was thinking about an ache about mid way between my teeth and my feet.
  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,19:17   
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 12 2015,16:54)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

 
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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

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Barry: “He really is a disgusting little maggot.”

What a moron Barry is. He has difficulty logically disputing a well presented argument, he resorts to name calling. Is there any wonder that he has a D- rating by the BBB, largely due his abusive behaviour towards clients?

I think it was well worth wasting a sock for

I was shocked. This comment lasted for almost three hours. Unfortunately, the following comment was deleted in less than ten minutes. Followed shortly by a signature ban inaction.

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Hi Barry. Given that my response to the following comment was deleted:

Barry: "<I> He really is a disgusting little maggot."</I>

Am I correct in assuming that it is acceptable for you to be an abusive turd, but that if anyone else uses similar language towards you that this is unacceptable I only ask because I like to know how level (or not) the playing field is.
  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2015,23:16   
Quote (eigenstate @ Aug. 13 2015,01:48)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,16:15)
Bonus Bonus Barry:

   
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...Eigenstate’s summary of the materialist worldview is spot on. That his nihilism is also itself self-evidently evil should give him pause. It does not. He is proud of it. Believing there was no ultimately difference between Hitler and Mother Teresa makes him feel all grown up and sophisticated. Not like us childish Christians, who naively believe in things like justice. He really is a disgusting little maggot. But he’s our disgusting little maggot, and I am glad we have him to serve as a bad example from time to time. Thanks E.

I, like you, I'm sure, run across a lot of "Barry" types on the Net.

The epithets and denigration are so.... banal, though. His "dislikeability" really is function of his just being... boring. I can think of other much more nasty characters, who at least had the good grace to be somewhat original or creative.

DaveScot was, for example, at least mildly interesting, and at least could provide a little surprise in his language/responses.

I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.  It works for Barry, though, I guess. Being a shallow bore is a good prophylactic against critics, yeah? Who wants to invest their free time engaging that more than on an occasional drive-by basis?

THANK YOU HOMO GIRLYMAN!!

I MUST SAY I MYSELF HAVE ALWAYS LOVED A LITTLE SURPRISE.

EXCEPT LAST WEEK I BUMPED INTO THAT DUMB AS A MUD BRICK FENCE  'SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT' GIRL AND SHE HAD A LITTLE KID. SHE WAS WAVING MADLY AND STARTED WALKING ACROSS THE STREET BUT I SAW HER FIRST AND MANAGED TO JUMP INTO MY DODGE RAM AND SCOOT BEFORE SHE GOT TO ME.

SEMPER FI.
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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,03:22   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2015,17:33)
American Taliban:

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/153733.....-lawyer

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...Beyond LGBTQ issues, Arrington also has a legal history of advocating for morality-based limits on free speech. Back in 1994, he was one of the primary advocates of a state amendment that would “allow every local government in the state to define what’s obscene.” The anti-obscenity amendment was backed by the Christian conservatives at Focus on the Family and some of the wealthiest people in Denver, but it ultimately failed with two-thirds of Coloradans voting against it.


Barry Arrington would seek to limit your speech both at his blog and in real life through legislation.

Dos anyone else think that the picture used to illustrate that story looks like Dr Dr Dembski?

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,06:31   
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 12 2015,14:12)
 
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Why there is no Meaning if Materialism is True
August 12, 2015 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

[snip]

(Visited 133 times, 134 visits today)


Say what now?

it's been visited 133 times total, 134 of which were today?

linky

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,09:55   
Barry is on a roll. Check out his latest attack on materialists.

Why "Materialist Ethics" is an Oxymoron

There is an oxymoron somewhere, but it is not "materialist Ethics"
  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,14:36   
Bitter Barry's beatdown continues. I love it so!

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,15:12   
(from links above)

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Arrington has represented Polis on behalf of the congressman’s charter school network The New America School, and Polis said he was sorry to recommend that Arrington be fired.


“… I have had respect for your legal abilities and it pains me to make that recommendation,” Polis wrote. “But in this instance it appears as if some political agenda that I don’t understand might be clouding the quality of your advice to the Twin Peaks board.”


That political agenda may in fact be Arrington’s. In addition to representing various charter schools, Arrington spends time theorizing about intelligent design and its connection to the law.  He’s fought on behalf of a Colorado student who felt denigrated by a biology professor who challenged her doubts about evolution.
In his musings about intelligent design, Arrington has also blogged about his thoughts on homosexuality: “A man’s body is designed to be complementary with a woman’s body and vice versa. All of the confusion about whether same-sex relations are licit would be swept away in an instant if everyone acknowledged this obvious truth.”
Arrington did not return request for comment about his work on intelligent design.
The full text of the back and forth between Arrington and Polis is below:


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,15:27   
Quote (eigenstate @ Aug. 12 2015,18:48)
DaveScot was, for example, at least mildly interesting, and at least could provide a little surprise in his language/responses.

I regularly get the sense that I'm taking a kind of "Creationist Turing Test" when engaging Barry. A badly coded one.

DaveScot was much smarter than Barry.
   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,15:32   
Why “Materialist Ethics” is an Oxymoron

read it, for this amazing Barry-tastic line:

"It really is the case that anyone who disagrees with me is just lying or insane."

Or has an IQ that breaks triple-digits. Whichever.
   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,15:37   
too lengthy to excerpt and format. Just go read Learned Hand tear barry down to the rhetorical nuts, bolts, and washers.
   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,15:42   
can't resist this bit:

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As others have pointed out, when you rephrase someone else’s argument, you do so uncharitably and in an effort to advance your own argument rather than to understand. I do not assume that there must be total agreement for OMT to be true. I assume there must be some significant, unquantifiable level of agreement. Or, preferably, a reliable and accessible arbiter or metric. I don’t see it. I see sharp disagreements among well-meaning people as to the most basic moral questions. Is it wrong to commit abortion? What if the life of the mother is at stake? What if the fetus is non-viable? What if it’s 99% likely to be non-viable? What if it’s 10% likely to be non-viable? It’s trivially easy to show that objectivists hold to different moral standards, and perhaps more importantly that they each think their own standard is objectively true.

So it’s not just that objectivists can’t reliably extract true beliefs from OMT, it’s that we can never know when they’re calling their subjective beliefs OMT. Error going both ways.

I think there is general agreement on basic ideas like “life is good,” and “freedom is good.” I think that general agreement is more easily explained by the fact that we’re social beings living in communities than transcendent standards.

Therefore, my goal is not only to resist it, but also to make the people who spout it look foolish and stupid (which is usually easy enough) in an effort to stop and perhaps to even reverse the spread of this pernicious and hazardous error.

On the other hand, you aren’t any more civil when the discussion is about anything else. Is it that there’s a good moral reason for being uncivil, or are you looking for a standard that justifies what you want to do, which is to verbally abuse people you don’t like?


i don't care what universe you're from, that's gotta hurt
   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,16:48   
I like this roy fellow.



Arrington vs Myers and Marcotte

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 13 2015,17:59
   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,17:11   
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 13 2015,14:48)
Arrington vs Myers and Marcotte

Torley, not Arrington.

Easy mistake to make.   They both have the remarkable skill of always knowing what people really mean, regardless of what they say they mean.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,17:34   
mibad.
   
Learned Hand



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2015,22:36   
Coincidentally I had a client contact me today to ask for support in an ongoing negotiation. One of their questions was whether they should accuse the other side of negotiating in bad faith right away, or wait a bit. I gave the advice any good negotiator or communicator would: don't accuse them at all. First of all, it's probably not true. Second, what's the point? It might make you feel good, but does it help you at all? Will they come around more quickly, or be more reluctant to agree? Will it discourage future bad behavior, or encourage it?

I was thinking about that at the same time Stephen was writing that materialists are just lying objectivists, and a while after Barry went on his tirade about lying maggots spewing idiot garbage, etc. It's not just crass, it's shortsighted and foolish. Ironically the objectivists are the ones lighting fires because it feels good.
  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2015,03:50   
Quote (Learned Hand @ Aug. 14 2015,15:36)
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I was thinking about that at the same time Stephen was writing that materialists are just lying objectivists, and a while after Barry went on his tirade about lying maggots spewing idiot garbage, etc. It's not just crass, it's shortsighted and foolish. Ironically the objectivists are the ones lighting fires because it feels good.

Barry and StephenB seem to be in some sort of race to the bottom. I find it amusing that ID supporters so often decry simple disagreement as incivillity! while ignoring this sort of rudeness from their own team, but then UD regulars have never been big on recognising irony.

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Quote (Learned Hand @ Aug. 13 2015,23:36)
Coincidentally I had a client contact me today to ask for support in an ongoing negotiation. One of their questions was whether they should accuse the other side of negotiating in bad faith right away, or wait a bit. I gave the advice any good negotiator or communicator would: don't accuse them at all. First of all, it's probably not true. Second, what's the point? It might make you feel good, but does it help you at all? Will they come around more quickly, or be more reluctant to agree? Will it discourage future bad behavior, or encourage it?

I was thinking about that at the same time Stephen was writing that materialists are just lying objectivists, and a while after Barry went on his tirade about lying maggots spewing idiot garbage, etc. It's not just crass, it's shortsighted and foolish. Ironically the objectivists are the ones lighting fires because it feels good.

I grew up in a household with really poor communication. Countless times I had to parse instructions like "Get me the thing off the thing." and daily bickering that traced back to a shitty communicator getting frustrated that nobody understood him and turning shitty communication into mean communication. I became really aware of, and sensitive to, how and why people communicate. And it's 100% clear that Barry's in this to prove how much smarter and penetrating his mind is. All other goals are secondary. It's probably tied into why he became a lawyer in the first place. Excessive self-regard.
   
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