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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,07:55   

And so, Gary, let's talk about how you're going to resolve the problem of requiring a 'motor control system' inherent to each and every system that is going to count as 'intelligent'.

You got to the point of waffling about whether it was required at all levels, going so far as to imply that Hawking could still count as 'intelligent' because the motor control system at a 'lower level' was involved.
But that's now how your diagram presents the requirements for anything to be counted as 'intelligent'.  So what about Hawking?  How is it that he is far more intelligent, and so presumably far more 'intelligent', than, say Vin Diesel or Usain Bolt, yet he has, within rounding error, zero muscle control when compared to these persons?

Your "theory" fails.  Regardless of whether cherry-picked examples that do require muscle control can be found.  A single disconfirming example, and we've got thousands, not just one, refutes your nonsense.  Insofar as your blithering makes sense (and that's not far at all), it is refuted.  The rest, being founded as it is on the error, is not even wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,08:15   

Gary, you've been hawking this model and 'theory' (or variations of it) for nearly a decade now; advertising it as the much-needed scientific breakthrough that the ID community can get behind without worrying about court cases or any of that pesky nonsense.

Please tell us what you or the ID community have learned from your theory/model.

What do we now know about life, the universe and everything that wasn't known prior to your work?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,08:46   

Yeah all that and the lack of his response for his claim his stupid not a theory explained the "Cambrian Explosion" FFFs.

Why can't Gary define intelligence? He can't because it would just be an invitation to present his Church's dogma.
To Gary the word "Intelligence" is conservative religious dog whistle political code for "not by random accident". For IDiots "Intelligent and Intelligence" are not adjective and noun but verbs, the word Intelligent represents the exposed work of God's hand revealed . Intelligence isn't something they understand as a scale on which genius is measured since they all know they barely rate. Allahu Akbar and all that. To them being only a point smarter than their dumbest audience member counts as Genius. Any critic who attempts to disabuse them of that fact faces a torrent of (truly stupid) denial.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,08:55   

Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 15 2015,09:46)
Yeah all that and the lack of his response for his claim his stupid not a theory explained the "Cambrian Explosion" FFFs.

Why can't Gary define intelligence? He can't because it would just be an invitation to present his Church's dogma.
To Gary the word "Intelligence" is conservative religious dog whistle political code for "not by random accident". For IDiots "Intelligent and Intelligence" are not adjective and noun but verbs, the word Intelligent represents the exposed work of God's hand revealed . Intelligence isn't something they understand as a scale on which genius is measured since they all know they barely rate. Allahu Akbar and all that. To them being only a point smarter than their dumbest audience member counts as Genius. Any critic who attempts to disabuse them of that fact faces a torrent of (truly stupid) denial.

I think you're giving him far too much credit.
Gary is so consumed by his own dogma that he most he can manage is to lift the notions of religion as one part of his wide-ranging grasping at straws to bolster his dogma.
It's not explicitly Judeo-Christian at all, at its best its scientism gone more horribly wrong than usual.  
Cargo-cult scientism of the cheapest and lowest sort.

He's an idiot sitting in a puddle of his own drool, proudly proclaiming to have the finest swimming pool on earth.  
He will occasionally drift into conflation of swimming pools with baptismal fonts, but he's never done more than gaze at the worshippers entering the church, overhearing their remarks about baptism.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,10:05   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 15 2015,06:46)
I do not know of anything close to this computer model. I should not be expected to present research papers for others like it. It is from keeping up with what neuroscientists have been discovering.

You said "You will not find a more biologically accurate model showing the basics of what neuroscientists have been discovering..."

This suggests that you've done a comprehensive review of the literature and found your "model" the winner.  Of course, this can't be true because you often complain about your lack of resources and inability to even access the great majority of the relevant literature.  You're a liar, in other words.  If you're making claims about your "model" in comparison to others, you do have an obligation to reference your sources and share them so that others can confirm your conclusion(s).  That's how science works.

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LazloToth



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,10:33   

I'm fascinated by anti-evolutionsists.  It's my version of watching a train wreck.  

My question today is, does anybody know anything about Mike Riddle of Answers in Genesis?  

He repeatedly claims to have a "degree in mathematics and graduate degree in education."  Certainly a firm foundation for criticizing evolution, but my question is, why does he never say where he got his degrees?  What is he hiding?  I've googled him mostly because I'm so fascinated that he refuses to say where his degrees are from.

Does anyone know anything about this guy?  He's written most of the "science" library in one of my local churches.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,11:26   

Quote (LazloToth @ Sep. 15 2015,10:33)
I'm fascinated by anti-evolutionsists.  It's my version of watching a train wreck.  

My question today is, does anybody know anything about Mike Riddle of Answers in Genesis?  

He repeatedly claims to have a "degree in mathematics and graduate degree in education."  Certainly a firm foundation for criticizing evolution, but my question is, why does he never say where he got his degrees?  What is he hiding?  I've googled him mostly because I'm so fascinated that he refuses to say where his degrees are from.

Does anyone know anything about this guy?  He's written most of the "science" library in one of my local churches.

Why not query his Creation Training Initiative?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,15:32   

Quote (LazloToth @ Sep. 15 2015,11:33)
My question today is, does anybody know anything about Mike Riddle of Answers in Genesis?

I know if he works at AiG he's Super Dumb.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2015,19:45   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 14 2015,17:32)
You can start with all the models listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......gorithm

But your program doesn't do any of the major things mentioned there.  

   
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An EA uses mechanisms inspired by biological evolution, such as reproduction, mutation, recombination, and selection.

Yours does none of that.

   
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Candidate solutions to the optimization problem play the role of individuals in a population, and the fitness function determines the quality of the solutions... Evolution of the population then takes place after the repeated application of the above operators.

You don't have candidate solutions compete against each other.  You don't have a fitness function that is used to compare multiple individuals/solutions and which subsequently determines which solutions / individuals get to go on to generate new variations, thereby driving the direction of evolution of the population.

In more detail,
   
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Implementation of biological processes
   Generate the initial population of individuals randomly - first generation
   Evaluate the fitness of each individual in that population
   Repeat on this generation until termination (time limit, sufficient fitness achieved, etc.):
       Select the best-fit individuals for reproduction - parents
       Breed new individuals through crossover and mutation operations to give birth to offspring
       Evaluate the individual fitness of new individuals
       Replace least-fit population with new individuals
 
None of those have any relation to anything you do.

Let's look at Ferreira's paper, which is one of the models that you invited us to examine:
   
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Gene expression programming, a genotype/phenotype genetic algorithm (linear and ramified), is presented here for the first time as a new technique for the creation of computer programs. Gene expression programming uses character linear chromosomes composed of genes structurally organized in a head and a tail. The chromosomes function as a genome and are subjected to modification by means of mutation, transposition, root transposition, gene transposition, gene recombination, and one- and two-point recombination. The chromosomes encode expression trees which are the object of selection. The creation of these separate entities (genome and expression tree) with distinct functions allows the algorithm to perform with high efficiency that greatly surpasses existing adaptive techniques. The suite of problems chosen to illustrate the power and versatility of gene expression programming includes symbolic regression, sequence induction with and with-out constant creation, block stacking, cellular automata rules for the density-classification problem, and two problems of boolean concept learning: the 11-multiplexer and the GP rule problem.

Yours doesn't have any of that.

   
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The most prominent effort is developmental genetic programming (DGP) [4] where binary strings
are used to encode mathematical expressions. The expressions are decoded using a five-bit binary code, called
genetic code. Contrary to its analogous natural genetic code, this “genetic code”, when applied to binary strings, frequently produces invalid expressions (in nature there is no such thing as an invalid protein). Therefore a huge amount of computational resources goes toward editing these illegal structures, which limits this system considerably.

Well, that's certainly not your model.

Let's look at Clune et al.  They talk about a project
   
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However, this project used a simple model of a six-legged insect that had only two degrees of freedom per leg
 Hey, they're modelling insects with all six legs.  Apparently they bothered to ground-truth their model.

   
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As Fig. 3 reports, while both encodings are able to improve over time, HyperNEAT vastly outperforms FT-NEAT in every generation (p<.0001 comparing the fitness of the best organism from each encoding for each generation. This and all future p values come from a non-parametric Wilcoxon rank sum test).
Oh, you don't have any statistical tests and you don't compare your model quantitatively to any other model.

   
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each plotted group is significantly different from every other (last generation p<.0001), except that the fraction of offspring better than both parents for each encoding was statistically indistinguishable (last generation p>.41).

Your model doesn't produce offspring, let alone improved ones, and the only p's in all your writings came during your bathroom breaks.

   
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.... This paper demonstrates that HyperNEAT, a new and promising generative encoding for evolving neural networks, can evolve quadruped gaits without an engineer manually decomposing the problem. Analyses suggest that HyperNEAT is successful because it employs a generative encoding that can more easily reuse phenotypic modules. It is also one of the first neuroevolutionary algorithms that exploits a problem's geometric symmetries, which may aid its performance. We compare HyperNEAT to FT-NEAT, a direct encoding control, and find that HyperNEAT is able to evolve impressive quadruped gaits and vastly outperforms FT-NEAT. Comparative analyses reveal that HyperNEAT individuals are more holistically affected by genetic operators, resulting in better leg coordination. Overall, the results suggest that HyperNEAT is a powerful algorithm for evolving control systems for complex, yet regular, devices, such as robots.

By all means correct me if I am wrong, but you don't seem to have genetic operators or generative encoding.

Short version: those papers don't seem to have anything to do with your model or your coding.

More groundless assertion from Gary - why is this not surprising?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,05:59   

Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 15 2015,19:45)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 14 2015,17:32)
You can start with all the models listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......gorithm

But your program doesn't do any of the major things mentioned there.  

     
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An EA uses mechanisms inspired by biological evolution, such as reproduction, mutation, recombination, and selection.

Yours does none of that.

The full "model" does indeed reproduce.

And the biggest problem for you is that generalizations such as "selection" are like having pull-strings on plastic dolls of humans and other animals that are supposed to be intelligent. After pulling their sting they might say "mommy" or "moo" and occasionally a new plastic doll pops out, but it's scientifically absurd to suggest that such toys explain the origin of intelligence and how living things work.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,06:22   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Sep. 15 2015,10:05)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 15 2015,06:46)
I do not know of anything close to this computer model. I should not be expected to present research papers for others like it. It is from keeping up with what neuroscientists have been discovering.

You said "You will not find a more biologically accurate model showing the basics of what neuroscientists have been discovering..."

This suggests that you've done a comprehensive review of the literature and found your "model" the winner.

If my "review of the literature" was inadequate then you should have been able to show me a cognitive science related modeling method I have not seen before.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,06:45   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 16 2015,05:59)
   
Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 15 2015,19:45)
     
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 14 2015,17:32)
You can start with all the models listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......gorithm

But your program doesn't do any of the major things mentioned there.  

           
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An EA uses mechanisms inspired by biological evolution, such as reproduction, mutation, recombination, and selection.

Yours does none of that.

The full "model" does indeed reproduce.

And the biggest problem for you is that generalizations such as "selection" are like having pull-strings on plastic dolls of humans and other animals that are supposed to be intelligent. After pulling their sting they might say "mommy" or "moo" and occasionally a new plastic doll pops out, but it's scientifically absurd to suggest that such toys explain the origin of intelligence and how living things work.

You cited evolutionary algorithms as being important to understanding your model.  The keys to evolutionary algorythms are reproduction with variation and selection according to a fitness function.  All that I've seen of your stuff has been individuals supposedly "learning", not a population evolving.  Assuming that I missed something, where does the reproduction occur (and which one is your "full model"?), and in what way are your replicants undergoing true reproduction with variation rather than just identical copies?  

Your bizarrely wrong ideas about biological selection (which is extremely well tested and documented) are irrelevant here: by definition, selection is how evolutionary algorithms actually work.  You don't do that: you claim your insects learn as individuals - you don't have your bug evolve as a population.  So why are you citing evolutionary algorithms as relevant to your stuff, other than because you incorrectly think it makes you sound all science-y and knowledgeable?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,06:54   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 16 2015,06:59)
Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 15 2015,19:45)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 14 2015,17:32)
You can start with all the models listed here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......gorithm

But your program doesn't do any of the major things mentioned there.  

     
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An EA uses mechanisms inspired by biological evolution, such as reproduction, mutation, recombination, and selection.

Yours does none of that.

The full "model" does indeed reproduce.

And the biggest problem for you is that generalizations such as "selection" are like having pull-strings on plastic dolls of humans and other animals that are supposed to be intelligent. After pulling their sting they might say "mommy" or "moo" and occasionally a new plastic doll pops out, but it's scientifically absurd to suggest that such toys explain the origin of intelligence and how living things work.

So what about your undefined, undemonstrated, vague generalization "intelligence"?
You can't even decide if it's required at all 4 "levels" you assert, without support, in your "theory".
It's shown as required in your far-too-often repeated diagram, yet you back away from the claim when confronted with real world examples such as Stephen Hawking.

Problems, real or imagined, with any other models are entirely irrelevant to the existence of the real, demonstrable problems with your assertions.
Likewise with respect to the existence of the real, demonstrable dishonesty displayed in your rejoinders to perfectly reasonable objections to your nonsense.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,06:56   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 16 2015,07:22)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Sep. 15 2015,10:05)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 15 2015,06:46)
I do not know of anything close to this computer model. I should not be expected to present research papers for others like it. It is from keeping up with what neuroscientists have been discovering.

You said "You will not find a more biologically accurate model showing the basics of what neuroscientists have been discovering..."

This suggests that you've done a comprehensive review of the literature and found your "model" the winner.

If my "review of the literature" was inadequate then you should have been able to show me a cognitive science related modeling method I have not seen before.

Nonsense.

You've been shown, conclusively, that your "review of  the literature" was inadequate.
Now you move the goal posts to "show me a better modeling method."

Your alleged review of the literature is comprehensively lacking in merit and seems to be yet another delusion of your ridiculously sub-par intelligence.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,17:57   

Quote (NoName @ Sep. 16 2015,06:56)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 16 2015,07:22)
 
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ Sep. 15 2015,10:05)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 15 2015,06:46)
I do not know of anything close to this computer model. I should not be expected to present research papers for others like it. It is from keeping up with what neuroscientists have been discovering.

You said "You will not find a more biologically accurate model showing the basics of what neuroscientists have been discovering..."

This suggests that you've done a comprehensive review of the literature and found your "model" the winner.

If my "review of the literature" was inadequate then you should have been able to show me a cognitive science related modeling method I have not seen before.

Nonsense.

You've been shown, conclusively, that your "review of  the literature" was inadequate.
Now you move the goal posts to "show me a better modeling method."

Your alleged review of the literature is comprehensively lacking in merit and seems to be yet another delusion of your ridiculously sub-par intelligence.

It's even worse than that.  He just moved the goalposts to "show me a cognitive science related modeling method I have not seen before." All Gary has to do is "see" a model and he knows his is better.  Amazing!

Gary: Apes don't read cognitive science!

Us: Yes they do.  They just don't understand it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 16 2015,23:25   

Although it should go without saying: When I write I differentiate between a "computer model" that is programmed and a theoretical "model" as in the phrase "Darwinian model" by whether the "computer" qualifier is present or not. Charles Darwin did not even have a personal computer to code his selection+mutation based model. Theoretical models only need to have a good chance of working when fully tested that way.

I am not obliged to provide computer software that I cannot even afford to produce. With all considered it's more like an insult to expect a whole model working of everything with two intelligent causation events that are not even technologically possible yet.

There is a whole other set of standards being used for a "model" even though in reality in the "scientific literature" models rarely have any code at all to go with them, they don't have to and by science there is nothing wrong with doing so. None should be expecting that I must follow more rigid demands where all covered in the theory has to be coded in detail scientists have not even discovered yet. That was concocted by quoting what I said out of context while ignoring words here and there that left them nothing to complain about.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2015,00:26   

And an awesome new paper on/from the tracksite! It's not open access (or at least not yet) but Sebastian emailed me a .pdf copy for myself that I wish I could freely share with you. They have the tiny footprints of the bugger all detailed and more.

 
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Lower Jurassic Arthropod Resting Trace from the Hartford Basin of Massachusetts, USA
Sebastian G. Dalman & Spencer G. Lucas

Abstract

Cheliceratichnus lockleyi ichnogen. nov. et ichnosp. nov. is a new ichnotaxon of arthropod resting trace (cubichnium) from the Lower Jurassic (Hettangian) East Berlin Formation in Holyoke, Massachusetts, USA. The trace fossil is preserved as showing many of the external anatomical features of the exoskeleton, which resemble those of some chelicerates, notably sun spiders (Solifugae). The resting trace is directly associated with a trackway of the ichnospecies Acanthichnus cursorius Hitchcock. This is the first described fossil resting trace of a solifugan-like arthropod, and the first direct evidence of a trackmaker of A. cursorius.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi........1059337


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2015,06:26   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 17 2015,00:25)
Although it should go without saying: When I write I differentiate between a "computer model" that is programmed and a theoretical "model" as in the phrase "Darwinian model" by whether the "computer" qualifier is present or not. Charles Darwin did not even have a personal computer to code his selection+mutation based model. Theoretical models only need to have a good chance of working when fully tested that way.

I am not obliged to provide computer software that I cannot even afford to produce. With all considered it's more like an insult to expect a whole model working of everything with two intelligent causation events that are not even technologically possible yet.

There is a whole other set of standards being used for a "model" even though in reality in the "scientific literature" models rarely have any code at all to go with them, they don't have to and by science there is nothing wrong with doing so. None should be expecting that I must follow more rigid demands where all covered in the theory has to be coded in detail scientists have not even discovered yet. That was concocted by quoting what I said out of context while ignoring words here and there that left them nothing to complain about.

Confused even by your "standards".
Are you insisting that a computer model is required, or that it is not?
In either case, your work fails.
It fails on the distinct lack of merits, it fails to meet the lofty claims you make about it, it fails to find anyone, literally anyone (other than yourself) who accepts it.
Regardless of whether we're talking about the "computer model" that is entirely lacking in factual grounding or the "theory" which is entirely lacking in well, everything, your work fails.
As 8+ years on the internet and 500+ pages here demonstrate quite nicely.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2015,07:00   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 16 2015,23:25)
Although it should go without saying: When I write I differentiate between a "computer model" that is programmed and a theoretical "model" as in the phrase "Darwinian model" by whether the "computer" qualifier is present or not. Charles Darwin did not even have a personal computer to code his selection+mutation based model. Theoretical models only need to have a good chance of working when fully tested that way.

I am not obliged to provide computer software that I cannot even afford to produce. With all considered it's more like an insult to expect a whole model working of everything with two intelligent causation events that are not even technologically possible yet.

There is a whole other set of standards being used for a "model" even though in reality in the "scientific literature" models rarely have any code at all to go with them, they don't have to and by science there is nothing wrong with doing so. None should be expecting that I must follow more rigid demands where all covered in the theory has to be coded in detail scientists have not even discovered yet. That was concocted by quoting what I said out of context while ignoring words here and there that left them nothing to complain about.

As always, thanks for allowing specialists access to the trackways.

However, for the earlier post, bunkum.  You are presenting a computer model for which you make all sorts of grandiose claims and from which you make all sorts of assertions.  However, the quality of the computer model is poor and assertions that you claim to base on the model are unjustified, illogical, and without evidence.  

Both kinds of models require a strong foundation of precise definitions, useful operational definitions, and full understanding of previous work.  You don't do that.

For example, you refer to Darwin's model of "natural selection and mutation".  In fact, Darwin didn't know about genes, so he didn't know about mutations.  He developed a completely wrong idea about "pangenesis" and it was not until about 50-70 years later that the majority of biologists properly understood the role of genes and mutations and finally got fully on board with natural selection being a major part of speciation. (Darwin fully understood and documented that variation exists, but without a mechanism to produce variability there are serious limits to what natural selection can do - selection of existing variants can turn a wolf into a poodle, but not a fish into an amphibian. http://www.genetics.org/content....df+html )  Beyond that, you keep making howlers like claiming that insects have hippocampi, that salmon exemplify parenting skills, and so on and so forth.

Both types of models need to be ground-truthed and need to be supported by some evidence & logic that things actually work the way the model claims.  You don't do that, and your model has many logical failures even before we get to the coding.  When we do get to the coding, it is clear that absolutely none of your major assertions have any logical connection to the model whatsoever.

       
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None should be expecting that I must follow more rigid demands where all covered in the theory has to be coded in detail scientists have not even discovered yet.

Wow, do you have that wrong.  Our objection is that you cannot make claims from a model that models something that is not understood.  You can certainly try that approach (particularly to constrain what is not yet known), but making any positive claims from that approach means that you need exceptionally good evidence that things might work the way that you are claiming in your model.  Otherwise you are modelling plane flight by:
10 Lift = NumberOfAngels:
If Lift < Takeoff then NumberOfAngels = NumberOfAngels + 1: Goto 10

An unconstrained model (like yours) can indeed be far worse than concluding "We do not understand that yet", and then working on improving our basic understanding through traditional scientific methods.  Contrary to what you imagine, simply presenting a new hypothesis does not inherently make it a better hypothesis nor does that require anyone to pay attention to it.  If you want it to garner attention, YOU have to provide reasons to convince people that the idea is worth paying attention to. (Show that you understand the fundamentals; present your idea clearly and logically; demonstrate how your new definitions provide a better handle on the problem; provide some evidence that you are on the right track; show how your model matches what we know so far; etc., etc., etc.)  You've spent years doing exactly the opposite.

You are being delusional.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2015,20:48   

This from the earlier mentioned paper is an excellent description of what I have for paleo:

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INTRODUCTION

On March 25, 1996, Gary Gaulin discovered an outcrop of
the East Berlin Formation on his property in Holyoke, Massachusetts
(Fig. 1), that contained numerous dinosaur footprints.
When completely excavated, the outcrop consisted of multiple
layers, each bearing dinosaur footprints primarily referable to
the ichnogenera Anchisauripus, Eubrontes and Grallator
(Dalman and Weems, 2013). During 2003 and 2004, the
uppermost layer with small footprints was removed, exposing
dinosaur (Anomoepus) trackways. What we interpret as the
resting trace of a chelicerate arthropod was among the dinosaur
footprints on this layer. Here, we describe this unusual
and unique trace fossil as a new ichnotaxon and discuss its
possible tracemaker. In this article, SSM refers to the Springfield
Science Museum, Springfield, Massachusetts.

GEOLOGICAL SETTING

The Gaulin tracksite is located approximately 0.8 km north
of Holyoke Community College in Holyoke, Massachusetts,
and 10.4 km south of the Mount Tom Dinosaur Footprint Reservation
in Holyoke (Fig. 1). Stratigraphically, the exposure
lies in the lower part of the East Berlin Formation, which consists
mostly of mudstone and sandstone layers of Early
Jurassic (Hettangian) age (Gierlowski-Kordesch and Rust,
1994; Guinness, 2003; Kozur and Weems, 2010).
In the area of the tracksite, the East Berlin Formation is
450 m thick and consists of cyclical lacustrine and marginal
fluvio-lacustrine black, gray, and red mudstone interbedded
with layers of sandstone, conglomerate, and some limestone
(Olsen et al., 2003). The formation is underlain by the 100 m
thick Holyoke Basalt and overlain by the 60 m thick Hampden
Basalt. The footprint-bearing strata at the Gaulin tracksite are
fine-grained sandstones that have ripple marks and are mudcracked
in some places, indicating that the substrate at times
was submerged under a body of shallow water that periodically
dried out when the lake level fell (Dalman and Weems,
2013). Previous authors have interpreted the Gaulin tracksite
to represent an ancient lake margin surface, a part of one of
the numerous successive lacustrine playa cycles that were
deposited in this area during the Early Jurassic, » 198 Ma
(Gierlowski-Kordesch and Rust, 1994; Olsen et al., 1998;
Guinness, 2003; Kozur and Weems, 2010; Dalman and
Weems, 2013).


For the past several days I have been busy coordinating a paleontology related project happening tomorrow where the goal will be to photograph document as many layers as possible, in an area of the site being leveled rather quickly by someone who is very good at bringing trace fossils to the surface. This will be the second time we went through this series of layers and already know it contains traces galore worth documenting. And for this time around I found academic help so that the documentation part is done by experts who have done that before for research papers. With all the work required to quickly get data out of the bedrock in as few pieces as possible this project requires teamwork. From experience we know that the documentation part is a job in itself another part of the team must take care of or else progress through the layers slows way down, and between all else only leaves enough time to do an amateurish job keeping up with the data stream.

I'm hoping for an amount of data similar to the NLM-NIH "Visible Human Project" where after sectioning the task of putting it together into 3D becomes an attraction. I'm already thinking about trying the navigational (internal world model) network for that purpose. What is most different is that after like a snail brain swirling sensory to find where it belongs in the 3D map features are expressed as vectors between borders/boundaries, edges. It would inherently see contours to follow that the ID Lab critter could explore in closer detail even though its physical size would not actually fit. Imagination is not something I need to add. Whether it is in reality the right size to fit inside a pathway would require adding the articulated sensory needed for proprioception, the hard part. In our development we start off with mostly imagination. Being more realistic came later, took time to develop.

In other news there is also another exciting site related paper due out in a few weeks by Patrick Getty. More is already in the works. We're in an old area of science pioneered by Dr Reverend Edward Hitchcock pastor of the Congregational Church in Conway and eventually legendary president of Amherst College. He had no problem reconciling science and religion. After his time giant skeletons being dug up out west took center stage, while trace fossils of prehistoric behavior of bugs and such became something once done in history that seemed to end after running out of stuff to study when the truth is there is still plenty of that around.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2015,22:04   

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He had no problem reconciling science and religion.

Well, actually, yes he did.  Hitchcock spent a huge amount of time trying to do it, but he never quite managed it.  He had a tree of life in his textbook that he took out as soon as Darwin proposed evolution, because he was religiously opposed to Darwin's ideas.  He made a great to-do which very few people brought into about a single Hebrew letter in the bible allowing for days of creation to have lasted for great lengths of time.  In short, for all his learning and accomplishments, some of his conclusions were about about as much special pleading as your own stuff.

He gets great credit for interpreting dinosaur footprints as being bipedal and from giant birds, among many other things.

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I'm already thinking about trying the navigational (internal world model) network for that purpose. What is most different is that after like a snail brain swirling sensory to find where it belongs in the 3D map features are expressed as vectors between borders/boundaries, edges. It would inherently see contours to follow that the ID Lab critter could explore in closer detail even though its physical size would not actually fit. Imagination is not something I need to add. Whether it is in reality the right size to fit inside a pathway would require adding the articulated sensory needed for proprioception, the hard part. In our development we start off with mostly imagination. Being more realistic came later, took time to develop.
 

I've said before that your model could be adapted very easily to explore foraging strategies or algorithms and their development, and you could probably make some valuable contributions in that area if you spent some effort aligning your model with reality and refrained from asserting stuff that the model does not show.  Not that I hold much hope for that, but so it goes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2015,22:31   

Never anger the new ichnotaxon of chelicerate arthropod from the Gaulin tracksite, nor their descendants who still look just like them and are even bigger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....DuKb8iE

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2015,04:28   

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For the past several days I have been busy coordinating a paleontology related project happening tomorrow where the goal will be to photograph document as many layers as possible, in an area of the site being leveled rather quickly by someone who is very good at bringing trace fossils to the surface.


Still waiting for YOU to science us, Gaulin.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2015,04:47   

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For the past several days I have been busy coordinating a paleontology related project happening tomorrow where the goal will be to photograph document as many layers as possible, in an area of the site being leveled rather quickly by someone who is very good at bringing trace fossils to the surface.


Still waiting for YOU to science us, Gaulin.

Gary coordinating something? Last time someone came to take his fossils he charged them a cheeseburger.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2015,09:29   

To make a long story short: Among other things another valuable invertebrate trail (or little that's left of it) was found. This time though it was discovered in the scraps from previous work. It was likely too mud covered to see. Rainstorms later cleaned it off.

Going through what we already had from last time was enough work to keep the identification experts busy. They found a good number of interesting traces to take back with them (but not the invertebrate trail since that might need to be added to the SSM collection with credit given by listing them as the official discoverer).

It was another great day for dinosaur prints. I will soon have pictures of what was meanwhile being chiseled out, which needed several days of prep-work, elsewhere.

In regards to what is needed to properly keep up with all the data that normally gets generated in one day: the only practical way I can find to keep up with it all is to give the next ID Lab critter a safe to be around robotic body with spherical wheels that make it like four rolling basketballs.

The ID Lab critter is born to control a motor system that allows it to travel in on its own when is sees something new that it has not seen yet, while learning how to stay out of the way by making the places we fill in space a place to avoid, after bumping into things enough times to on its own learn how not to do that. We and other solid objects become the shock zones to avoid, while something that just changed in the landscape are the attractors. What is stored in memory (its mind) for color at each pixel after "seeing" it close-up is the 3D data all set to go from there.

An arm or wheeled robot that has positional sensors already knows where the camera is pointed. The sensory image would only need to "swirl" by the amount of error in the system. Not have to reorient itself each frame.

Its normal motor behavior to become better and better at zooming in to travel between all the new borders/edges it can see, at various distances away. Optional laser line in the picture would add surface detail. All between the borders/edges traveled gets eliminated as being attracting. It would keep going until all is seen from a bug's eye view then have to zoom back out again in search of more, which gets it out of the way and waiting for when it's needed again. Moving rubble from the worksite should keep it busy some distance away but I expect that it will become annoying when it needs to take a look at where the new material came from to place all the pieces it saw on a nearby flat surface.

After having that it is easy to add a motorized vacuum pump to rubber suction cup mouth that lifts or at least drags the small pieces out of the way then when done pressure washes and blow dries ahead of itself while taking care of all camera work on what was just found below it.

We don't want a system powerful enough to get hurt by and can help out with what it ends up struggling to move on its own. Let it sort out the mess where the layers get almost paper thin, while lifting a new pile to sort through right next to it.

It can be contained in an area by surrounding with a barrier. Where the perimeter is a flat surface that is painted an easily detected color it's an excellent place to direct its behavior to cover the surface of, with rubble. I expect it to learn to travel at an angle to the slope or controllable angle downward and spin around just in time with gravity helping them to find a place to put something almost as heavy as it can move. After filling in all the perimeter color it sees or gets stuck its confidence level will go way down, indicating it needs our help, but that's it.

I cannot afford to complicate things. But in this case taking thousands of pictures to later reassemble into 3D leads to data overload problems. There are software packages for other purposes that might compile it but from past experience I expect the results would be nowhere near as good as real-time observation by a digital intelligence.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2015,01:45   

What phrases am I looking for to describe the above dreck?

Hmm... how about,

"Basking in the light others' work"....or

"Giants standing on my shoulders"

Still waiting for you to science us, Gaulin.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2015,08:22   

Not worth a cheeseburger.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2015,22:33   

Here's a link that might hold you for awhile:

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015....7937139

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2015,01:40   

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For the past several days I have been busy coordinating a paleontology related project [......]


Opening and closing the gate for the experts? Car park attendant? Or in charge of the coffee maker?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2015,16:59   

Twas written beforehand:  
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Gary coordinating something? Last time someone came to take his fossils he charged them a cheeseburger.


Which immediately brought to mind:

No fries . . . .  chips!

No Coke . . . . Pepsi!

Which makes about as much sense as Goo Goo's BS, plus being funnier, (to some of us, anyways) too.

  
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