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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,07:50   

Couple of bitches.  Both are/were tremendous pains to their respective mothers. :)


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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,08:18   

Egg binding is also a bitch. I've seen it happen in chickens.

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,08:31   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 30 2010,09:18)
Egg binding is also a bitch. I've seen it happen in chickens.

Ug, yeah.  Lost a silver laced Polish pullet that way.  :(

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,08:33   

So I guess she was human?

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,08:46   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 30 2010,09:33)
So I guess she was human?

Not really, no.  Although her hairdo was pretty spiff.



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Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,09:12   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Mar. 30 2010,13:50)
Couple of bitches.  Both are/were tremendous pains to their respective mothers. :)

Wow! Who's the hottie?

And where did that other one get her leather jacket?

:)

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,09:25   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Mar. 30 2010,10:12)
Wow! Who's the hottie?

And where did that other one get her leather jacket?

:)

The hottie is "Eazy" (Laureate Adrienne K-C's Easy Lover) and, given her name, you might just stand a chance.  She's a bit underage, though, even in dog years, as her first birthday is April 8.

The other one got her leather jacket at Burlington Coat Factory for $109.00 USD.  Kenneth Cole lambskin.  Smells as good as it looks, I tells ya'!

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,10:12   

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Oh come on now Wolfhound, you know you ladies should know your place and not comment on the pains and what have you. After all, the world's ills can be laid at your door for eating a snake after listening to a talking apple or something.

Naughty womens! Hush now. Back in the kitchen! And don't forget to add the Jesus.

;-)

Louis

I just got out of the kitchen a moment ago after preparing a Jesus-free breakfast for my elderly grandfather and now my place is here, nattering away at my betters (those who own a penis, according to Bobby-B and his celestial bully-boy).

Now, about them thar girlie-pains... Well, I've had some over the years although I probably should be a good little woman and accept my share of the Curse of Eve by squeezing out a whelp or two.  Any volunteers to help me with this?  I haven't yet mastered that whole parthenogenesis thang so need some help with the spermies, I reckon.  I'll never get to Heaven if I don't suffer properly and from what I understand the agony of childbirth draws out about 18-30 years.  Longer if you name the lil' nipper Louis.  :D

MOAR SUFFERIN'! LESS TALKIN'!

HOMO.
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Louis

*Is this the first combination Tardologue ™ and Misogyny special? If so I wants me a medal.**

**It occurs to me that people might not realise I am joking about all of this.***

***It also occurs to me that the reason I am still alive is because they do realise this.****

****I worry too much.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,10:15   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Mar. 30 2010,12:50)
Couple of bitches.  Both are/were tremendous pains to their respective mothers. :)

Ahem. That is NOT the approved terminology. The word "bitch" is a term only used by the phallocentric, misogynistic, penis owning kyriarchy. The correct term is "Lady Dog".

Obviously "bitch" is fine to use when referring to women. Especially if you are a rapper, when it's positively sexually alluring.

Carry on.

;-)

Louis

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,12:59   

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Obviously "bitch" is fine to use when referring to women. Especially if you are a rapper, when it's positively sexually alluring.

People who belong to a particular subset are also given free license to use the derogatory terms, too.  That's why it's okay for me to bandy about "bitch", "twat", etc.  And it's socially acceptable for you and a few others to call each other "homo" and suchlike.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,13:11   

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And it's socially acceptable for you and a few others to call each other "homo"


That's very wise.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,13:17   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Mar. 30 2010,12:59)

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Quote (Louis @ Mar. 30 2010,11:15)
Obviously "bitch" is fine to use when referring to women. Especially if you are a rapper, when it's positively sexually alluring.

People who belong to a particular subset are also given free license to use the derogatory terms, too.  That's why it's okay for me to bandy about "bitch", "twat", etc.  And it's socially acceptable for you and a few others to call each other "homo" and suchlike.


Well it's certainly ok for Louis to use the term since he belongs to said particular subset (as you say) and everyone knows he's kidding* and worries too much***. The rest of us penis owners are left without I'm afraid; Old Bald Farts really hasn't caught on.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,13:47   

Quote (Wolfhound @ Mar. 30 2010,17:59)
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Obviously "bitch" is fine to use when referring to women. Especially if you are a rapper, when it's positively sexually alluring.

People who belong to a particular subset are also given free license to use the derogatory terms, too.  That's why it's okay for me to bandy about "bitch", "twat", etc.  And it's socially acceptable for you and a few others to call each other "homo" and suchlike.

In all seriousness, calling people bitch, homo etc is IMO not ok. It's pretty poor behaviour (bigotry at worst, indifference to/ignorance/reinforcement of the bigotry of other at best), and yes, I know I've engaged in it. I am imperfect, but working on it. I'm a bit hardline, I'm not sure it's a good idea even for women to call each other bitch, but since dealing with misogyny is their problem not mine, I'll let them work that one out! ;-)

Almost exclusively when "homo" is used here it's a "deliberate in-joke about DaveScot and how he acts" use, NOT an "insult-by-calling-someone-gay" use.

Just to make sure we're all on the same comedy page and all!

Louis

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,13:48   

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And it's socially acceptable for you and a few others to call each other "homo"


That's very wise.

Badum tish!

Give the man a beer! He's here all week, tip the veal, try the waitress.

Louis

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,15:25   

Er, try what with the waitress?  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,15:31   

The only "bitch" I've ever met was named Amada Bar-Cat.  :)

I used to have a wolfhound, too.  He could play the banjo (poorly) and died of Barkinsons' disease.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,19:34   

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Meanwhile, over at The Panda's Thumb Byers undermines his argument:

   
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In any issue of determining if old bones are of humans and not apes there is a clue. The bible teaches that women uniquely have great pain at childbirth. Animals do not. This is a great anatomical reality of our women’s skeleton and so if there is a female hobbit one just needs to examine, if possible, whether she had pain at childbirth by looking at her skeleton. If so we got a daughter of Adam. if not we got a dumb old monkey.


So we can tell the difference between "monkey" and human by looking at reproduction, but not marsupial and placental?

Reproduction can be different and yet not is evidence of segregated kinds.
Snakes can bear live young or by eggs yet they are still snakes.
With people there is a express intervention in nature by God to make a difference in reproduction. Animals are not affected.

Umm, there is this from Ankel-Simons Primate Anatomy:

 
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This condition is especially demanding in those primates in which the inner diameter of the female pelvis and the circumference of the fullterm newborn offspring are critically close to each other - for example, in some macaques, in some New World Monkeys (Namely Saimiri and Cebus)..., and in Homo sapiens. In such primates the infant may be unable to pass through the canal during labor and both mother and infant may die because of this. Only humans are able to remedy this critical situation by means of surgical interference (cesarean section). This crucial "bottleneck" situation exists in other nonhuman primates that combine single births, highly developed brains, and newborns that are relatively large in correlation to the sacroiliac articulation.
(All bolding and emphasis in the above quote were added by me.)

So, there you have it, a number of female primates feel pain during childbirth for exactly the same reason human females do - it is caused by a trade off between locomotion, birth, and resting posture. Apparently no intervention by god(s) is needed.

Stilling trying to say animals have pain at birthing. They don't. there are reasons that are accepted for this.
The pain by our women is from well understood reasons. In fact they go further and try to say evolution is the origin of it. Standing upright and getting bigger heads/shoulders .
Its not true that apes etc have like pain , like duration, like percentages.
They don't for the very reasons that even evolution invokes to explain things here.
If apes did have like pain then uprightness/head size etc would not be the reason and origin of the reasons for birth pains.
Mankind is unique from animals in this and everything.
The bible says clearly why women got pain. A punishment.

I am beginning to think that you might have some reading comprehension problems. Primates do have pain during child birth, this has been empirically confirmed by a number of investigators on many occasions. The reasons for that pain have been investigated and the quote from Ankel-Simons (one of the premier primate anatomists) is a pretty good summary of why. Unless you can come up with some studies demonstrating the contrary I see no reason why I should accept your word or the bible over that of empirical research.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,20:01   

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...and from what I understand the agony of childbirth draws out about 18-30 years.  Longer if you name the lil' nipper Louis.  :D

Hey now!

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,20:42   

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...and from what I understand the agony of childbirth draws out about 18-30 years.  Longer if you name the lil' nipper Louis.  :D

Hey now!

No, Lou, I'm certain you were a delightful child and the apple of your mother's eye.  As opposed to Louis, who likely filled the role of talking snake.  Or not.  We should ask his mum.  Once Arden is done with her. *

* My apologies to Louis' mother, who has suffered enough, as it is.

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Wolfhound



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,20:59   

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Quote (Louis @ Mar. 30 2010,11:15)
Obviously "bitch" is fine to use when referring to women. Especially if you are a rapper, when it's positively sexually alluring.

People who belong to a particular subset are also given free license to use the derogatory terms, too.  That's why it's okay for me to bandy about "bitch", "twat", etc.  And it's socially acceptable for you and a few others to call each other "homo" and suchlike.

In all seriousness, calling people bitch, homo etc is IMO not ok. It's pretty poor behaviour (bigotry at worst, indifference to/ignorance/reinforcement of the bigotry of other at best), and yes, I know I've engaged in it. I am imperfect, but working on it. I'm a bit hardline, I'm not sure it's a good idea even for women to call each other bitch, but since dealing with misogyny is their problem not mine, I'll let them work that one out! ;-)

Almost exclusively when "homo" is used here it's a "deliberate in-joke about DaveScot and how he acts" use, NOT an "insult-by-calling-someone-gay" use.

Just to make sure we're all on the same comedy page and all!

Louis

No worries.  I have NEVER called another woman any of those names in anger.  My good friends and I jokingly use the words, but, as it is here at AtBC with the homo jibes, it's all in good fun.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2010,21:41   

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...and from what I understand the agony of childbirth draws out about 18-30 years.  Longer if you name the lil' nipper Louis.  :D

Hey now!

No, Lou, I'm certain you were a delightful child and the apple of your mother's eye.  As opposed to Louis, who likely filled the role of talking snake.  Or not.  We should ask his mum.  Once Arden is done with her. *

* My apologies to Louis' mother, who has suffered enough, as it is.

There is a direct line from talking snakes in Eden to snarky talk at AtBC.

Oh, this is a fallen world.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,03:19   

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...and from what I understand the agony of childbirth draws out about 18-30 years.  Longer if you name the lil' nipper Louis.  :D

Hey now!

No, Lou, I'm certain you were a delightful child and the apple of your mother's eye.  As opposed to Louis, who likely filled the role of talking snake.  Or not.  We should ask his mum.  Once Arden is done with her. *

* My apologies to Louis' mother, who has suffered enough, as it is.

Don't apologise. She's enjoying herself apparently. Frankly it's disgusting.

Anyway, you're right. I am the incarnation of evil. Hey, it's something to do at weekends.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,04:13   

Oops wrong thread

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,06:53   

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...and from what I understand the agony of childbirth draws out about 18-30 years.  Longer if you name the lil' nipper Louis.  :D
Hey now!
No, Lou, I'm certain you were a delightful child and the apple of your mother's eye.  As opposed to Louis, who likely filled the role of talking snake.  Or not.  We should ask his mum.  Once Arden is done with her. *

* My apologies to Louis' mother, who has suffered enough, as it is.
There is a direct line from talking snakes in Eden to snarky talk at AtBC.

Oh, this is a fallen world.

The worst part is when you fall and can't reach your beer.

Fortunately, we haven't fallen that far yet.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,13:23   

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...and from what I understand the agony of childbirth draws out about 18-30 years.  Longer if you name the lil' nipper Louis.  :D

Hey now!

No, Lou, I'm certain you were a delightful child and the apple of your mother's eye.  As opposed to Louis, who likely filled the role of talking snake.  Or not.  We should ask his mum.  Once Arden is done with her. *

* My apologies to Louis' mother, who has suffered enough, as it is.

Don't apologise. She's enjoying herself apparently. Frankly it's disgusting.

Anyway, you're right. I am the incarnation of evil. Hey, it's something to do at weekends.

Louis

What? Homo.

Sorry, I thought you said you were the pink carnation of evil.

Carry on.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,13:54   

While we are on human physiology can Robert please explain why God gave us a body more suited to running around on all fours causing most of us to have bad backs and knees.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,13:57   

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While we are on human physiology can Robert please explain why God gave us a body more suited to running around on all fours causing most of us to have bad backs and knees.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,16:00   

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Anyway, you're right. I am the incarnation of evil. Hey, it's something to do at weekends.

I am so stealing that phrase for my band if you don't mind.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,17:09   

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While we are on human physiology can Robert please explain why God gave us a body more suited to running around on all fours causing most of us to have bad backs and knees.

You're behind the times Michael:

http://creation.com/standin....terview

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Back pain vs evolution
Richard pointed out that evolutionary theory can be unproductive for research:

‘For example, the curve of the lumbar spine towards the front—the lordosis—was thought by evolutionists to be a problem, the result of man having recently adopted an upright position. So, some researchers blamed back pain on this, saying the spine had not yet evolved satisfactorily. If therapists have the wrong starting assumption, then it’s not surprising that treatments for lordosis are unhelpful. If a spine fracture causes a lumbar kyphosis (curvature in the opposite direction), that spine is significantly weakened.’1

He added that the creationist perspective has always been foundational to his research:

‘I start from quite a different position. From my understanding of human anatomy and physiology and my understanding of God, I say that the form of God’s creation always matches its function. So you can be sure that the form of the spine is perfectly designed for its function. God has made a wonderful spine. If you start with that premise, it gives you a head start when trying to understand the mechanism of the spine.

‘When you start to examine the biomechanics of the curved spine, asking why it’s that shape, and what’s good about it, you find that the arch of the spine has a beautiful purpose. Like the arch of a bridge, it adds strength. Because of that arch in the lumbar spine, a person with a lumbar lordosis can lift proportionally more weight than a gorilla with its kyphotic (opposite curvature) spine! So it’s not surprising that treating back pain with postures and exercises that restore the lordosis works exceedingly well.’2

The splendid spine

Injury Statistics
Our human spine is among the most ingeniously designed structures to be found anywhere. In this fallen world, it is estimated that 70–90% of all people in the US will suffer at least one back injury in their lives. Up to 25% become chronic. Much of this is exacerbated by failure to keep the surrounding muscles strong.
Since the spine is his specialist field, he could tell us about more of its amazing features:

‘My inaugural lecture in Aberdeen was “Upright Man”? and I tried to explain how the wonderful human spine is a perfect match between form and function. Things go wrong with the spine when we abuse it (if we fail to keep ourselves fit, or overload it, or have an accident). We are learning to use “foam filling”? in building (a sandwich of honeycomb material between two plates) to make something that is both light and strong, but the bones of the spine have been “foam filled”? with cancellous bone (with an open, latticed, or porous structure), surrounded by harder cortical bone, since the Creation.

‘The vertebral bodies increase in cross-sectional area as you go further down the spine, because in the upright position, the lower ones take more load. The bones are not denser, just bigger. By contrast, animals that walk on all fours have a roughly horizontal spine that is equally loaded all the way. So all their vertebrae are of similar cross-sectional area. Form matches function. If evolutionists were right in saying we had recently attained upright posture, our vertebral bodies should be like those of quadrupeds, but they are not.

‘We designed radial-ply tyres for motor cars, but God constructed the rim of the intervertebral disc with radial-ply fibres from the beginning. That construction makes a healthy disc stronger than the bones. When one examines the way the human body is formed and how it works, one is constantly amazed. It’s like looking at a piece of beautiful bone china and seeing the maker’s mark beneath.’


Apparently evolution has held up the treatment of back injuries for years, or so i've been told.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2010,18:20   

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Anyway, you're right. I am the incarnation of evil. Hey, it's something to do at weekends.

I am so stealing that phrase for my band if you don't mind.

I expect royalties in the form of beer tributes.

Louis

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