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Erasmus, FCD

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,11:09

srsly

would anyone in their right mind ever wear that fucking shirt

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,12:57

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Joe
February 5, 2012 at 8:50 am

Elizabeth,

If evos really want to make an impact on science they need to test actual stochastic hypotheses and aim for proper high-impact factor journals with rigorous peer-review. If the work is validly done, it will be published. But it needs to be good science.

But fisrt they need to actually produce testable hypotheses…

blustering dumbshit

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Jealous much, joe?

You're trying awfully hard to ignore the fact that many thousands of "good science" papers have been and will continue to be published by "evos" in "proper high-impact factor journals with rigorous peer-review". Closing your eyes and putting your fingers in your ears while muttering la la la la la la doesn't change that FACT.

The only place where your IDiotic bald assertions could be appropriately published is in the Sunday funnies.

By the way joe, here's a reminder of a word that crushes your assertions (and behe's, torley's, dembski's, etc.) about designed IC in a system: ecosystem. You ran away from the IC thread at Sandwalk. Why is that? Aren't you confident in your "position"?

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,15:32

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 05 2012,12:57)

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blustering dumbshit

Joe:

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Well the Bible says the universe had a beginning- IOW the “God scenario” made a prediction that science verified.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,17:18

Over at Mike Gene's blog, Mike Gene has a post up about Genmonicus' "testable predictions" for ID, specifically about cytosine as a "design choice" for a front-loading designer:

A reason for cytosine deamination

Just in case anyone is interested in Gene's take on that. Gene "would not agree with genomicus" regarding cytosine deamination.

No time to comment there tonight with the game starting, etc. but FYI.

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,19:13

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,19:33

Why is Friday the preferred time for meltdowns?

Henry

Erasmus, FCD

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,20:01

Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 05 2012,20:33)

Why is Friday the preferred time for meltdowns?

Henry

good question, it wasn't predicted from theory so much as it's simply a robust generalization from empirical observation

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,20:02

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 05 2012,20:13)

hahaha

the most beautiful thing about is Liberace could play the Rachmaninoff Suites on Frill's asshole

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,20:19

Quote (Seversky @ Feb. 05 2012,10:36)

The Liberace of LS-DYNA plays a return gig at UD:

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With what is now known about the fine-tuning of the laws of physics for the production of a universe that “knew” we were coming (Freeman Dyson), and with what is now known about the sophisticated information-processing systems and technology found in even the simplest living cell (not to mention the human mind), it is incomprehensible to me that this evidence would lead any rational person to the conclusion that it all came about by chance and necessity, and not by design.

Never mind Freeman Dyson, I thought Douglas Adams dispatched the fine-tuning argument rather neatly:

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... imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be all right, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.

The Artless Dodgen then poses a profound question:

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Either I have lost my mind, or materialists have lost theirs.

Maybe we should take a poll on this.

I vote Gil

Gee, has Gil, or his Dad, lost his mind? Let's see, the accomplished scientist, or the failed pianist and "everything's a nail" programmer?

But you see, all atheists/evolutionists are vile scum who hate God and truth, except for Frill's dad, who just happens to see the world similar to the entirely deluded/dishonest god haters.

Here's the real question: Who ever alleged that Gildo had a mind?

Glen Davidson

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Posted: Feb. 05 2012,22:17

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Feb. 05 2012,20:19)

Here's the real question: Who ever alleged that Gildo had a mind?

Glen Davidson

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What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,00:32

From that master of turgid prose, KF:

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What is conspicuously absent from those who are latching on to such statistics on nominal Christianity coupled to a want of serious discipleship or even serious attempts at discipleship that struggle to overcome a widespread cultural influence sanctioned by leading voices and institutions that shape views and perceptions in profound ways, is the just as valid and longstanding pattern of life and community transformation by living relationship with God in the communion of the saints, across 2,000 years with millions of cases, down to today.

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So also, above [and pardon if this post misses its proper place, I find the threading scheme a problem to work with . . . ], we have a case where evidence of just how corrosive evolutionary materialism and its wider influences through radical relativisation of thought and of morality are, has been transmuted into the false notion that serious living encounter with God through the risen Christ, the life transforming gospel, the indwelling and empowering of the poured our Spirit in the communion of the saints do not work.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,01:21

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 05 2012,22:32)

From that master of turgid prose, KF:

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What is conspicuously absent from those who are latching on to such statistics on nominal Christianity coupled to a want of serious discipleship or even serious attempts at discipleship that struggle to overcome a widespread cultural influence sanctioned by leading voices and institutions that shape views and perceptions in profound ways, is the just as valid and longstanding pattern of life and community transformation by living relationship with God in the communion of the saints, across 2,000 years with millions of cases, down to today.

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So also, above [and pardon if this post misses its proper place, I find the threading scheme a problem to work with . . . ], we have a case where evidence of just how corrosive evolutionary materialism and its wider influences through radical relativisation of thought and of morality are, has been transmuted into the false notion that serious living encounter with God through the risen Christ, the life transforming gospel, the indwelling and empowering of the poured our Spirit in the communion of the saints do not work.

All science so far!

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,01:43

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 05 2012,22:32)

From that master of turgid prose, KF:

*snip*

Jesus Christ. I'd rather read Dense's prose.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,01:57

Where are the Ilions of yesteryear? Right here.

I knew something was missing from UD lately.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,03:08

Denise is on to the Second Hand Smoke fraud. It's just another form of Darwinism or something.

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- Darwinism will continue to underpin the fabric of post-modern life, and explain why “evolution” determines whether you cheat on your spouse or don’t and why someone doubts a highly politicized science nostrum like second-hand smoke. Under Darwinism’s rule, that latter point will always be explained in terms of a brain function or glitch or genes or what supposedly helped cave ancestors survive. Real life explanations like: “I think claims about danger from second hand smoke are just a ploy to get kids away from smokes, and collect more fines from adults.” are not on the radar because Darwinism denies the reality of the mind.

You see,the fatal words are “I think.”

Can't argue with that last line, at least re O'Leary.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,03:40

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 06 2012,00:32)

From that master of turgid prose, KF:

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What is conspicuously absent from those who are latching on to such statistics on nominal Christianity coupled to a want of serious discipleship or even serious attempts at discipleship that struggle to overcome a widespread cultural influence sanctioned by leading voices and institutions that shape views and perceptions in profound ways, is the just as valid and longstanding pattern of life and community transformation by living relationship with God in the communion of the saints, across 2,000 years with millions of cases, down to today.

And:

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So also, above [and pardon if this post misses its proper place, I find the threading scheme a problem to work with . . . ], we have a case where evidence of just how corrosive evolutionary materialism and its wider influences through radical relativisation of thought and of morality are, has been transmuted into the false notion that serious living encounter with God through the risen Christ, the life transforming gospel, the indwelling and empowering of the poured our Spirit in the communion of the saints do not work.

I'm shocked/horrified to find I agree with k-flatus on something.

That threading scheme is indeed a bastard to work with.

But then it's not the job of intelligent design proponents to design anything intelligently

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,04:00

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Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 05 2012,12:57)

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blustering dumbshit

Joe:

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Well the Bible says the universe had a beginning- IOW the “God scenario” made a prediction that science verified.

The god "scenario"?? Hmm, does "scenario" qualify as a scientific or theological term? LOL

joe would say that taking a dump verifies his ~~god's~~ designer's existence.

Holy shit! :O

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,04:10

I just thought of something. Why do joe and the other IDiots trust science when it comes to the Big Bang (the posited beginning of the universe) but not when it comes to evolution? There's actually a lot more evidence for evolution than for the Big Bang.

Oh wait, in their delusional pea brains the Big Bang somehow supports their religious 'I ain't no ape!' insanity but evolution doesn't. Silly me.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,05:44

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 05 2012,07:17)

clive hayden is a stuffed cunt and i hope he gets fucked by a moose

YOU ARE A VERY SICK MAN.

BUT CLIVE "I'D GIVE GK CHESTERTON A BJ" HAYEN IS STILL A CUNT

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,05:54

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 06 2012,12:00)

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 05 2012,13:32)

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 05 2012,12:57)

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blustering dumbshit

Joe:

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Well the Bible says the universe had a beginning- IOW the “God scenario” made a prediction that science verified.

The god "scenario"?? Hmm, does "scenario" qualify as a scientific or theological term? LOL

joe would say that taking a dump verifies his ~~god's~~ designer's existence.

Holy shit! :O

is he talking about the placebo effect ?

or this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....mbedded

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,06:37

ars technica has a story on the "Life" Theory of Everything fiasco. Gyre away.

Erasmus, FCD

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,08:15

Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 06 2012,06:44)

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 05 2012,07:17)

clive hayden is a stuffed cunt and i hope he gets fucked by a moose

YOU ARE A VERY SICK MAN.

BUT CLIVE "I'D GIVE GK CHESTERTON A BJ" HAYEN IS STILL A CUNT

he is blumpkin, personified

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,10:17

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 06 2012,04:10)

I just thought of something. Why do joe and the other IDiots trust science when it comes to the Big Bang (the posited beginning of the universe) but not when it comes to evolution? There's actually a lot more evidence for evolution than for the Big Bang.

Oh wait, in their delusional pea brains the Big Bang somehow supports their religious 'I ain't no ape!' insanity but evolution doesn't. Silly me.

I don't think that they do trust science in this case. However, the Big Bang is easier to dismiss... "Seriously, where you there?"

They really are anti-science, they just can't admit it without looking like hypocritical luddites.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,12:34

Ah - a specific, risky prediction from kairosfocus

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We are now in the phase of revealing the absurdity and the clinging to ideology in the teeth of sound evidence and analysis. (And, contrary to the views of many, that is where something like UD is not a backwater, but the pivotal context for the debates that are playing out. For, there is a sea change coming, and it is going to have to be fought in the forum where the ideologically locked in magisterium cannot control what is going on. this is equivalent to Samizdat of the 1970s and 80s in Russia. Guess why the Russians exiled Solzhenitsyn, when they found his manuscript? Just one little voice of truth was too much for the system!)

And that is exactly where we are, in the life of this culture debate: the era before final collapse, when more and more people are going to wake up and realise they have been had.

Over the next ten years, it is going to get really interesting as the powers that be desperately try to stop the crumbling dam. they are going to find they have not got enough fingers to stop all the holes, and the holes are going to eat out the dam until, one morning, there will be an almighty roar, and the proud edifice will collapse.

Ten years from now, it will be over.

Now,where have I heard something similar before?....

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,12:44

Quote (damitall @ Feb. 06 2012,13:34)

Ah - a specific, risky prediction from kairosfocus

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We are now in the phase of revealing the absurdity and the clinging to ideology in the teeth of sound evidence and analysis. (And, contrary to the views of many, that is where something like UD is not a backwater, but the pivotal context for the debates that are playing out. For, there is a sea change coming, and it is going to have to be fought in the forum where the ideologically locked in magisterium cannot control what is going on. this is equivalent to Samizdat of the 1970s and 80s in Russia. Guess why the Russians exiled Solzhenitsyn, when they found his manuscript? Just one little voice of truth was too much for the system!)

And that is exactly where we are, in the life of this culture debate: the era before final collapse, when more and more people are going to wake up and realise they have been had.

Over the next ten years, it is going to get really interesting as the powers that be desperately try to stop the crumbling dam. they are going to find they have not got enough fingers to stop all the holes, and the holes are going to eat out the dam until, one morning, there will be an almighty roar, and the proud edifice will collapse.

Ten years from now, it will be over.

Now,where have I heard something similar before?....

i think kristine might have done it too on her blog but this is also a fave

http://chem.tufts.edu/Answers....se.html

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,13:08

Quote (damitall @ Feb. 06 2012,10:34)

Ah - a specific, risky prediction from kairosfocus

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We are now in the phase of revealing the absurdity and the clinging to ideology in the teeth of sound evidence and analysis. (And, contrary to the views of many, that is where something like UD is not a backwater, but the pivotal context for the debates that are playing out. For, there is a sea change coming, and it is going to have to be fought in the forum where the ideologically locked in magisterium cannot control what is going on. this is equivalent to Samizdat of the 1970s and 80s in Russia. Guess why the Russians exiled Solzhenitsyn, when they found his manuscript? Just one little voice of truth was too much for the system!)

And that is exactly where we are, in the life of this culture debate: the era before final collapse, when more and more people are going to wake up and realise they have been had.

Over the next ten years, it is going to get really interesting as the powers that be desperately try to stop the crumbling dam. they are going to find they have not got enough fingers to stop all the holes, and the holes are going to eat out the dam until, one morning, there will be an almighty roar, and the proud edifice will collapse.

Ten years from now, it will be over.

Now,where have I heard something similar before?....

Credit where it's due: Gordshite's first sentence is correct. UD is an object lesson in "revealing the absurdity and the clinging to ideology in the teeth of sound evidence and analysis."

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,14:07

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I'm particularly interested in which UD partisans venture out of the safe confines of UD and how they fare when they do. I know DaveScot didn't do too well when he didn't have the Banninator in hand. It would be entertaining to see Arrington or KF or Upright Biped have to operate on more neutral ground.

Then this should be a treat. Here several UD regulars, as well as others you know from AtBC, interact on the open savannah with no cover. Once again, it comes down to an extended and intense exchange between yours truly and StephenB, from which SB fled in the end.

I really enjoyed being in that discussion. I just wish Torley had stayed with the discussion longer.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,14:55

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Paul Nelson (Aug 8, 2002 4:58:47 PM) "Here's a prediction. Universal CD will be gasping for breath in two or three years, if not sooner." http://www.iscid.org/worksho....son.php accessed 1-26-05

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"In the next five years, molecular Darwinism -- the idea that Darwinian processes can produce complex molecular structures at the subcellular level -- will be dead. When that happens, evolutionary biology will experience a crisis of confidence because evolutionary biology hinges on the evolution of the right molecules. I therefore foresee a Taliban-style collapse of Darwinism in the next ten years." William Dembski, "The Measure of Design: A conversation about the past, present & future of Darwinism and Design." Touchstone, 17(6), pp. 60-65.p. 64. (2004)

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,15:44

A few hits from around the world on Gordo's blog is sufficient charge to keep his tin foil hat on for weeks:

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Let us do an empirical test, since we know that the usual anti ID sites monitor us closely, and have a very wide audience that is literally global. (I know that though the pattern of hits on my personal blog when these sites try to play rhetorical games with what I have had to say.)

Hardly. Nobody is playing rhetorical games with what you have to say. We're just taking the piss.

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Posted: Feb. 06 2012,15:56

Robert Byers, unwittingly helpful

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Do British people really contribute to the modern civilization or is over for the old ones.?
Creationism doesn’t need these people.

Thank the FSM. If we're not needed, please leave us alone.

Please.

(and can someone explain the context of his gays comment, before we start quote-mining him, please)

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