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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2021,19:41   

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a sudden onset life crisis.

My money is on one of his children coming out of the closet.

That might explain his turgid
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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2021,20:46   

Who’s going to run the pool? Wife left vs. gay kid/grandkid? Any other options? Who knows anything about making odds on such things?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2021,20:52   

Wait wait wait WAIT!!

What if Gordon E. Mullins of Montserrat, AKA GEM OF TKI, aka Kairosfocus, got caught in flagrante delicto with a live cock in his ass? Or his mouth? Whichever. Or both? In whichever order? That would be tons of fun! Who’s taking the bets??? OFFICE POOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLL!!!!!

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2021,21:14   

My money is on Joe and KF being caught in a long running homosexual relationship. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2021,05:28   

There’s also the possibility that a buddy got Covid, KF gave them Hydroxychloroquine, and the friend died.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2021,07:01   

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September 10, 2021 at 1:33 am
B and others thanks for well wishes, however, massive psychological pain is inherently part of what I have faced, sudden onset. I will try to contribute, but that is going to be a challenge. KF

PS: LCD, Gordon.


Yeah, I’m guessing gay grandkid.

Can you imagine how much typing he’s doing?  :p

Linky

Edited by stevestory on Sep. 10 2021,08:01

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2021,09:31   

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The classic example of this are dog breeds, which, left to themselves revert to a wolf-like animal. This is plain fact. The experiments have been carried out.



Firstly if they have wolves as rivals,they won’t survive long enough “to revert” to a wolf-like ,secondly they just can’t because they are defective wolves(genetically inferior -is called involution).


Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas?

Linky

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2021,10:19   

He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2021,14:00   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.








Edited by Dr.GH on Sep. 10 2021,12:02

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2021,15:01   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 10 2021,12:00)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.




I am so stealing that.

also... anything new on KF's vague-booking?
Is he waiting for people to ask "what's wrong?"

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2021,15:24   

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Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.




I am so stealing that.

also... anything new on KF's vague-booking?
Is he waiting for people to ask "what's wrong?"

I'm not asking. I am afraid he would tell me, in several thousand indecipherable words.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2021,07:29   

[quote=Dr.GH,Sep. 10 2021,14:00]  
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.


I cannot find them but IIRC the pictures C. Hunter used to demonstrate the similarities of wolves and  thylacines were much more convincing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2021,09:37   

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September 11, 2021 at 4:17 am
B, we all know the tainted intent of that 1/4 truth mischaracterisation. Yep, not even a half truth. Do you want to find yourself with negative credibility? Just keep on pushing that sort of agit prop stunt. KF

And the first sentence was a hyperlink to that bastion of scientific research, Ye Ole Dog (AKA Kairosfocus) of the Montserrat Reporter. Because, when I want accurate news, I always go to the Montserrat Reporter.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2021,00:45   

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Kairosfocus
September 10, 2021 at 1:33 am
B and others thanks for well wishes, however, massive psychological pain is inherently part of what I have faced, sudden onset. I will try to contribute, but that is going to be a challenge. KF

PS: LCD, Gordon.


Yeah, I’m guessing gay grandkid.

Can you imagine how much typing he’s doing?  :p

Linky

His father died recently. Although I disagree most of his ideas I feel sorry for his loss.

ETA: sorry. I just realised that the article was from 2017.

Edited by sparc on Sep. 12 2021,00:48

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2021,04:11   

Quote (sparc @ Sep. 11 2021,07:29)
[quote=Dr.GH,Sep. 10 2021,14:00]  
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.


I cannot find them but IIRC the pictures C. Hunter used to demonstrate the similarities of wolves and  thylacines were much more convincing.

You mean this?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2021,10:00   

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Earth to chuckdarwin- Nature can produce stones. Stones are the building blocks of Stonehenge. So by the “logic” of the naturalistic OoL, nature produced Stonehenge.

Also humans are not a who.

And this is one of his better arguments. I would laugh if it weren’t so pathetic.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2021,17:14   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 11 2021,23:11)
[quote=sparc,Sep. 11 2021,07:29]
Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 10 2021,14:00)
   
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.


I cannot find them but IIRC the pictures C. Hunter used to demonstrate the similarities of wolves and  thylacines were much more convincing.

You mean this?

Lots of dead links there.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2021,08:14   

[quote=Alan Fox,Sep. 12 2021,17:14]
Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 11 2021,23:11)
 
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 11 2021,07:29)
 
Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 10 2021,14:00)
     
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.


I cannot find them but IIRC the pictures C. Hunter used to demonstrate the similarities of wolves and  thylacines were much more convincing.

You mean this?

Lots of dead links there.

Oh good. You've found the Missing Link  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2021,11:20   

Quote (KevinB @ Sep. 13 2021,08:14)
[quote=Alan Fox,Sep. 12 2021,17:14]  
Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 11 2021,23:11)
 
Quote (sparc @ Sep. 11 2021,07:29)
   
Quote (Dr.GH @ Sep. 10 2021,14:00)
       
Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 10 2021,08:19)
He's saying that dogs are "defective wolves" because they've adapted to living around humans?

I'd say that's just adaptation to a different environment.


I cannot find them but IIRC the pictures C. Hunter used to demonstrate the similarities of wolves and  thylacines were much more convincing.

You mean this?

Lots of dead links there.

Oh good. You've found the Missing Link  :)

Oh no, it wasn't a thylacine after all, it was a missing lynx!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2021,08:37   

That was Ocelot of self Serval.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2021,08:59   

KF is back with just a “few notes”. 1252 words worth.
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September 19, 2021 at 5:39 am
F/N: I pause to come by, I think a few notes will perhaps help:

1] This thread long since drifted from the OP focus, “Lutheran religious studies prof asks, Is methodological naturalism racist?” . . . on creation of a hostile climate for Afro-Americans in a sub discipline otherwise attractive to them.

2] Methodological naturalism is arguably a question-begging imposition and ideological distortion of science away from seeking truth about the observable world informed by empirical evidence and reasoning reviewed by the community, into a priori imposition of evolutionary materialism as say Lewontin admitted.

3] That imposition leads to polarisation with the culture and with groups in it who are inclined to theism, so can indeed impose an institutional barrier to minorities inclined to theism.

4] However, the bigger issue is ideological captivity of science to evolutionary materialistic scientism used to further take the wider culture captive to radical secularist humanism and linked dubious policies and marches of folly and chaos.

5] Given known rhetorical patterns, it is unsurprising that the thread was rapidly diverted to more or less typical rhetoric targetting the heritage of Christendom, the Christian Faith and its main source documentation, the Bible. In particular, God is a moral monster and oh the documentation is dubious and the like.

6] As some of those raising such are long term objectors, they know these go beyond the proper focus of UD, and that if one genuinely seeks serious answers such can be found in other web venues where that is focal and backed by people with relevant advanced qualifications. So, the question of toxic, tainting distraction arises, implying that the original point from OP is on target but inconvenient.

7] Of course, repeated distraction of a leading blog on the design inference into debates on Bible etc opens the rhetorical inference that oh see this ID stuff is just Creationism dressed up in a cheap tuxedo etc. Thus there is intent to pose a dilemma, allow hostile accusations and tainting to pass unanswered or find oneself tainted as leading a fraudulent pseudoscientific agit prop campaign.

8] As those who tried to entrap Jesus over a woman caught in the act of adultery [where was the man?] soon discovered, this sort of entrapping, toxic false dilemma is a destructive fallacy that points rather to those who play such rhetorical cards.

9] Shortly before my ongoing life crisis, I had to address much the same tactic here at UD. The first thing is that as our weak argument correctives clearly and adequately document, the design inference stands on its own empirical merits, independent of any particular religious tradition or movement such as Biblical Creationism, old or young earth. Those who habitually resort to these tactics do so in the teeth of readily accessible correction and so are promoters of polarising falsehoods. Such must be corrected.

10] In outline, start with the known centrality of complex coded 4-state digital algorithmic information in the heart of the living cell. Language applied to computation using astonishing molecular nanotechnologies. There is no other empirically warranted source of such computational information but intelligently directed deeply knowledgeable contrivance and configuration. The inference to design is well warranted for the world of life from the cell on up.

11] Set that in the context of an observed cosmos — the only actually observed cosmos — that credibly began some 14 BYA, and which shows considerable fine tuning that supports C-chem, aqueous medium, cell based life. Start with the fine tuning to get to the element abundance pattern and related physics, chemistry, galactic and circumstellar habitable zones etc for such life. Cosmological design is a warranted empirically grounded inference. With again no reference to any particular traditions or movements.

12] Further to this, we can readily see that ciceronian first duties of reason are inescapable first principles of our morally governed rationality: to truth, to right reason, to prudence [including warrant], to sound conscience, to neighbour, so to fairness and justice, etc. The attempted objector will find himself unable to avoid appealing to what he would overthrow, and one attempting to prove will find herself similarly appealing to such duties at every step. These are start-points of rationality, indicating that moral government is foundational to a world with creatures such as we are.

13] So, it is highly reasonable to hold that the required necessary being root of a contingent cosmos and of whatever wider reality might be, is the inherently good and utterly wise creator God, a necessary and maximally great being. One worthy of loyalty and of the responsible, reasonable service of doing the good that accords with our evident, morally governed nature. Again, independent of particular religious traditions, indeed at core this is Plato and Cicero speaking with many others. It is reasonable to be an ethical theist, and sciences should not build in barriers to such.

14] But then, what of the Dawkins indictment and the like?

Dawkins, The God Delusion: “The God of the Old Testament [= The God of Israel . . . ] is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully . . . ” [Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, Great Britain: Bantam Press, 2006, 31. Kindly, see links and remarks in response at the just linked.]

15] This of course, comes from the same man who indicts those he targets as “ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked,” while failing to understand not only the blinding nature of out of control rage and vituperation, but that to argue on the binding nature of moral obligation one must have an adequate foundation for such binding moral obligation. After centuries of debates, it remains that there is only one such, the God of ethical theism. So, the commenters above are quite right to point out this fatal flaw in atheistical appeals to anti-God arguments from evil.

16] And that is before we note that 50 years ago now, Plantinga broke the back of the deductive argument from evil by showing that the theistic set is coherent. That’s why that argument and linked inductive arguments have lost much of their persuasive force. At least, with the reasonable and reasonably informed.

17] Next, there are considerable responses to the Dawkins accusation and the like that are readily accessible, if one is perplexed and seeks genuine answers. A 101 start is here on. (Where, we should note that the culture agenda target is to try to shame and silence those who adhere to the heritage of our Judaeo-Christian roots, opening the way to aggressive, essentially amoral secularisation and the nihilistic principle that might and manipulation make ‘right,’ ‘rights,’ ‘truth,’ ‘justice,’ ‘knowledge,’ ‘science,’ ‘history’ [= victory propaganda], ‘policy,’ ‘law,’ etc. Those caught up in this tide of accusation should be aware of what it leads to.)

18] As a start, try Copan here and in his writings. There are many others who have seriously tacked these themes such as William Lane Craig, e.g. here.

Coming back, it is clear that methodological naturalism as an imposition is not a legitimate epistemological principle of science, so it is unsurprising that it has pernicious effects. Going beyond, the distractions and associated accusations and false dilemmas have answers and we need to be aware of where some would take our civilisation. I doubt that many want to end up there.

KF


Edited by Lou FCD on Sep. 20 2021,03:43

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2021,05:30   

In the same thread, Lt Cmdr Data:
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This world is made by God to produce saints(to replace fallen angels) everything else is garbage.

So now we know the reason for our existence: the universe is an Angel breeding facility. Presumably God wants 42 of them.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2021,07:43   

How angelic

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2021,08:38   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 20 2021,05:30)
In the same thread, Lt Cmdr Data:
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This world is made by God to produce saints(to replace fallen angels) everything else is garbage.

So now we know the reason for our existence: the universe is an Angel breeding facility. Presumably God wants 42 of them.

And the claim that ID is just creationism in a cheap tuxedo is slander. Or, perhaps, blasphemy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2021,17:38   

On the Lutheran thread, kf writes, "My attenuated monitoring and eventual intervention above reflect a commitment to carry forward my remaining life purpose."

Sounds like perhaps he has been diagnosed with a terminal disease. I have a close relative in that boat, so I can be empathetic, no matter how extreme an ideologue kf is.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2021,20:48   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 20 2021,17:38)
On the Lutheran thread, kf writes, "My attenuated monitoring and eventual intervention above reflect a commitment to carry forward my remaining life purpose."

Sounds like perhaps he has been diagnosed with a terminal disease. I have a close relative in that boat, so I can be empathetic, no matter how extreme an ideologue kf is.

I agree. I have always had fun poking KF, but I would not wish anything negative for him or his family. In hope the best for him.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2021,17:56   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 20 2021,18:38)
On the Lutheran thread, kf writes, "My attenuated monitoring and eventual intervention above reflect a commitment to carry forward my remaining life purpose."

Sounds like perhaps he has been diagnosed with a terminal disease. I have a close relative in that boat, so I can be empathetic, no matter how extreme an ideologue kf is.

Still could be either of the earlier options. Depends on if we read “remaining” to refer to life or purpose, I suppose. As for the rest, I don’t wish death on nearly anyone, but some obituaries I read with more gusto than others. I won’t lose a moment’s sleep over the passing of people who deliberately work to hurt other people.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2021,20:14   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 21 2021,17:56)
Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 20 2021,18:38)
On the Lutheran thread, kf writes, "My attenuated monitoring and eventual intervention above reflect a commitment to carry forward my remaining life purpose."

Sounds like perhaps he has been diagnosed with a terminal disease. I have a close relative in that boat, so I can be empathetic, no matter how extreme an ideologue kf is.

Still could be either of the earlier options. Depends on if we read “remaining” to refer to life or purpose, I suppose. As for the rest, I don’t wish death on nearly anyone, but some obituaries I read with more gusto than others. I won’t lose a moment’s sleep over the passing of people who deliberately work to hurt other people.

True. But I think that KF honestly believes he is doing good when, in fact, he is hurting others.

Joe, on the other hand, enjoys hurting others.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2021,19:19   

Huge Sandstone Camel Sculptures In Saudi Arabia Are Much Older Than Thought

 
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At 7,000–8,000 years old, they predate the domestication of camels (so far as we know). Ancient people get smarter every time we run into them.


Who wants to point out they also predate Teh Creation by GOD The Intelligent Designer?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2021,09:11   

That also predates da Flud  :p

  
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