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DaveRAFinn Posts: 15 Joined: April 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,16:24    A Layman’s Guide to Evolution Evolution is an essential, natural process like photosynthesis, eating and reproducing. Organisms that fail to adapt to changing circumstances become as extinct as those that fail to fund sustenance or fail to reproduce. There are three and only three conditions required for active goal-directed evolution:      1) There must be, at the time of evolution, a perceptible local indication of the advantageous direction to evolution that can act as a stimulus.      2) There must be a possible response behavior by the organism that will move its genome in the beneficial direction.      3) The circumstances must occur with sufficient frequency for those organisms with the appropriate response to the stimulus to be preferentially successful. There are several natural situations where these conditions are met. The most important, and most easily understood, arises as a result of changes in the environment. Where there are two species in the same environment, one of which is thriving and the other failing there is a perceptible direction for the failing species. The success of the thriving species is a consequence of it having a genome more suited to the environment and therefore movement by the failing organism toward the genome of the thriving species is likely to be beneficial. Note that it will frequently be true that a thriving organism has a genetic mechanism to neutralise a local toxin or release a local resource. There is a mechanism, lateral gene transfer, by which a failing species can acquire portions of the genome of a successful species. (This is known to be predominantly a behavior of stressed species and thriving species are frequently profligate in genetic material). This situation arises with sufficient frequency for the required stimulus response mechanisms to be reinforced. Evolution of species is the consequence of numerous environmental changes which disturb the relative ranking of species and are followed by attempts by those species placed at the bottom of the heap to reposition themselves by acquisition of the genetic quirks that have placed those currently at the top of the heap in that position. Hence the general trend toward complexity. Neo-Darwinism is unnecessary and irrelevant. If you have doubts about this look at the data, go and check the distribution of genes. A particularly interesting example concerns those genes acquired by humans since they diverged from the other ape families. According to neo-Darwinian theory these should be found only in humans whereas many are also found elsewhere, especially in coral. And if you are puzzled why it is coral with these genes go and read up aquatic ape theory and note that coral is an indicator species for climate change. Sounds good to me.

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,16:38    Fascinating. Human acquired genes from coral while swimming in reefs? This should be even better than GoP's guts-to-gametes bluff! -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,16:57    Quote A particularly interesting example concerns those genes acquired by humans since they diverged from the other ape families. Genes acquired? I thought our genes are modified copies of those of our ancestors, just as those of other apes are also modified copies of those of our common ancestry. Henry

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,17:34    I think that you should immediately post your ground-breaking paradigm-shattering news at Uncommon Descent Blog. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,17:40    Quote (J-Dog @ Nov. 15 2007,17:34) I think that you should immediately post your ground-breaking paradigm-shattering news at Uncommon Descent Blog. I agree with the Caveman.  You'll find a more receptive audience at UD.  It's a closed minded community here, nothing but darwin worshipping stalinists.  At UD you find the big tent where ideas are shared and discussed openly and without prejudice. The aquatic ape theory sounds very compatible with the theory of intelligent design.  Eerily similar even.  You're clearly onto something but the darwinists will have nothing to do with it.  Trust me, I know. William Dembski will be interested in your insight.  I think one of the admins at UD, dave scot, has even written about coral DNA before. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,19:23    Wow, that looks like FUN! I'm going to pick a science and make up a new theory too.   But which science? Hmmm. I know, chemistry! Well, I'm going to keep atoms around in my theory because I don't doubt physics very much. Except I've got my own thoughts on electron shells and valence and all that miserable stuff, which I will describe shortly. Which prompts me to replace the periodic table with a continuous table, and introduce overdraft protection into the process of balancing equations. Plus I'm getting rid of organic chemistry altogether, because it is too hard. I should have it ready by morning. Louis, you're going to be out of a job. Sorry about that. Hey, guys, let's all pick sciences and make up new theories!  C'mon! -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Venus Mousetrap Posts: 201 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,19:56    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 15 2007,19:23) Wow, that looks like FUN! I'm going to pick a science and make up a new theory too.   But which science? Hmmm. I know, chemistry! Well, I'm going to keep atoms around in my theory because I don't doubt physics very much. Except I've got my own thoughts on electron shells and valence and all that miserable stuff, which I will describe shortly. Which prompts me to replace the periodic table with a continuous table, and introduce overdraft protection into the process of balancing equations. Plus I'm getting rid of organic chemistry altogether, because it is too hard. I should have it ready by morning. Louis, you're going to be out of a job. Sorry about that. Hey, guys, let's all pick sciences and make up new theories!  C'mon! creationists have beaten you to that too. www.commonsensescience.org They have actually produced some plausible scienceness (I read a paper of theirs before they took them down) but still can't quite do it without mentioning jesus. someone should point batshit77 to this stuff, he'd appreciate it. Apparently the judeo-christian worldview predicts a load of stuff and is the best way to do science, instead of going against common sense and introducing 'randomness' like science does. when are these dicks going to learn that science is the opposite of common sense?

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2007,20:01    Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Nov. 15 2007,20:56) Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 15 2007,19:23) Wow, that looks like FUN! I'm going to pick a science and make up a new theory too.   But which science? Hmmm. I know, chemistry! Well, I'm going to keep atoms around in my theory because I don't doubt physics very much. Except I've got my own thoughts on electron shells and valence and all that miserable stuff, which I will describe shortly. Which prompts me to replace the periodic table with a continuous table, and introduce overdraft protection into the process of balancing equations. Plus I'm getting rid of organic chemistry altogether, because it is too hard. I should have it ready by morning. Louis, you're going to be out of a job. Sorry about that. Hey, guys, let's all pick sciences and make up new theories!  C'mon! creationists have beaten you to that too. Whaddya mean, "too?"  Huh? Huh? Huh? *pokes Venus in chest* -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,02:34    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 16 2007,01:23) Wow, that looks like FUN! I'm going to pick a science and make up a new theory too.   But which science? Hmmm. I know, chemistry! Well, I'm going to keep atoms around in my theory because I don't doubt physics very much. Except I've got my own thoughts on electron shells and valence and all that miserable stuff, which I will describe shortly. Which prompts me to replace the periodic table with a continuous table, and introduce overdraft protection into the process of balancing equations. Plus I'm getting rid of organic chemistry altogether, because it is too hard. I should have it ready by morning. Louis, you're going to be out of a job. Sorry about that. Hey, guys, let's all pick sciences and make up new theories!  C'mon! Out of a job? {sound of door flapping} {sound of redundancy cheque being cashed} {sound of Louis sprinting to the pub} {sound of drinking} Louis P.S. I have a quantum theory of washing up ownership in communal houses. The particle which transfers the force of ownership is the buckon. The passing of the buckon is the ownodynamic process by which washing up ownership superpositions are collapsed. The buckon is theorised to be relevant to politics and other social systems too. I've just revolutionised the social sciences. All those statistical models and research are unneccessary. -------------- Bye.

BWE Posts: 1902 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,02:44    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 16 2007,02:34) P.S. I have a quantum theory of washing up ownership in communal houses. The particle which transfers the force of ownership is the buckon. The passing of the buckon is the ownodynamic process by which washing up ownership superpositions are collapsed. The buckon is theorised to be relevant to politics and other social systems too. I've just revolutionised the social sciences. All those statistical models and research are unneccessary. Good, I'm sick and tired of Max Weber: Quote In his own words: On sociology: "Sociology . . . is a science concerning itself with the interpretive understanding of social action and thereby with a causal explanation of its course and consequences.  We shall speak of 'action' insofar as the acting individual attaches a subjective meaning to his behavior--be it overt or covert, omission or acquiescence.  Action is 'social' insofar as its subjective meaning takes account of the behavior of others and is thereby oriented in its course" (1921/1968, p.4). "Within the realm of social conduct one finds factual regularities, that is, courses of action which, with a typically identical meaning, are repeated by the actors or simultaneously occur among numerous actors.  It is with such types of conduct that sociology is concerned, in contrast to history, which is interested in the causal connections of important, i.e., fateful, single events (1921/1968). "An ideal type is formed by the one-sided accentuation of one or more points of view and by the synthesis of a great many diffuse, discrete, more or less present and occasionally absent concrete individual phenomena, which are arranged according to those one-sidedly emphasized viewpoints into a unified analytical construct. . . . In its conceptual purity, this mental construct . . . cannot be found empirically anywhere in reality" (1903-1917/1949, p. 90). Link** -------------- Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered When wished on the morning star Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it Look what it's done so far The Daily Wingnut

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2007,21:43    Quote Which prompts me to replace the periodic table with a continuous table, It's elementary! Quote and introduce overdraft protection To avoid compound interest? Henry

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2007,13:46    Quote Genes acquired? I thought our genes are modified copies of those of our ancestors, just as those of other apes are also modified copies of those of our common ancestry. You just don't go to the right car boot sales. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

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