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Question: Religion Poll :: Total Votes:87 Poll choices Votes Statistics christian (the bible is 100% literal truth) 1  [1.15%] christian (not completely literal) 10  [11.49%] jewish 0  [0.00%] islam 0  [0.00%] buddhist 4  [4.60%] hindu 0  [0.00%] unitarian 0  [0.00%] wiccan/pagan/druid/new age 3  [3.45%] agnostic (I don't think we can know about a god) 16  [18.39%] atheist (I don't see any reason to believe in a god) 53  [60.92%] Guests cannot vote

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Crabby Appleton Posts: 250 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,08:49    Ickthyick, much as I'd like to be able to say that we could aurically augment DDTTD with an EZ Quick-Implant Brain Wipe, it just doesn't work that way. Although DDTTD has a good handle on Mockery Science, Schizophreniatrics, Disto-Utopianity and Facetiouism, there are many other areas where he's too far gone in his pinkishness to ever recover, even were he to recieve the kiss of Dobbs. I'm afraid that DDTTD's only hope is the Stark Fist of Removal and Resurrection BUT, he can be reassured by the fact that if he can afford a Beech King Air, he can CERTAINLY afford to achieve TRUE SLACKERY. I'm pleased to say that I know the Reverend Spanky Lovelace, who leads the faithful of the KCMO Clench and have forwarded DDTTD's particulars to him. Please send me your contributions so we can buy DDTTD a pipe and set him on the path that leads to ACTION -- THRILLS -- SUCCESS IN SEX AND BUSINESS GUARANTEED! Remember, Bob is a bulwark against the unbearable fear and anxiety tormenting mankind and the only TRUE short cut to SLACK!

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,09:12    Quote Please send me your contributions so we can buy DDTTD a pipe and set him on the path that leads to ACTION -- THRILLS -- SUCCESS IN SEX AND BUSINESS GUARANTEED! all my capital has already been invested in maximizing my potential for slack, as Bob intended. Of course, all my dreams have come true. I'm truly living la vida loca! -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,19:54    I'm kind of amazed by these results. I didn't expect atheists/agnostics to comprise 80% of the community. No wonder I like it here so much.

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,20:09    Oookay, so I voted as "atheist," due to my having sold my soul (for a heck of a great deal, including a lime green El Camino) to the one true lard Athe, but I notice there is no choice of "Elvis," which would be the most appropriate definition of my faith. I mean, why do you think I come here?!? It ain't evolution, it's Elvislution. Together we can defeat the forces of the anti-Elvislutionists, and it ain't just Micheal J. Fox any more! William Dembski has no Elvis in him. DaveScot has no Elvis in him. Elvis might be in afDave, but he's trying to get out! He's trying to get out, Davey!! Let the pink-gelled light of Elvis break through to you, afDave!! Come on, sing it with me!! Elvis is everywhere!! Elvis is everything!! Elvis is everybody!! Elvis is still The King!!

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,20:30    Elvis IS everywhere... http://www.uncoveror.com/elvites.htm -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Crabby Appleton Posts: 250 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,21:56    Quote (clamboy @ June 11 2006,01:09) Elvis might be in afDave, but he's trying to get out! He's trying to get out, Davey!! Let the pink-gelled light of Elvis break through to you, afDave!! Come on, sing it with me!! Elvis is everywhere!! Elvis is everything!! Elvis is everybody!! Elvis is still The King!! No, no NO! clamboy. Mojo Nixon is mistaken when he claims Elvis is KING. Living Colour refuted that premise on Time's Up. Mojo is a follower of Bob, he just doesn't know it yet. Screamin' Jay Hawkins, Bo Diddley and Elvis were Apostles before the light ever hit Mojo on his reversed retina. DDTTD has NO Elvis in him. If Elvis was in DDTTD would you blame him for wanting out?

Crabby Appleton Posts: 250 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,22:04    Steve are you big boned?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,22:32    No, not big boned. 6', 235, I'm a little on the fat side (a case of beer a day will do that to you) but not big boned. My natural weight is probably around 185. Since I quit chain smoking 9 mos ago, I gained about 20 lbs. lol a friend of mine has a neologism, "Steve Chain-Smoking". That's when you light more than 2 cigs off each other in a row. That's a thing of the past, so far. MMMM, but the Camels were so yummy....

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2006,22:44    edit: removed personal stuff

Nebogipfel Posts: 47 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2006,23:07    Quote (stephenWells @ June 06 2006,18:48) I voted on the Agnostic category, but was torn between that and non-literal Christian. I'm with Ben Franklin: good moral code, shame about the religion. What he said If you'd put Humanist in the list, I would have voted for that.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2006,05:09    Quote (Nebogipfel @ June 12 2006,04:07) Quote (stephenWells @ June 06 2006,18:48) I voted on the Agnostic category, but was torn between that and non-literal Christian. I'm with Ben Franklin: good moral code, shame about the religion. What he said If you'd put Humanist in the list, I would have voted for that. Yeah, why wasn't 'Wicked Secular Humanist' one of the choices?   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2006,20:14    Quote (Crabby Appleton @ June 06 2006,21:59) Oh sure, blame it on the software that you have no entry for THE ONE TRUE RELIGION! I speak, of course, of the Church of the Subgenius. Prepare yourselves for The Stark Fist of Removal. Wait—I thought the ONE TRUE CHURCH was the Church of God the Fairly Competent. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

Crabby Appleton Posts: 250 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 13 2006,21:36    Quote (ericmurphy @ June 13 2006,01:14) Wait—I thought the ONE TRUE CHURCH was the Church of God the Fairly Competent. Eric, did you found a new church?

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2006,12:13    I think that this deserves a bump.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,14:14    Yeah, while Wes might disagree, I think this tells us interesting things about the PT/AtBC readership. Certainly surprised me.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,14:51    Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2006,19:14) Yeah, while Wes might disagree, I think this tells us interesting things about the PT/AtBC readership. Certainly surprised me. What did you find surprising? It went pretty much as I expected, except for the zero Jewish vote.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,14:58    I would have guessed roughly literal christian - 5% sane christian - 40% jew - 5% agnostic - 25% atheist - 25% buddhist/new age/wicca/etc ~1% muslim 0%

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,15:03    Quote (stevestory @ July 05 2006,19:58) I would have guessed roughly literal christian - 5% sane christian - 40% jew - 5% agnostic - 25% atheist - 25% buddhist/new age/wicca/etc ~1% muslim 0% Wow! You surprise me. I thought it was very plain that the majority on this board are non-religious. I would be surprised if the anti-religious did not outnumber the religious (by which I mean theist).

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,15:16    Actually, I'm wondering who the Druid is. -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,15:20    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ July 05 2006,20:03) Wow! You surprise me. I thought it was very plain that the majority on this board are non-religious. I would be surprised if the anti-religious did not outnumber the religious (by which I mean theist). Anti-religous?  Hmmmm, I don't consider myself anti-religous, merely anti-extremist.   -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 05 2006,15:38    Quote (MidnightVoice @ July 05 2006,20:20) Quote (Stephen Elliott @ July 05 2006,20:03) Wow! You surprise me. I thought it was very plain that the majority on this board are non-religious. I would be surprised if the anti-religious did not outnumber the religious (by which I mean theist). Anti-religous?  Hmmmm, I don't consider myself anti-religous, merely anti-extremist.   LOL. Touche!

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,13:33    Quote (Tim @ June 09 2006,06:56) Strong atheism, sometimes called positive atheism, hard atheism or gnostic atheism, is the philosophical position that no deity exists. It is a form of explicit atheism, meaning that it consciously rejects theism. It is contrasted with weak atheism, which is the lack or absence of belief in deities, without the additional claim that deities do not exist. The strong atheist positively asserts, at the very least, that no deities exist, and may go further and claim that the existence of certain deities is logically impossible. There is a third category, though -- what I refer to as an "evangelical atheist" or a "fundamentalist atheist". They not only make the positive claim that there are no gods, but they will not rest until no one ELSE believes in them, either. Like their counterparts, the fundie theists, they simply cannot tolerate anyone having religious opinions different from theirs. I think we've all met one or two people like that . . . . . -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,13:58    Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2006,03:32) No, not big boned. 6', 235, I'm a little on the fat side (a case of beer a day will do that to you) but not big boned. My natural weight is probably around 185. Since I quit chain smoking 9 mos ago, I gained about 20 lbs. Geez, I'm 5'6 and 135 lbs, dripping wet.  Didn't smoke (well, at least not tobacco), but sure put away an awful lot of beer in my lifetime (I still brew my own). Of course, being scrawny and having a big mouth can be a dangerous combination.    But as a kid I never lost a fight --- I was always faster than everyone else, and was always able to dart around behind them, jump on their back, and choke them till they passed out. Since then, I've studied quite a bit of medieval weaponry, and am pretty efficient with a longsword, and absolutely lethal with a  rapier.   -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,14:25    Quote but they will not rest until no one ELSE believes in them, either. Until recently I wouldn't have agreed with you. I thought when people said 'we need to encourage more critical thinking to defeat creaitionism' I thought they meant in the sense of better science teaching. But everyone I've heard use the phrase recently actually means, 'if we could just make everyone into secular humanists this problem would go away'. If I was religious I would feel pretty insulted and patronised.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,15:00    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ July 06 2006,18:58) Quote (stevestory @ June 11 2006,03:32) No, not big boned. 6', 235, I'm a little on the fat side (a case of beer a day will do that to you) but not big boned. My natural weight is probably around 185. Since I quit chain smoking 9 mos ago, I gained about 20 lbs. Geez, I'm 5'6 and 135 lbs, dripping wet.  Didn't smoke (well, at least not tobacco), but sure put away an awful lot of beer in my lifetime (I still brew my own). Of course, being scrawny and having a big mouth can be a dangerous combination.    But as a kid I never lost a fight --- I was always faster than everyone else, and was always able to dart around behind them, jump on their back, and choke them till they passed out. Since then, I've studied quite a bit of medieval weaponry, and am pretty efficient with a longsword, and absolutely lethal with a  rapier.   OT: I am pretty certain that a rapier is not a medieval weapon.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,15:14    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ July 06 2006,20:00) OT: I am pretty certain that a rapier is not a medieval weapon. Depends on definitions.   Most authorities define "medieval" as the period from 1000 CE to 1450 CE. The first written references to "espada ropera", the Spanish dress sword that became the rapier, is from 1475. However, these sort of straight, unedged, sharp-pointed thrusting swords (and the technqiues for using them) were already established before then. But it is true that the rapier style of fighting did not really hit its peak until the middle of the 16th century, during Renaissance times. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,15:26    Yep, definitions can make all the difference. But generally IIRC rapiers became popular after full plate armour became obsolete. Which is pretty much after the medieval period. Although once again, it is not a definite rule. Personally I would class rapiers as renaissance.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,15:46    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ July 06 2006,20:26) Yep, definitions can make all the difference. But generally IIRC rapiers became popular after full plate armour became obsolete. Which is pretty much after the medieval period. Although once again, it is not a definite rule. Personally I would class rapiers as renaissance. Well, Renaissance works for me.  (shrug) But it isn't true that they were the result of plate armor going out of use.  There were always thrusting swords that were specifically designed to be inserted between the joints of plate armor, and these were the ancestors of the rapier. The true rapiers, in any case, weren't designed to be used in military conflict.  They were dress swords worn by the nobility and aristocracy, and used almost exclusively for judicial (or private extrajudicial) duels, and for self-defense against street criminals. And since no one clanked around in medieval cities wearing plate armor, there was no need for such a sword to be able to defeat plate, even during the time that plate was still being used on the battlefield. Indeed, the Spanish continued to use armored breastplates in battle well into the 17th century.  Until then, most firearms weren't able to penetrate a good plate armor  -- armored breastplates were tested against musket balls, the resulting dent indicating that it was "proof against bullets", or "bulletproof". -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2006,17:44    I must admit that I was thinking of the military use. Yes pointed weapons where used against full plate armour. But hardly rapier like weapons they tended to be much "heavier". I guess we would need to agreee about what we mean by the term "rapier". For me i think of it as a long slender weapon. Best used in point atacks against an unarmoured foe. Medieval weapons being much heavier/robust. EDIT: Of course I could be completely wrong, my roleplay is strictly the 1600s and I just carry a huge stick/pike and try to knock-over any oposition.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 07 2006,01:25    Well, they had to be heavier, since they were battlefield weapons being used against armor. I suspect this is another of those "definition" thingies, though.   -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

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