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Science lacks the ability to destroy. That capacity belongs to man. The horrors rendered by scientific discovery tend to be horrors consciously perpetrated on the bulk of civilisation by financiers of corporate entities. Think Pinto, Nitrogen inputs into farming, Military industrial complex- oh, those are all the same. Right. Inthe old days, the rubes killed the boss's enemy in the name of god. Now we justify killing innocent people, poisoning Earth and lying to our children in the name of god AND country for truth, justice and the [insert country here] way. But it's a hel! of a lot harder without god. Some horrors are accidental but most are not.
|Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Mar. 12 2007,09:19)|
|Mr. Eagleton compared Mr. Dawkins’s volubility about religion’s vast wrongs with his silence “on the horrors that science and technology have wreaked on humanity” and the good that religion has produced. |
Budda is not god. Your argument doesn't work without Buddha. In the name of god, only falsehoods driven home through indoctrination survive the test of time.
|“In a book of almost 400 pages, he can scarcely bring himself to concede that a single human benefit has flowed from religious faith, a view which is as a priori improbable as it is empirically false,” Mr. Eagleton wrote. “The countless millions who have devoted their lives selflessly to the service of others in the name of Christ or Buddha or Allah are wiped from human history and this by a self-appointed crusader against bigotry.” |
No. Utterly wrong. First, he most lilely refers to stalin and mao, perhaps kmer rouge and some other smaller dictators. Aside from the fact that Stalin actually professed to be a christian, they were not substantially worse than christian or muslim autocrats. Think Hitler (christian) Charlemaign (Holy Roman Emperor- christian) ,[c&ped but I just closed the page and so, if you wish to find it, search the folloing in google] David Koresh, James Jones, Timothy McVeigh, Joseph Mengele, the people who brought you the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition, the people who firebomb school buses in northern Ireland, The Ku Klux Klan are devoutly Christian;" think about that kind of thing and see if you can use the same word to describe Priestly, Mother Theresa, Um, what was the third christian that did something good? ANyway Priestly wasn't strictly a xian unless you follow AFDave's definition. Muslim list: all the crazy bastards over there who think it's ok to stone people to death, et. al.
|In Mr. Orr’s view, “No decent person can fail to be repulsed by the sins committed in the name of religion,” but atheism has to be held to the same standard: “Dawkins has a difficult time facing up to the dual fact that (1) the 20th century was an experiment in secularism; and (2) the result was secular evil, an evil that, if anything, was more spectacularly virulent than that which came before.” |
Because people kill for god, sex and money. Knocking the other two off the list leads to other problems.
|Finally, these critics stubbornly rejected the idea that rational meant scientific. “The fear of religion leads too many scientifically minded atheists to cling to a defensive, world-flattening reductionism,” Mr. Nagel wrote. |
|Nagel echoes a fear I've always had about militantly secular societies. I've noticed that formally atheistic governments can be every bit as violent and oppressive as theocracies, and that secular societies usually replace religious with political dogma. Given that people seem to have a need to be a part of something larger than their own identities, isn't it dangerous to quash the religious impulse in the human heart? And what effect, if any, does it have on society's ethics? Many people seem to need an incentive to act morally.|
Really? You've noticed? It sort of popped into your field of vision? Whaaaaat? Where were you when you noticed this? Was it like noticing that the sun came out from behind a cloud? Funny, I'm not an atheist but I can't call willingly perpetuating a demostrably falsifiable idea through militant indoctrination a good thing. TYhat is what both xian and islam are. Nothing more, nothing less. It's wrong and it leads people into evil (hurting other people on purpose) without even knowing it. If you were a global warming denier, it would be because you are woefully ignorant of climate modeling science and that someone told you to follow the well-worn rut in your brain of ignoring evidence and believing your priests. Not that global warming is everything the MSM says it is either. But the SCIENCE isn't wrong. And, if you want to understand it, learn the science or ask someone who knows it. But don't then accuse the person you asked of lying. Religion -dogmatic religion anyway- intentionally carried a lie from one generation to another. THat is evil all by itself.
THere is also a meta question about relpacing one addiction with another
Who said that ev'ry wish would be heard and answered
When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far
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