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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2021,01:57   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Feb. 24 2021,12:54)
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Perhaps he accidentally changed his keyboard to a French layout, and can't change it back.

Point of information. There's no key for guillemets on a French «Azerty» computer keyboard, though there is a new French «Azerty amélioré» keyboard standard for Windows where they appear as first choice on the keys for zero and nine.

Ah, thanks. We're closing in with our design inference.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2021,03:31   

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February 22, 2021 at 1:42 am
i don’t understand is, where all the Darwinian self-confidence comes from…

Not only in regards to OOL-research, but in general. Every new Darwinian scientific paper on evolution/genetics starts with a statement that it is “other than thought, more important than previously thought, earlier than thought, more complex than thought and so on … “.

Or this ‘JUNK”-DNA stuff… Each Darwinian claim sooner or later turned out to be wrong …

I really don’t understand where all the Darwinian self-confidence comes from …


I don’t get it...how come all the experts aren’t worried about our devastating analysis... :(

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2021,03:35   

I posted that a few days ago but I keep coming back to it because it reminds me of this Facebook discussion group called “conservatives so close to getting it”  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2021,07:37   

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Sounds like they're confusing problems with technical details, with problems with the overall concepts.

Yup. When biologists agree, evolution is an Atheist Conspiracy; when they don't, it's a Theory In Crisis.

Well absence of evidence of a conspiracy is more than the simple requirement of proof of same for the truly deluded. Where there is that absence of a conspiracy to suppress the self evident...it's a conspiracy..shall I digress behind the 4th wall...
oblique punctuation mark ....mirror of GoGo-Gimpo-Gordo-discusto-matron living off the sad bent vicar's snivelling pan handling begged shillings from the backs of the judged single mothers of manjack heights in Port-au-Prince    .....Oh wait it's not that bad on Montserrat.
Sadly he's a truly only a sad cunt.

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Alan Fox



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2021,08:32   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 24 2021,20:57)
Quote (Alan Fox @ Feb. 24 2021,12:54)
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Perhaps he accidentally changed his keyboard to a French layout, and can't change it back.

Point of information. There's no key for guillemets on a French «Azerty» computer keyboard, though there is a new French «Azerty amélioré» keyboard standard for Windows where they appear as first choice on the keys for zero and nine.

Ah, thanks. We're closing in with our design inference.

I'm sure there are analogies to be drawn with the failure of other keyboards to displace the Qwerty and evolution, ID, purifying selection and the struggle alternative paradigms have to make it big.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2021,09:12   

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Quote (Henry J @ Feb. 22 2021,18:59)
Sounds like they're confusing problems with technical details, with problems with the overall concepts.

Yup. When biologists agree, evolution is an Atheist Conspiracy; when they don't, it's a Theory In Crisis.

Well absence of evidence of a conspiracy is more than the simple requirement of proof of same for the truly deluded. Where there is that absence of a conspiracy to suppress the self evident...it's a conspiracy..shall I digress behind the 4th wall...
oblique punctuation mark ....mirror of GoGo-Gimpo-Gordo-discusto-matron living off the sad bent vicar's snivelling pan handling begged shillings from the backs of the judged single mothers of manjack heights in Port-au-Prince    .....Oh wait it's not that bad on Montserrat.
Sadly he's a truly only a sad cunt.

I'm sure he's happier in Montserrat than he was in Jamaica.

Big-fish-little-pond effect

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2021,12:08   

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February 26, 2021 at 10:35 am
Kairosfocus,

>> In short, conscience.<>Of course, you imagine that conscience is socialised, that we are at birth tabula rasa, morally speaking — born amoral. Any adult who recognises that children from very early show moral struggle will reconsider that.>>

2. I never said that a newborn was a tabula rasa. They have a functioning brain with many reflexes built-in. But, yes, they are born amoral. Do you have any links to newborns showing moral struggles, or is this just one of your many unsupported beliefs?

3. Newborns have some very basic desires. Food, warmth, touch, etc. I doubt very much if they have any moral conclusions about lying, stealing, same-sex-attraction, premarital sex.

>>The onward implications of amorality, radical relativism and emotivism speak, too.>>

4. What does it speak to? All I have said is that our morality is something that develops as we grow and is the result of learning, repetition, negative and positive feedback etc.

<<For example, if we are tabula rasa at birth, why the high dudgeon over those conditioned to think slavery may be a misfortune but it is an ages old universal, perfectly legal institution, or that people of colour happen not to have faced the severe selection pressure that makes Aryans a superior breed [marked by skin colour conducive to harvesting vitamin D], or that the superior has a right to eliminate the unfit and along the way to subjugate and use such as a forced labour workforce.<>The amorality speaks for itself and its absurdity refutes it.>>

6. Not if morality is something develops and changes as we grow.

>> i repeat the regrettably real test case, with amplification: it is self-evidently evil to kidnap, bind, gag, sexually assault and murder a young black [v dark skinned in fact] child for one’s pleasure.>>

7. Really? Do you have any evidence that a newborn believes this? Or is it not more likely that our view of kidnapping and torture of the innocent is something that we can easily reason for ourselves based on our need to live amongst other people? The fact that you think that you need some universal objective moral value to draw the conclusion that kidnapping and torturing a child speaks volumes. And not in your favour. Remind me not to allow you near my granddaughter.

>>Nominalism, having explained away morality and overlooked the monstrous absurdity, one dismisses duty as a label for a psycho-socially conditioned guilt feeling.>>

8. No, guilt is real, and I believe that we are born with the capacity for guilt. However, what triggers a guilt response is the result of conditioning. If a young child never receives negative feedback for lying, they would never develop a feeling of guilt when they lie. Keeping in mind that this feedback is often very subtle and not black-and-white.

>>An attempt to duck having to explain away how a particularly common delusion can be pivotal to our thriving as social creatures.>>

9. Our moral values being the result of conditioning does not make them delusional. My parents and teachers and friends instilled in me the value of being honest. Because I live amongst other people, it provides a benefit to me. However, if I grew up alone, with no interaction with others, can you state with certainty that I would feel any guilt about lying to someone on the rare occasion that I interact with them?

>>Defensive projection by hasty, reckless generalisation.>>

10. Is it a generalization? I assume that you have children. Did they ever lie to you? Did they ever take a cookie without permission? Did your father every punish you for lying or for taking something without permission?

>>Notice, the appeal to first duties of reason. Sorry, that’s your potty training speaking, or else it is a sign of the precise inescapability you would dismiss.>>

11. Yes, I am appealing to your ability to reason, in spite of little evidence supporting it. I guess I am a hopeful individual.

>>You clearly are unaware of dutiful children who strive to be good and true beyond whatever forces may obtain in their surroundings.>>

12. As are you. An intelligent child quickly learns that they can benefit from pleasing their parents. And how do you please your parents? You publicly display the behaviours that they have taught you are good and avoid public behaviours that they consider to be bad. The Eddie Haskell approach.

>>Confirming the potty training fallacy in action.>>

13. Are you suggesting that learned behaviours can’t become deeply entrenched in our psyche? Even to the point where they can trigger feelings of guilt or shame? All of the experts disagree with you.

>>And again. Rather, it is hard to resist fashionable fallacies even when long past sell-by dates, but a responsible thinker will do so regardless of the determined voyage of folly.>>

14. What fashionable fallacies are your referring to? I suspect that they involve any opinion that differs from yours. Was equality for women a fashionable fallacy? How about inter-racial relationships? Inter-faith relationships? What about equality of opportunity for homosexuals? What about same sex marriage?

>>Of course, we yet again see appeals to first duties, with locus of failure to heed such projected to the other.>>

15. Calling something a first duty does not make it an objective duty/rule/obligation/requirement. Your appeal to what you refer to as your “first duties” is not a proof.

>>The self-referential incoherence should be manifest. Psychologism attempting to explain away morality as conditioning of children refutes itself.>>

16. Putting “ism” at the end of a word is a cheap and lame attempt to undermine an argument. And I have already stated that the sense that we label “morality” is real. Once we have a deeply entrenched moral value, it is very difficult for us to go against it. It has also been shown that doing so can cause very real and measurable mental and physical distress. What is up for discussion is how these individual values become “entrenched”.

17. Most western women would feel deep shame if they were caught topless in public. For them, not being nude in public is a deeply held moral value. However, most would not feel the same shame about wearing bikini at a beach. Something that would have been scandalous a century ago.

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18. Numbering your sentences doesn’t make your arguments any more sound.
LOL

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2021,12:11   

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February 26, 2021 at 11:44 am

Kairosfocus: my argument clearly was that first duties are self evident by inescapability, which latter you inadvertently showed. Thus, sound reasoning will lead there.

While I do appreciate and applaud all of you who are continuing to attempt to get Kairosfocus to define his terms and acknowledge another point of view as being, at least, logically tenable . . . I think it’s clear from the statement I have reproduced that he is never, ever going to do any of those things. Which is why I, personally, have stopped belabouring those points. What’s the point in arguing with someone whose viewpoint is unfalsifiable? When someone is absolutely convinced they are ‘right’ then you can either agree with them or walk away. It’s your call.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2021,16:30   

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When someone is absolutely convinced they are ‘right’ then you can either agree with them or walk away.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2021,16:36   

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Jonathan Bartlett: Antiracism in Math Promotes Racism and Bad Math

Bartlett: … one thing that is helpful for parents, students, and teachers is for students to show their work. I know it can be hard to get students to do this. My own children hate to do it. However, being explicit about the steps in their reasoning is important for a number of reasons. First, showing their work helps students with harder problems… So, what does Equitable Math say about this practice? According to their published guide, “White supremacy culture shows up in math class when students are required to show their work”


We poor white people are soooo victimized! LOL

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2021,11:05   

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Would specified complexity help us find extraterrestrial intelligences?


Since Specified Complexity has accomplished exactly nothing, I’m guessing No.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2021,11:09   

But I am currently reading The Sparrow and it ain’t Specified Craplexity that tells them it’s aliens.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2021,13:19   

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Would specified complexity help us find extraterrestrial intelligences?


Since Specified Complexity has accomplished exactly nothing, I’m guessing No.

I'm pretty sure there's a bloodstained patch of packed earth where this particular dead horse has been flogged into oblivion.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2021,13:47   

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Would specified complexity help us find extraterrestrial intelligences?


Since Specified Complexity has accomplished exactly nothing, I’m guessing No.

I'm pretty sure there's a bloodstained patch of packed earth where this particular dead horse has been flogged into oblivion.

Just outside the DI’s headquarters.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2021,09:19   

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March 1, 2021 at 8:10 am
Again, for the learning impaired: Once you allow same sex marriages you HAVE to allow ALL TYPES of marriages for the SAME reasons. It is hypocrisy to not do so. Blatant, dishonest hypocrisy. But I understand that the people who are OK with same-sex marriages are dishonest hypocrites.

And I do not care what JVL doesn’t believe me when I say that marriage should only be between people who can procreate.


Slippery Slope Fallacy

Joe babble

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2021,09:26   

Interesting bit from Wikipedia
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A study of nationwide data from January 1999 to December 2015 revealed that the establishment of same-sex marriage is associated with a significant reduction in the rate of attempted suicide among teens, with the effect being concentrated among teens of a minority sexual orientation, resulting in approximately 134,000 fewer teens attempting suicide each year in the United States.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2021,12:21   

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And I do not care what JVL doesn’t believe me when I say that marriage should only be between people who can procreate.
Bad news ladies. When Joe becomes king all women will have to get divorced as soon as they hit menopause. :(  ???

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2021,12:30   

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And I do not care what JVL doesn’t believe me when I say that marriage should only be between people who can procreate.
Bad news ladies. When Joe becomes king all women will have to get divorced as soon as they hit menopause. :(  ???

... and everyone will have to take fertility tests before they are granted a marriage license.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 01 2021,15:49   

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ET
March 1, 2021 at 8:10 am
Again, for the learning impaired: Once you allow same sex marriages you HAVE to allow ALL TYPES of marriages for the SAME reasons. It is hypocrisy to not do so. Blatant, dishonest hypocrisy. But I understand that the people who are OK with same-sex marriages are dishonest hypocrites.

And I do not care what JVL doesn’t believe me when I say that marriage should only be between people who can procreate.


Slippery Slope Fallacy

Joe babble

Why am I not surprised that Joe doesn’t understand consent?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2021,05:33   

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Seversky

Pravda and other Soviet propaganda sources were anti-Semitic and divisive from the moment Stalin took control. His 1st 4 years in power led to the death of 10,000 people, 600,000 of which were Jewish. As Hitler rose to power, nothing about Nazis being anti-Semitic was reported. Prior to Stalin agreeing to split eastern Europe with Hitler, Trotskyites were called Nazi agents among many other things. When the agreement was made with Hitler, Jewish communists who had fled Hitler were handed over to the SS via trains heading west. Even after the Hitler broke his deal with Stalin, Soviet propaganda within the Soviet Union never mentioned Jews as being targeted by the Nazis. 100s of thousands of people under Soviet control were pulled east after the invasion by Hitler, but most Jews remained where they were.


ID people are math geniuses  :)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2021,11:14   

https://i.ibb.co/MPQv1Xf....-CF.jpg

Edited by stevestory on Mar. 02 2021,12:15

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2021,11:33   

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https://i.ibb.co/MPQv1Xf....-CF.jpg

Too funny.

eta: the blog is called "intelligent reasoning" by the same logic that the bald guy in the 3 stooges is called "Curly".

eta: "Mr. and Mrs. Smith, open up, it's the Joe Police. You've been married five years and we don't see any babies! Mr. Smith if you don't knock her up soon we're going to revoke your marriage license."

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2021,22:20   

This is hilarious. Joke is again obsessing on someone and claiming that he is me. This has to be the third or fourth time he has done this.

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Acartia Kevin, you are the most ignorant, intolerant, immoral and unfair person around. So perhaps you should focus on your own pathological life and leave others alone. You are one sad psychopath.


Joe is obsessed

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2021,22:40   

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This is hilarious. Joke is again obsessing on someone and claiming that he is me. This has to be the third or fourth time he has done this.

 
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Acartia Kevin, you are the most ignorant, intolerant, immoral and unfair person around. So perhaps you should focus on your own pathological life and leave others alone. You are one sad psychopath.


Joe is obsessed



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2021,23:22   

WOW!

My grandmother had one like that!

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2021,11:33   

I would love to see his calculations on how much Complex Specified Information is in “singing”, but we all know those calculations don’t exist.  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2021,11:36   

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KF, you persist in your constricted view that “ethical theism, evolutionary materialistic scientism, and pantheism” are the only possible worldviews. You also persist in not addressing various critical points that I and others have made about your views, and you persist in instead posting thousands of words that you have posted before. At least you are persistent, but you are not effective.


LOL

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2021,12:16   

“SteveStory is Proud to be an Ignorant Faggot” is probly going on my résumé.  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 03 2021,12:28   

That this guy thinks that’s an insult tells you all you need to know.

Edited by stevestory on Mar. 03 2021,13:29

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2021,05:59   

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“SteveStory is Proud to be an Ignorant Faggot” is probly going on my résumé.  :p

It could go on Acartia Bogart's too.

(AB - have you considered changing your name to Spartacus?)

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