Joined: Oct. 2005
Dang. KF is going to have to ban EVERYONE
William J Murray
February 14, 2021 at 5:32 am
I see this as your projection of your particular belief system onto the world and others. Personally, I don’t hold anyone in contempt, and I see your warning of the eventual failure of systems not built on your model to be specious. IMO, any system regardless of what it is built on will fail when enough people become malcontent with the system. People have lived for extended periods of time under dictatorships, supposedly divine monarchies, communism, socialism and democracies, the longest running of which was almost 2000 years, the Pandya Dynasty, which I believes was a form of divine monarchies.
Was the Pandya Dynasty a “failure?” 1850 years makes it the most successful civilization of all time, at least in terms of duration. Their culture, even through hundreds of years of the various rulers warring with each other over power and land, stayed largely intact for that long because of a deep, common religious/spiritual belief system that was largely unquestioned by the population. If reason and morality was applied, it was through the lens of their religious beliefs.
Which, IMO, is what you are doing here. You’re interpreting everyone’s behavior and motivations (even going to the point of asserting their subconscious adherence to “duties”) from the lens of your religious beliefs, not pure logic extending from self-evidently true statements to necessarily true statements that extend from that source.
There are very few self-evident truths, such as “I exist,” “I experience,” “2+2=4,” and A=A. Common behaviors do not make for a self-evident truth or a duty. Common subconscious patterns do not make something a self-evident or necessary truth, much less a behavioral obligation.
I do not appeal to these things in every conversation I have because I recognize that not all situations or conversations are logical or are about truth or moral obligations. I usually fashion my side of conversations to fit the apparent psychological patterns of the person I am conversing with. My choices never proceed from a perspective of moral obligation or pursuit of truth; my choices entirely serve my personal enjoyment – not pleasure per se, but a broad and deep version of “enjoyment” that includes all sorts of varied experiences.
I can argue both for or against most perspectives. I can choose to hold conditional beliefs, and choose to hold them as long as they serve my interests, and choose to ditch them if a different belief better serves my goals. Do I think my goals represent some “truth?” No, not outside of parsing between what I enjoy and what I do not. Whether or not my goals are morally “wrong” by some external or objective standard never enters my mind.
However, I don’t think you’re capable of understanding people who think and operate outside of your worldview, and that is probably what drives you to repost the fundamentals of your worldview over and over, and interpret everyone according to your worldview, badgering them into accepting that your worldview applies to them, and that if they do not accept it, they are denying some essential moral obligation or duty of right reason, or deluding themselves.