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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2021,12:17   

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Kairosfocus is certain that of all the people in all the cultures and all the countries who have ever lived over thousands of years of humanity, his is the True Objective Morality.


Well, has anybody ever convinced him otherwise?  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2021,05:53   

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ba77 @ 19 –

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Bob, if you are not saying that his general observation is wrong, then is it safe to assume that you agree with his general observation that a few (four, apparently) fundamental, unintelligent forces of physics are incapable of rearranging the fundamental particles of physics into libraries full of science texts and encyclopedias, computers connected to monitors, keyboards, laser printers and the Internet, cars, trucks, airplanes, nuclear power plants and Apple iPhones?



No, I wasn1’t commenting either way.

I also didn’t comment on whether you are a total idiot. It’s not safe to assume my opinion on that, either.



:p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2021,06:07   

I took a screenshot of that because we all remember UD’s past behavior.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2021,08:52   

ba77 followed up with this bizarre threat.
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   Bob, whatever, you can play your games elsewhere if you want to have the admin decide what you meant.

   I’m OK with that if you are.

I think that was just another example of his unclear writing style. I hope so.

(FWIW, no I don't think ba77's a complete idiot, just in case anyone was wondering)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2021,10:40   

Somebody should ask BatShit77 to give us a link to his manifesto, on the presumption that nobody is mentally ill enough to actually type 10,000 words a day seven days a week about all that crap, he’s got to be cutting and pasting from the master document. I don’t think it’s his blog spot one because that hasn’t been updated in like eight years.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2021,12:14   

It might be a file on his computer.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2021,13:10   

There was one day recently I remember where he dropped like 1500 words at 7:04 AM and then another 1300 or so at like 7:05 AM, so it’s prewritten somewhere.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2021,19:15   

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ba77 followed up with this bizarre threat.
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   Bob, whatever, you can play your games elsewhere if you want to have the admin decide what you meant.

   I’m OK with that if you are.

I think that was just another example of his unclear writing style. I hope so.

(FWIW, no I don't think ba77's a complete idiot, just in case anyone was wondering)

I do.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2021,05:05   

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Do you think a single person in the world will read this?

I must admit that I either din't think that a single person would write this and then kept going wrting it again and again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2021,05:51   

If you’ve been following the issue of Kairosfocus making hand waving arguments about how gay marriage is bad for society, not just bad but inexorably leads to Tyranny, the sky is falling, and when Viola Lee presses him on how exactly, he babbles about “first duties of right reason blah blah” Viola has kept telling him this is a bullshit answer, how exactly is it bad, what exactly would you do, and KF can’t answer, he’s just trying to deflect, and dissemble, and now I guess to try to bury the question under an avalanche of words. He dropped 6,730 consecutive words to try to obscure his inability to simply answer. Wow.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2021,07:04   

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@kairosfocus:

 
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AC, you have on the table a substantial engagement on the point


The point on our table is US being the least racist country in the world. We’re talking about a comparison. To compare A to B you have to measure both A and B, not just A.

 
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your Wilsonian Arte of Rhetorique



I had to look that up. LOL. I do like to keep my sentences simple, short, and precise. I usually communicate with international audiences. If I’d use the language you’re using (and I do not have that ability) no one would understand me.

 
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there is an implicit admission



No there isn’t. Please don’t make up falsehoods about me.

 
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but wish to pose on dismissive hyperskepticism



No dismissiv hyperskepticism here. Hm, what do you think am I hypersceptical about?

 
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or even the latest stunt I want to hear from X not Y



What are you talking about? Please try to use quotes, so I know what you’re referring to.




LOL

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2021,17:40   

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TAMMIE LEE HAYNES
February 12, 2021 at 9:59 am
BornAgain nailed it.
Why not call ourselves Creationists?

Given fine tuning, the origin of life, and the role of information, the design part is obvious. So let’s just say what’s equally obvious, to any reasonable person: God did it.
If our opponents object we say “Lets take fine tuning. Tell us, what else else but God can explain it?”

Moreover, I dislike the tem “Design” for another reason. We are really talking about a “creator” or a Builder, which is far more than a mere “designer” Any engineer will tell you that he has seen zillions of designs, but only a few get built and actually work.


Dunno, baby girl, I’ve been calling you creationists for 20 years

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2021,21:29   

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TAMMIE LEE HAYNES
February 12, 2021 at 9:59 am
BornAgain nailed it.
Why not call ourselves Creationists?

Given fine tuning, the origin of life, and the role of information, the design part is obvious. So let’s just say what’s equally obvious, to any reasonable person: God did it.
If our opponents object we say “Lets take fine tuning. Tell us, what else else but God can explain it?”

Moreover, I dislike the tem “Design” for another reason. We are really talking about a “creator” or a Builder, which is far more than a mere “designer” Any engineer will tell you that he has seen zillions of designs, but only a few get built and actually work.


Dunno, baby girl, I’ve been calling you creationists for 20 years

Apparently she didn't get the groundbreaking news that design is a mechanism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2021,22:53   

Looks to me like positive feedback is the relevant mechanism, or at least a major part of it.

For either engineering by somebody, or "unguided" processes in nature.

But what do I know, I'm a S/W engineer not a biologist.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2021,06:14   

Dang. KF is going to have to ban EVERYONE
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William J Murray
February 14, 2021 at 5:32 am
KF @293:
I see this as your projection of your particular belief system onto the world and others. Personally, I don’t hold anyone in contempt, and I see your warning of the eventual failure of systems not built on your model to be specious. IMO, any system regardless of what it is built on will fail when enough people become malcontent with the system. People have lived for extended periods of time under dictatorships, supposedly divine monarchies, communism, socialism and democracies, the longest running of which was almost 2000 years, the Pandya Dynasty, which I believes was a form of divine monarchies.

Was the Pandya Dynasty a “failure?” 1850 years makes it the most successful civilization of all time, at least in terms of duration. Their culture, even through hundreds of years of the various rulers warring with each other over power and land, stayed largely intact for that long because of a deep, common religious/spiritual belief system that was largely unquestioned by the population. If reason and morality was applied, it was through the lens of their religious beliefs.

Which, IMO, is what you are doing here. You’re interpreting everyone’s behavior and motivations (even going to the point of asserting their subconscious adherence to “duties”) from the lens of your religious beliefs, not pure logic extending from self-evidently true statements to necessarily true statements that extend from that source.

There are very few self-evident truths, such as “I exist,” “I experience,” “2+2=4,” and A=A. Common behaviors do not make for a self-evident truth or a duty. Common subconscious patterns do not make something a self-evident or necessary truth, much less a behavioral obligation.

I do not appeal to these things in every conversation I have because I recognize that not all situations or conversations are logical or are about truth or moral obligations. I usually fashion my side of conversations to fit the apparent psychological patterns of the person I am conversing with. My choices never proceed from a perspective of moral obligation or pursuit of truth; my choices entirely serve my personal enjoyment – not pleasure per se, but a broad and deep version of “enjoyment” that includes all sorts of varied experiences.

I can argue both for or against most perspectives. I can choose to hold conditional beliefs, and choose to hold them as long as they serve my interests, and choose to ditch them if a different belief better serves my goals. Do I think my goals represent some “truth?” No, not outside of parsing between what I enjoy and what I do not. Whether or not my goals are morally “wrong” by some external or objective standard never enters my mind.

However, I don’t think you’re capable of understanding people who think and operate outside of your worldview, and that is probably what drives you to repost the fundamentals of your worldview over and over, and interpret everyone according to your worldview, badgering them into accepting that your worldview applies to them, and that if they do not accept it, they are denying some essential moral obligation or duty of right reason, or deluding themselves.
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2021,06:20   

God I ❤️ Uncommon Descent.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2021,15:05   

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God I ❤️ Uncommon Descent.

Trump and McConnell are both arseholes. But some arseholes fart higher than others.

ETA

Clarifying that I'm drawing an analogy between Kairosfocus and William J Murray on the one hand and Trump and McConnell on the other.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2021,04:07   

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Solemn Existence
February 15, 2021 at 9:28 pm
I wonder if Kent Hovind has heard about this? 🙂

https://www.creationism.org/english...._en.htm
Comets and the Great Flood of Noah
Noah was told to go inside the Ark along with his wife, three sons and their three wives. All the animals had been told to go to him (he did not have to go out and collect them). The Lord shut the door. Then they waited. Seven long days later the Great Flood began. Noah tells us (Genesis 7 & 8) that all the volcanoes were erupting, it began raining, and that the waters were rising for 150 days. The crust and oceans were convulsing and the whole Earth was covered. It was a flood like none other in Earth history.

What catalyzed the Great Flood? Rain did not produce it. Recall that it was only raining for 40 days and 40 nights. But the waters were rising for 150 days (Genesis 7:29). The volcanoes were erupting, but they do not appear to have been the cause either. Is it possible that Noah was on the opposite side of the Earth from a massive cometary bombardment?

Clouds can be seeded to produce rain. Dry ice is one catalyst causing rain. Could a significant number of hard frozen comets streaming in from deep space: one, begin to collapse the pre-Flood cloud cover with ensuing torrential rains; and two, slam into the Earth with concussions that could set off volcanoes; and three, then catalyze the volcanoes (the fountains of the great deep, erupting steam) to release high-pressure deep waters up to the surface? Maybe Noah did not see the comets themselves. And of course, if true, the evidence would later melt and become part of the post-Flood world’s oceans. (We know that world ocean levels are about 300 feet (100m) higher than their pre-Flood levels.)

I wonder what the composition of the ice balls were, if the Hovind Theory (Dr. Kent Hovind’s DVD Seminar #6) is correct. I wonder what was the angle and speed they hit the Earth, or rather – hit the upper atmosphere. Did they fragment? Were they more like comets, with dust and ice together?

Meteorites have lots of iron and nickel. They come in full speed, they are heavy, become hot, and they hit hard (if they survive the atmosphere).

Comets are different, as a giant icy snowball is not the same as a big rock flying through the air. They would probably be less cohesive, break up faster when heated, but transfer just as much energy to the atmosphere on the way in.

And it is possible, in theory, that the same astral event that wholloped Mars one day also hit the Earth. Sometime sit down with a cup of coffee or tea and look at the detailed images of the surface of Mars. If you are looking objectively and honestly you will notice something interesting. Almost all the craters are on one side! Don’t believe the diehard evolutionists with their belief in “once every couple million years” a meteorite hit stuff. No, look at the evidence. Since Mars’ orbit is also about 24 hours long, with all the craters on one side, and not on the other side of the planet, the evidence suggests a bombardment that hit – all in less than one hour. If Mars got hit in that way, and the Earth was in the same astral neighborhood, couldn’t the Earth have gotten pummeled that way too? Maybe the Lord has left us evidence of the cometary bombardment of Earth, on the surface of Mars?

How about this article from the Univ. of Iowa: http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/....owa.edu



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2021,04:28   

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February 15, 2021 at 3:53 pm
the white rose martyrs for one example

I written about 500 comments on evil on this site starting over 10 years ago. I doubt anyone has written as close to as many as this. I am interested primarily in natural evil not moral evil. The White Rose martyrs would be classified as a moral evil.
:p  :p  :p

https://tinyurl.com/26whftf....6whftft

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2021,07:48   


Culture Darwinism Genetics Intelligent Design
At Nature Heredity Mike Behe Vindicated But Not Cited


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February 18, 2021 at 6:33 am
Nature Heredity? There’s no such journal. Can someone pass this on to Dr. Luskin, in the interests of accuracy and him not looking like he has no idea what he’s on about.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2021,11:06   

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Culture Darwinism Genetics Intelligent Design
At Nature Heredity Mike Behe Vindicated But Not Cited


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Bob O'H
February 18, 2021 at 6:33 am
Nature Heredity? There’s no such journal. Can someone pass this on to Dr. Luskin, in the interests of accuracy and him not looking like he has no idea what he’s on about.

https://www.nature.com/hdy....hdy

Yes there is.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2021,07:39   

Dr. GH - you're as clueless as Luskin.

Look at the title of the journal: it's Heredity. Not Nature Heredity. It's a well known journal that has been around for a long time. I've published in it a few times, including when it was published through Blackwell. Yes, NPG now produce it, but I don't know if they are legally the publishers (I don't know what the contract with the Genetical Society is exactly).

The Nature X branding was started a few years ago by NPG to cascade papers that were high profile, but not high enough for Nature. Those journals are all owned and run by NPG (or Springer-Nature as they are now). They wouldn't do that with Heredity, partly because it already exists, partly because it's not high profile enough, partly because they have Nature Genetics, and also because it would be embarrassing and a mess if the Genetical Society decided to move to another publisher.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2021,07:41   

Now this is weird. The falsification thread had about 10 comments on it, but now all but the last (mine) has disappeared. Of course, my comment now make no sense without the others.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2021,09:10   

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Dr. GH - you're as clueless as Luskin.

Look at the title of the journal: it's Heredity. Not Nature Heredity. It's a well known journal that has been around for a long time. I've published in it a few times, including when it was published through Blackwell. Yes, NPG now produce it, but I don't know if they are legally the publishers (I don't know what the contract with the Genetical Society is exactly).

Google says you lose. "Nature Heredity" Try it.

https://www.nature.com/hdy....ut

Edited by Dr.GH on Feb. 19 2021,10:55

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2021,01:45   

@ Gary

Followed your link. The title of the journal, according to the link, is Heredity. I think you confirm Bob's point.

ETA

Heredity

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2021,13:32   

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Dr. GH - you're as clueless as Luskin.

Look at the title of the journal: it's Heredity. Not Nature Heredity. It's a well known journal that has been around for a long time. I've published in it a few times, including when it was published through Blackwell. Yes, NPG now produce it, but I don't know if they are legally the publishers (I don't know what the contract with the Genetical Society is exactly).

Google says you lose. "Nature Heredity" Try it.

https://www.nature.com/hdy........y....ut

Sorry Dr. GH but you dropped the ball on this one.  There are a number of journals under the Nature umbrella with Nature in the name i.e.

Nature Climate Change
Nature Genetics
Nature Physics
Nature Microbiology

...but Heredity isn't one of them.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2021,14:10   

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...but Heredity isn't one of them.

This is a stupid trivial issue, but when I Google Nature Heredity I get this;

https://www.nature.com/hdy....hdy

NATURE.COM!

Heredity.

They publish it. SpringerNature

What I would like is for you mega geniuses to refute and rebuke Luskin's claim that Behe was vindicated.

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...but Heredity isn't one of them.

This is a stupid trivial issue...

I agree. I wonder why you bothered posting.
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What I would like is for you mega geniuses to refute and rebuke Luskin's claim that Behe was vindicated.

Does Luskin have the visibility and credibility to warrant (heh) that attention?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2021,16:21   

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February 21, 2021 at 11:44 am
KF writes, “We can see from our behaviour that first duties of reason are inescapable,”

No. what we see from our behaviour is that human beings make judgments about things. Period.

We do not see that this is an “inescapable duty arising from the root of reality.” That is your metaphysical interpretation of what we observe. Other very good possible interpretations exist, some of which are more in line with other things we observe about human beings.

{/piling on}
kf is just an elderly bigot on an unimportant island in the Caribbean. It’s mind-boggling that he imagines anyone gives a shit what he thinks.  :p

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February 21, 2021 at 11:44 am
KF writes, “We can see from our behaviour that first duties of reason are inescapable,”

No. what we see from our behaviour is that human beings make judgments about things. Period.

We do not see that this is an “inescapable duty arising from the root of reality.” That is your metaphysical interpretation of what we observe. Other very good possible interpretations exist, some of which are more in line with other things we observe about human beings.

{/piling on}
kf is just an elderly bigot on an unimportant island in the Caribbean. It’s mind-boggling that he imagines anyone gives a shit what he thinks.  :p

It would be on thing if he was trying to convince people he was right.  But he’s so convinced of his amazing intellect that he insists we all know he’s right and just don’t want to admit it because we’re eeeeeeevil.

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