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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,10:57   


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,11:55   

s/Unfortunately/Fortunately/

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,12:44   

LarTanner to KF
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December 16, 2020 at 12:10 pm
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I have to acknowledge the force of the evidence before me
You have acknowledged nothing. Trump has tried and failed to undo the will of the American voters more than 50 times. Why is that? The one conclusion you and the brown-shirts calling for arrests of Congresspeople cannot reach is that your case is in reality weak.

You go back to the old tried-and-true abortion nonsense, but you are a hypocrite. Where were you when migrant families were being forcibly separated or toddlers were being hauled before judges in courtrooms? You don’t care about real people, only theoretical ones.

Go wring your hands somewhere else. Your credibility is gone.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,13:09   

Wow.

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Donald Trump will leave office having presided over the deadliest year in American history and will be the first president to preside over a net loss of jobs since WWII.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,13:50   

Observation: it's a close race, but I think William J Murray is the wackiest, farthest down the rabbit hole, guy at UD. He has the advantage of being articulate and able to use standard English writing conventions, but that just disguises how nutty he is. My 2 cents.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,14:03   

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Observation: it's a close race, but I think William J Murray is the wackiest, farthest down the rabbit hole, guy at UD. He has the advantage of being articulate and able to use standard English writing conventions, but that just disguises how nutty he is. My 2 cents.

Maybe he can teach Batshit how to use commas correctly.  :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,15:18   

LT to the Montserrat dipshit again:

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World War 4 ramping up would be much, much worse

It would be. So would World War 3 and so would World War 5.

Can we deal with what “is” rather than what would happen if something else were to happen. Right now, Trump is trying to overturn the will of American voters. Right now, people are dying and facing a slumped economy and food insecurity. Right now, the right-wing Q-anon crazies are calling for arrest, imprisonment, and execution of Congresspeople and who-knows-who-else.

You seem to have the warped view that Trump himself was not politicizer #1 of everything surrounding COVID-19. He was and he has been a primary source of unnecessary conflict, misinformation, and delay. This is a fact that you ought to acknowledge. If you can’t, then get lost.


LOL

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,19:59   

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[SNIP, FOR CAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO LEAVE THIS THREAD.]


No problem. The tone of the discussion leaves much to be desired. Have fun trying to make yourself heard above the constant echo.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,21:24   

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[SNIP, FOR CAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO LEAVE THIS THREAD.]


No problem. The tone of the discussion leaves much to be desired. Have fun trying to make yourself heard above the constant echo.

Kairos sure is into Cancel Culture.  :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 16 2020,21:38   

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Trump is pocketing Georgia Senate runoff donations for his PAC, while the GOP candidates themselves don't get a dollar, a new report says


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2020,03:09   

Away from politics for a moment...
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December 16, 2020 at 10:12 pm

Retractions are meaningless, just as the “corrections” in newspapers are meaningless. The only thing that matters is the MURDER created by the initial EVIL headline. MURDER is the sole purpose of journalism and science. After enough people are KILLED by the bad data, appearances can be maintained by a fine-print “correction” on page 37C.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2020,15:35   

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Sandy

We need to clarify one thing : people who don’t see evidences for fraud are insane .


OK let’s see, which is more likely.

80 something judges appointed by three administrations, at the state federal and Supreme Court level, including all three of Trump’s supreme court nominees, are insane

-or-

Sandy’s a moron

Real puzzle, that.

:D  :D  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2020,16:15   

Has anyone tried using any of ID’s powerful mathematical tools to provide evidence of fraud?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2020,16:57   

The Trump administration, which wants to claim credit for the vaccine,  Is proving incompetent at distributing it.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2020,16:56   

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MICHIGAN

Antrim County hand tally affirms certified election results


An audit conducted Thursday of the votes cast in the November presidential election in Antrim County, the heart of a conspiracy theory about Dominion Voting Systems, affirmed the outcome with a net gain of 12 votes for Republican President Donald Trump, out of 15,962 votes cast, officials said.

The hand tally of every vote cast for president in Antrim County in the November general election could put the conspiracies to rest after state and local election officials have spent more than a month explaining that the incorrect unofficial results reported by the county on election night stemmed from human error.


Could put the conspiracies to rest? LOL have you met Philip and Gordon? Those guys’ reasoning skills are ten miles of bad road.  :p  :D  :)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,09:35   

Hunter, over on his blog, posted several OPs recently about election fraud, including one about the statistical improbability of Biden winning. I checked today and they are all gone. I wonder if his employer is distancing itself from the Trump crazy-train and forced him to remove them.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,14:39   

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December 20, 2020 at 2:35 pm
Kairosfocus: If these fail, if you think that people will meekly accept entrenching of election rigging, big mistake.

We’ll see. I think, just like with the “lock her up” shibboleth about Hilary Clinton, the people you and The Trumpsters have riled up will lose interest and calm down. They like getting angry but they have no idea what to do about it. Much like you really. You haven’t got a plan beyond getting angry.

Western people, for 2500 years, will not meekly submit to existential threats — and those are the matches being played with now.

There is no existential threat. You want there to be one so you can bring about your theocracy. It’s not going to happen.

That kind of reminds me of how Germany, Italy and Japan launched into wars without reckoning for the long haul. Not smart. They lost badly, Italy got off the lightest.

Not even close to the same kind of situation. Uncle Rudy has quit the fight. Sidney Powell has quit. Major Republican leaders have quit. It’s over. Time to move on and deal with the painful wound some people have deliberately chosen to inflict on the American culture. For what? The Donald was never going to abolish abortions. What was this all about, really? The Donald didn’t reform anything. He didn’t clear the swamp. He didn’t get Mexico to pay for the wall. He didn’t get the coal industry back on track. He didn’t get the US into better trade situations. He lied to you. He told you want you wanted to hear and you bought it.


LOL

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,15:35   

And he got his-self fired doing all that.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,16:56   

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NATIONAL REVIEW

DECEMBER 31, 2020, ISSUE

Disgrace after Defeat

By RICH LOWRY
& RAMESH PONNURU
December 17, 2020 9:10 AM

It had long been obvious that if Trump lost the election, his exit would be graceless.

It was hard to see him conceding defeat in any circumstance, even if he got buried in a landslide. Having flouted norms throughout his presidency, there was no way that he would begin honoring them on his way out the door. Given to insulting his opponents and complaining of unfairness in the best of circumstances, he wasn’t going to find resources of classiness hitherto not in evidence.

Yet Trump hasn’t even managed to clear the low bar of realistic expectations for his post-election conduct. Even before the counting had ended, he declared himself the winner by a landslide. He spread rank disinformation on his Twitter account every day and pursued lawsuits that sought, based on the thinnest of justifications, to throw out millions of votes and invalidate state elections. He lobbied Republican officials to refuse to certify results and to award him the electors in states he lost, and failed only because the Republicans knew such acts would be a gross violation of the public trust at best and illegal at worst.

All in all, it’s the worst thing he’s done in his presidency and the worst exit of a defeated president in U.S. history, an effort that is not less infamous for being incompetent and risible.

Vote fraud is a serious offense against democracy and the law, and should be combated as such. But the Trump team and its allies have not been able to provide evidence of widespread illegal activity despite an intense, indeed fevered, search for it. While the rhetoric of Trump’s lawyers has emphasized a fraudulent, stolen election, the arguments in court typically haven’t been about alleged fraud at all. They have focused on changes in procedures prior to the election, disparities in how counties handled absentee ballots, and the distance Republican observers were kept from the counting — none of which has come close to supporting the drastic remedies Trump has sought.

Trump was clearly preparing the ground for his fraud allegations prior to the election. His obsessive attacks on mail-in voting were out of proportion to the threat such voting represented. Yes, mail-in voting is less secure than in-person voting. Yes, some states were ill prepared to handle the tsunami of mail-in ballots. But the states that have long had robust mail-in voting programs, such as Colorado, Utah, and Oregon, haven’t experienced widespread fraud.

In eschewing vote by mail, Trump created an even heavier political lift for himself by urging his voters to vote only in-person, thus kicking away an opportunity to bank votes and requiring a massive same-day turnout to overcome what Democrats had been building over the course of weeks. If a quarter of the Georgia Republicans who cast absentee ballots in the primary but didn’t vote at all in the fall election had instead voted by mail, Trump would have won the state. By contrast, in Florida, where Trump won more comfortably than he did in 2016, the state GOP didn’t discourage voting by mail. In the Georgia runoffs for Senate, even Trump has urged people to vote by mail.

Trump’s attacks on mail-in voting were useful, however, in enabling him to discredit the election. The politicization of voting methods meant that same-day ballots would be heavily Trump while absentee ballots would skew Democratic. The fact that key states counted the same-day ballots first created the impression of a Trump lead that got overtaken in the dead of the night or in the days after the election. If the order of the counting had been reversed, Biden would have established an early lead that steadily eroded but never disappeared.

But that’s not the way the count went. And the misleading impression created by the sequencing of it in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania is still, so many weeks later, one of the Trump team’s chief arguments that the election was stolen.

That Trump would look for a way to undermine the legitimacy of a loss should have been obvious from the 2016 campaign, when he promised, with characteristic frankness, to accept the result “if I win.” Even after winning, he made ludicrous charges about how wide­spread illegal voting had cheated him of a victory in the popular vote, just as he had after defeats in the primary.

His post-election argument this time has been a magnified version of past practice. He has shown even more of the indifference to the Constitution, the rule of law, and simple logical consistency that has marked his political career. He claims to be defending the integrity of U.S. elections, even as he demands that state legislatures ignore the laws they have passed and judges ignore federal statutory deadlines concerning the appointment of electors. His lawyers, meanwhile, advance half-baked theories that would enable state governments to use federal courts to interfere with one another’s election procedures: something that has never before been done, or really even contemplated.

The failure of this post-election campaign has not made it costless. Trump has encouraged millions of voters to believe that their votes do not count toward election results. He has sent them on a hunt for participants in a nonexistent conspiracy against the public. He has directed scorn and rage at state officials, including Republi­cans who backed him loyally, whose sin has been to follow the law instead of indulging him. And he has set a terrible precedent for future elections, especially ones that turn out closer than this one did.

Republicans who have not been willing to parrot his claim of a landslide victory have generally not contradicted it, either. Instead they have resorted to offering one shabby excuse after another for the president’s conduct. They say, for example, that he has every right to make his case in court, a claim that runs against decades of more sensible statements from Republicans about the evils of frivolous litigation. A president ought to have less leeway to abuse the courts than a fast-food patron scalded by hot coffee.

Or they say that Trump and his supporters have raised important questions. In many cases that is an ex­tremely charitable assessment: There is no important or even interesting question about Hugo Chávez’s ability to manipulate vote totals from the grave, for example. In other cases, the questioners refuse to listen to the answers. Take the widely broadcast claim that turnout in Milwaukee jumped suspiciously from 71 percent in 2012, when Obama was on the ticket, to 85 percent with Biden this year. The Republican National Committee spread that one — and didn’t correct the record when it was shown that turnout in 2012 was actually 87 percent, and therefore hadn’t risen at all. The lawsuits don’t merely ask questions, anyway: They request action, typically in the form of throwing out the ballots of thousands of law-abiding voters.

Another quasi-defense of Trump has been that many of his opponents refused to recognize the legitimacy of his election, too, and set out to undermine his new administration with investigations. That’s true. But this was not behavior to emulate, and Trump has exceeded it. Barack Obama did not delay the transition, let alone attack other Democrats for allowing it to proceed. Neither he nor Hillary Clinton urged state legislators to override their states’ voters.

Al Gore came closer to winning the 2000 election than Trump did this year, and put up a political and legal fight. But he didn’t spread conspiracy theories, urge that officials be put in jail for refusing to back his effort, or file dozens of lawsuits that got laughed out of court. Trump has plumbed new depths.

Of course, well before he became president, Trump had demonstrated that he does not care about truth, the viability of the political system, or even the Republican Party. He had shown an attraction to conspiracy theories of all kinds. (The Venezuelan–Serbian plot to steal the 2020 election isn’t any crazier than the notion that Ted Cruz’s father participated in the assassination of JFK.) In 2015, responding to criticism from NR, Trump explained his method on TV: “I keep whining and whining until I win.” It turns out not to be a surefire strategy.

Through much of this, most elected Republicans followed their habit of keeping their heads down. This reflex started as an understandable, and probably prudent, decision. After he won in 2016, Trump was going to be president no matter what. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell doubtless figured that inveighing against him wouldn’t accomplish anything, while there were opportunities for fruitful cooperation and chances to steer him away from grievous mistakes behind the scenes. But this posture hardened into an unwillingness by most congressional Republicans to criticize Trump on much of anything unless the provocation was intolerable (e.g., Trump’s preposterous discussion with Putin in 2017 of starting a joint cybersecurity unit). Republicans got used to running away from reporters in the halls of Capitol Hill to avoid having to say anything about Trump’s latest outlandish tweet.

Their fear of Trump — of his ability to mobilize a lot of their own voters against them with one tweet or statement — was well founded. In the old days, it could take years for a president to exact re­venge on a member of his own party as he recruited an opponent in a primary, sent his operatives to work the race, etc. In contrast, Trump could mete out pain in a 280-character burst, sometimes diminishing his targets instantly.

This fear became only more intense as Trump whipped up passions about a stolen election, and so Republicans held their tongues even when the president began to actively and explicitly seek to overturn an election result not to his liking. He always said they were weak, and too many of them proved him right.

It’s not surprising that Trump would disgrace himself after an election loss; it is remarkable that he’s done it this grotesquely, and with so many who should know better effectively aiding and abetting him.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,18:06   

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December 20, 2020 at 5:21 pm
Vividbleau: The people the business people feared if Trump got re-elected are not going to be satisfied with Biden’s moderate past and will riot in the streets to get their way. The far totalitarian left will not just go away, they never stop. Hitler came to power under legitimate means and came as an angel of light.
And then there is Critical Theory and all its sub theories that will be permanently institutionalized. This is a destructive ideology that will tear the fabric of American society with its blatantly racist world view.


You’ve already made up your mind. People are either in this camp or that camp. You want to put people into one of your defined camps. You have to polarize everyone so that you can deal with them based on your proscribed beliefs and categories. And the people you disagree with are relentlessly rabid in pursuing their agendas; they will destroy everything you believe in just to get their way.

So much for having a dialogue or discussion. In your black or white polarised world only extremists live. That’s not a world I want to live in or one I think actually exists.


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,22:02   

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December 20, 2020 at 9:10 pm
Kairos, Born, WYM, etc,
I have followed this thread for some time and I can only say, “Wow! ”
From an outside observer’s point of view I can only say, thank goodness you and your ilk have no decisive power to make law except for your vote.
Your minds are collectively stuck in AD 1067.

This one isn’t long for UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,22:09   

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December 20, 2020 at 9:10 pm
Kairos, Born, WYM, etc,
I have followed this thread for some time and I can only say, “Wow! ”
From an outside observer’s point of view I can only say, thank goodness you and your ilk have no decisive power to make law except for your vote.
Your minds are collectively stuck in AD 1067.

This one isn’t long for UD.

[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/ud-newswatch-highlights/ud-live-event-from-nov-3-us-election-contd-bbc-yes-the-beeb-on-blms-marxist-founders-we-fo

ught-to-change-history-and-we-won/#comment-720786]Link[/URL]

DAMMIT you beat me by 7 mins

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2020,23:00   

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Has anyone tried using any of ID’s powerful mathematical tools to provide evidence of fraud?

If they do, they might present results at the same time Zarquon shows up again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2020,08:57   

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December 21, 2020 at 4:31 am
Kairos,
how many of those millions of ignored babies have you adopted? You seem to be passionate about this subject, but what really have you done in a practical way to give these potentially murdered children a home? Nothing!?
Biden is president, no amount of muelling on your or WLC (WJM/WYM/WCM) Born’s part, will alter this. Just as America will not stand for any alteration to “Roe”. So, what are you to do?
The answer is clear and obvious.
Live and die in misery. (In the words of the great Jamaican philosophers of yore: “Don’t worry, be happy!)
Merry Christmas!
As an atheist I say this ‘culturally’!:)
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2020,10:58   

Thou shalt not try to confuse them with facts! :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2020,14:04   

Voting machine companies told Newsmax and Fox that they were gonna sue the fuck outta them for lies, slander, etc, and Lou Dobbs and Newsmax are now refuting their own previous lies.

Here’s Newsmax

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2020,15:39   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 21 2020,14:04)
Voting machine companies told Newsmax and Fox that they were gonna sue the fuck outta them for lies, slander, etc, and Lou Dobbs and Newsmax are now refuting their own previous lies.

Here’s Newsmax

Footage of the apology

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2020,17:41   

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Jerry, I don’t know about you, but I certainly have seen more than enough evidence to overturn the election, and that is without even getting into the Dominion anomalies


HAHAHAHAHAHA

I very seriously doubt bornagain is even allowed to use the microwave.  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2020,22:57   

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December 21, 2020 at 11:26 am
Jerry, I don’t know about you, but I certainly have seen more than enough evidence to overturn the election, and that is without even getting into the Dominion anomalies


HAHAHAHAHAHA

I very seriously doubt bornagain is even allowed to use the microwave.  :p

Certainly not, if he failed to clean up the microwave background after trying to cook an egg in its shell.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2020,09:38   

“Deaths usually rise by about 20,000 to 50,000 each year, mainly due to the nation’s aging, and growing, population.”

“Final mortality data for this year will not be available for months. But preliminary numbers suggest that the United States is on track to see more than 3.2 million deaths this year, or at least 400,000 more than in 2019.”

https://apnews.com/article....ae8d5e7

   
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