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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2020,21:49   

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July 8, 2020 at 5:45 pm
JVL holds that the ‘beyond space and time’ math that describes this universe ‘just is’ and that it is not contingent upon the Mind of God for its existence and also holds that God did not choose the particular mathematical form that this universe takes.

JVL’s position, as far as the philosophy of science is concerned, is a major step backwards. JVL’s position is very similar, if not exactly like, the position that was held by the ancient Greeks.

The ancient Greeks held to a necessartarian view of mathematics. A view in which mathematics, to use JVL’s term ‘just is’. And that necessartarian, i.e. ‘just is’, view of mathematics, played a major role in preventing the rise of modern science. As Peter Williams notes in the following article, “Both Greek and biblical thought asserted that the world is orderly and intelligible. But the Greeks held that this order is necessary and that one can therefore deduce its structure from first principles. Only biblical thought held that God created both form and matter, meaning that the world did not have to be as it is and that the details of its order can be discovered only by observation. ”

Is Christianity Unscientific? – Peter S. Williams
Excerpt: “Both Greek and biblical thought asserted that the world is orderly and intelligible. But the Greeks held that this order is necessary and that one can therefore deduce its structure from first principles. Only biblical thought held that God created both form and matter, meaning that the world did not have to be as it is and that the details of its order can be discovered only by observation. ”
https://www.bethinking.org/does-sc....entific

And as Henry F. Schaefer III noted in the following video, “The emergence of modern science was associated with a disdain for the rationalism of Greek philosophers who pronounced on how the world should behave, with insufficient attention to how the world in fact did behave.”

“The emergence of modern science was associated with a disdain for the rationalism of Greek philosophers who pronounced on how the world should behave, with insufficient attention to how the world in fact did behave.”
– Henry F. Schaefer III – Making Sense of Faith and Science – 23:30 minute mark
https://youtu.be/C7Py_qe....?t=1415

In fact, it was only with the quote-unquote ‘outlawing’ of the ancient Greek philosophers’s deterministic and necessitarian views of creation that modern science was finally able to achieve a viable birth.

As the following article states, “If science suffered only stillbirths in ancient cultures, how did it come to its unique viable birth? The beginning of science as a fully fledged enterprise took place in relation to two important definitions of the Magisterium of the Church. The first was the definition at the Fourth Lateran Council in the year 1215, that the universe was created out of nothing at the beginning of time. The second magisterial statement was at the local level, enunciated by Bishop Stephen Tempier of Paris who, on March 7, 1277, condemned 219 Aristotelian propositions, so outlawing the deterministic and necessitarian views of creation.
These statements of the teaching authority of the Church expressed an atmosphere in which faith in God had penetrated the medieval culture and given rise to philosophical consequences. The cosmos was seen as contingent in its existence and thus dependent on a divine choice which called it into being; the universe is also contingent in its nature and so God was free to create this particular form of world among an infinity of other possibilities. Thus the cosmos cannot be a necessary form of existence; and so it has to be approached by a posteriori investigation. The universe is also rational and so a coherent discourse can be made about it. Indeed the contingency and rationality of the cosmos are like two pillars supporting the Christian vision of the cosmos.”

The War against the War Between Science and Faith Revisited – July 2010
Excerpt: …as Whitehead pointed out, it is no coincidence that science sprang, not from Ionian metaphysics, not from the Brahmin-Buddhist-Taoist East, not from the Egyptian-Mayan astrological South, but from the heart of the Christian West, that although Galileo fell out with the Church, he would hardly have taken so much trouble studying Jupiter and dropping objects from towers if the reality and value and order of things had not first been conferred by belief in the Incarnation. (Walker Percy, Lost in the Cosmos),,,
Jaki notes that before Christ the Jews never formed a very large community (priv. comm.). In later times, the Jews lacked the Christian notion that Jesus was the monogenes or unigenitus, the only-begotten of God. Pantheists like the Greeks tended to identify the monogenes or unigenitus with the universe itself, or with the heavens. Jaki writes: Herein lies the tremendous difference between Christian monotheism on the one hand and Jewish and Muslim monotheism on the other. This explains also the fact that it is almost natural for a Jewish or Muslim intellectual to become a pa(n)theist. About the former Spinoza and Einstein are well-known examples. As to the Muslims, it should be enough to think of the Averroists. With this in mind one can also hope to understand why the Muslims, who for five hundred years had studied Aristotle’s works and produced many commentaries on them failed to make a breakthrough. The latter came in medieval Christian context and just about within a hundred years from the availability of Aristotle’s works in Latin,,
If science suffered only stillbirths in ancient cultures, how did it come to its unique viable birth? The beginning of science as a fully fledged enterprise took place in relation to two important definitions of the Magisterium of the Church. The first was the definition at the Fourth Lateran Council in the year 1215, that the universe was created out of nothing at the beginning of time. The second magisterial statement was at the local level, enunciated by Bishop Stephen Tempier of Paris who, on March 7, 1277, condemned 219 Aristotelian propositions, so outlawing the deterministic and necessitarian views of creation.
These statements of the teaching authority of the Church expressed an atmosphere in which faith in God had penetrated the medieval culture and given rise to philosophical consequences. The cosmos was seen as contingent in its existence and thus dependent on a divine choice which called it into being; the universe is also contingent in its nature and so God was free to create this particular form of world among an infinity of other possibilities. Thus the cosmos cannot be a necessary form of existence; and so it has to be approached by a posteriori investigation. The universe is also rational and so a coherent discourse can be made about it. Indeed the contingency and rationality of the cosmos are like two pillars supporting the Christian vision of the cosmos.
http://www.scifiwright.com/201........visited

As to the last sentence of the preceding quote, “Indeed the contingency and rationality of the cosmos are like two pillars supporting the Christian vision of the cosmos”, it is important to note just how radical of a departure this ‘contingency vs. necessatarian’ transformation in the philosophy of mathematics was.

As Edward Fesser notes in the following article, for Christian scholastic philosophers of the medieval period “Mathematical truths exhibit infinity, necessity, eternity, immutability, perfection, and immateriality because they are God’s thoughts,” whereas for ancient Greek philosophers, “mathematical objects such as numbers and geometrical figures exist not only independently of the material world, but also independently of any mind, including the divine mind.”

KEEP IT SIMPLE – by Edward Feser – April 2020
Excerpt: Mathematics appears to describe a realm of entities with quasi-divine attributes. The series of natural numbers is infinite. That one and one equal two and two and two equal four could not have been otherwise. Such mathematical truths never begin being true or cease being true; they hold eternally and immutably. The lines, planes, and figures studied by the geometer have a kind of perfection that the objects of our experience lack. Mathematical objects seem immaterial and known by pure reason rather than through the senses. Given the centrality of mathematics to scientific explanation, it seems in some way to be a cause of the natural world and its order.
How can the mathematical realm be so apparently godlike? The traditional answer, originating in Neoplatonic philosophy and Augustinian theology, is that our knowledge of the mathematical realm is precisely knowledge, albeit inchoate, of the divine mind. Mathematical truths exhibit infinity, necessity, eternity, immutability, perfection, and immateriality because they are God’s thoughts, and they have such explanatory power in scientific theorizing because they are part of the blueprint implemented by God in creating the world. For some thinkers in this tradition, mathematics thus provides the starting point for an argument for the existence of God qua supreme intellect.
There is also a very different answer, in which the mathematical realm is a rival to God rather than a path to him. According to this view, mathematical objects such as numbers and geometrical figures exist not only independently of the material world, but also independently of any mind, including the divine mind. They occupy a “third realm” of their own, the realm famously described in Plato’s Theory of Forms. God used this third realm as a blueprint when creating the physical world, but he did not create the realm itself and it exists outside of him. This position is usually called Platonism since it is commonly thought to have been Plato’s own view, as distinct from that of his Neoplatonic followers who relocated mathematical objects and other Forms into the divine mind. (I put to one side for present purposes the question of how historically accurate this standard narrative is.)
https://www.firstthings.com/article....-simple

In the minds of the Christian founders of modern science, mathematics, especially any mathematics that might describe the universe, was certainly not held to be necessary, as the ancient Greeks held and JVL currently holds, but any mathematics that might describe was instead held to be contingent upon God’s thoughts.

Perhaps the best example that I can give for the fact that the Christian founders of modern science held mathematics, especially any mathematics that might describe the universe, to be God’s thoughts is the following quote by Kepler, (which he made shortly after discovering the laws of planetary motion),,

“O, Almighty God, I am thinking Thy thoughts after Thee!”
– Johannes Kepler, 1619, The Harmonies of the World.

Several quotes along similar lines we presented in post #53
https://uncommondescent.com/neurosc....-706255

Thus JVL is actually defending a necessitarian view of mathematics that the ancient Greeks also held. A fruitless view of mathematics that played a major role in preventing the rise of modern science since a necessitarian view of gives rise to the “Greek philosophers who pronounced on how the world should behave, with insufficient attention to how the world in fact did behave”.

In short, a necessitarian view of mathematics and/or creation, undermines empirical science itself since those who hold to a necessitarian view of mathematics, apparently, didn’t, and still don’t, believe that it was possible for the universe to take any other mathematical form than the one it currently has..

On this point they are sadly, and profoundly mistaken.

Godel’s incompleteness theorem is more that enough, in and of itself, to prove this point. But to add even more weight to the claim that the mathematics that describe this universe could have been different. The free will loop-hole in quantum mechanics has now been closed by Anton Zeilinger and company.

On top of that, “Human mathematicians are able to create axioms, but a computer program cannot do this without violating information conservation. Creating new axioms and free will are shown to be different aspects of the same phenomena: the creation of new information.”

Algorithmic Information Theory, Free Will and the Turing Test – Douglas S. Robertson?Excerpt: Chaitin’s Algorithmic Information Theory shows that information is conserved under formal mathematical operations and, equivalently, under computer operations. This conservation law puts a new perspective on many familiar problems related to artificial intelligence. For example, the famous “Turing test” for artificial intelligence could be defeated by simply asking for a new axiom in mathematics. Human mathematicians are able to create axioms, but a computer program cannot do this without violating information conservation. Creating new axioms and free will are shown to be different aspects of the same phenomena: the creation of new information.?http://cires.colorado.edu/~dou...../info8.pdf

And as James Franklin noted, “the intellect (is) immaterial and immortal. If today’s naturalists do not wish to agree with that, there is a challenge for them. ‘Don’t tell me, show me’: build an artificial intelligence system that imitates genuine mathematical insight. There seem to be no promising plans on the drawing board.,,,”

The mathematical world – James Franklin – 7 April 2014
Excerpt: the intellect (is) immaterial and immortal. If today’s naturalists do not wish to agree with that, there is a challenge for them. ‘Don’t tell me, show me’: build an artificial intelligence system that imitates genuine mathematical insight. There seem to be no promising plans on the drawing board.,,,
– James Franklin is professor of mathematics at the University of New South Wales in Sydney.
http://aeon.co/magazin....e-about

Thus the Christian Theist has multiple lines of strong evidence, (many more lines than what I have presented here in this short post), that he can appeal to to support his claim that the mathematics that describe this universe is contingent upon the Mind of God for its existence, and indeed that God chose this particular mathematical form that this universe has taken. Whereas JVL has, basically, only his ignorance of the history of science, and his ignorance of the evidence itself, to appeal to,

It is truly sad that he repeatedly chooses ignorance over God:
That's not a snip, he actually ends the post right there.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2020,03:58   

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Ahh...  It is such fun to release one's inner spelling Nazi now and again. :p

That's just ID Spelling. ;)

Your position can’t even explain spelling!

He was a Cardinal, wasn't he?  Played second base if I remember right.

No, What's on second.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2020,16:53   

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Ahh...  It is such fun to release one's inner spelling Nazi now and again. :p

That's just ID Spelling. ;)

Your position can’t even explain spelling!

He was a Cardinal, wasn't he?  Played second base if I remember right.

No, What's on second.

Wikipedia seems not to be of use here.

However, there is Aaron Spelling, who was guilty of Dynasty.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2020,19:26   

I think I made a mistake.  I was apparently thinking of Cardinal Spellman, not Spelling.  Spellman pioneered being in the closet.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2020,06:12   

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I think I made a mistake.  I was apparently thinking of Cardinal Spellman, not Spelling.  Spellman pioneered being in the closet.

He was probably embarrassed at being on the same Wikipedia disambiguation page as Sabrina, the Teenage Witch.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2020,16:37   

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JVL
July 10, 2020 at 11:12 am
Bornagain77: Whatever JVL, the authors both said that the universe did not have to ‘make sense’ to us mathematically. You disagreed. So what? You also disagree with both Einstein and Wigner.

Wow, clearly you just don’t understand the mathematics. Incredible. You copy and paste stuff you think upholds your view and your really don’t understand what’s going on at all.

I have agreed that, in a purely abstract sense, mathematical axioms are arbitrary. Some mathematicians have created types of ‘arithmetic’ which are either inconsistent (as noted in the book you linked to) or limited (as also noted in the book you linked to). So, so far, no one has been able to show me an alternative, consistent form of arithmetic that differs significantly from ours that can be used to solve the same basic real-world problems.

But you thought: Oh, this hideous, awful atheistic materialist must be wrong; I’m going to find something that looks like it contradicts him.

I’m talking about mathematics, you seem to think that has something to do with world views and theology.

It doesn’t. It’s just mathematics. That is not subject to theology or philosophy or any world views.


BatShit77 is a tard

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2020,19:40   

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July 10, 2020 at 3:13 pm
Bornagain77: As expected, JVL hand waves off Einstein and Wigner and pretends he has a more expert opinion than they. Hubris is too mild a term.

🙂 It’s okay with me if you have consistently failed to address my questions and challenges with pointless references and digressions.

As I said before: your mathematics ability is clearly not up to the task. Being able to copy and paste just doesn’t cut it.


Edited by stevestory on July 10 2020,20:41

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2020,04:11   

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July 10, 2020 at 6:54 pm

@JVL 158 heavens to betsy there is a lot of jabbering where there is little substance.

and so say all of us

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2020,09:19   

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July 10, 2020 at 6:54 pm

@JVL 158 heavens to betsy there is a lot of jabbering where there is little substance.

and so say all of us

This was following 10,000 words of nonsense from batshitcrazy77.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2020,09:57   

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July 10, 2020 at 3:13 pm
Bornagain77: As expected, JVL hand waves off Einstein and Wigner and pretends he has a more expert opinion than they. Hubris is too mild a term.


🙂 It’s okay with me if you have consistently failed to address my questions and challenges with pointless references and digressions.

As I said before: your mathematics ability is clearly not up to the task. Being able to copy and paste just doesn’t cut it.


lol

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2020,21:40   

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July 11, 2020 at 7:59 pm
What did the whales evolve from? What’s their closest ancestor? What did they evolve into?

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July 11, 2020 at 8:02 pm
@Jawa, uh, they evolved into whales.


lol

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2020,22:09   

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July 11, 2020 at 7:59 pm
What did the whales evolve from? What’s their closest ancestor? What did they evolve into?

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Retired Physicist
July 11, 2020 at 8:02 pm
@Jawa, uh, they evolved into whales.


lol

Just when you think they’ve hit peak stupid over there.

Also, how hard is it to use google?  It’s not like “whale closest relative“ is that difficult a search string to figure out.  Google didn’t even let me get past “whale clo” without figuring out what I wanted.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2020,22:37   

Paranoia strikes deep ...
Into your heart it will creep ...
            Buffalo Springfield

Polistra:    
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The facts didn’t make any difference. The riots made all the difference.

Many ordinary people were still willing to trust “science” until the biggest and most dramatic CONTROLLED EXPERIMENT in all of social science.

After the riots, everyone SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES that the lockdowns and suicide masks had NOTHING to do with science or viruses. The lockdowns and suicide masks are SOLELY designed to humiliate and kill the Wrong Sort Of People while glorifying and enriching the Right Sort Of People. The only relevant variable is whether the governor thinks you’re the Right Sort Of People or not.

IDiot

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2020,08:47   

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Paranoia strikes deep ...
Into your heart it will creep ...
            Buffalo Springfield

Polistra:      
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The facts didn’t make any difference. The riots made all the difference.

Many ordinary people were still willing to trust “science” until the biggest and most dramatic CONTROLLED EXPERIMENT in all of social science.

After the riots, everyone SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES that the lockdowns and suicide masks had NOTHING to do with science or viruses. The lockdowns and suicide masks are SOLELY designed to humiliate and kill the Wrong Sort Of People while glorifying and enriching the Right Sort Of People. The only relevant variable is whether the governor thinks you’re the Right Sort Of People or not.

IDiot

Perhaps the problem is that Trump's supporters don't understand that a "control group" is not about being in control.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2020,11:15   

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July 11, 2020 at 7:59 pm
What did the whales evolve from? What’s their closest ancestor? What did they evolve into?

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Retired Physicist
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@Jawa, uh, they evolved into whales.


lol

Just when you think they’ve hit peak stupid over there.

Also, how hard is it to use google?  It’s not like “whale closest relative“ is that difficult a search string to figure out.  Google didn’t even let me get past “whale clo” without figuring out what I wanted.

I suspect it's only a local maximum. Just wait.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2020,18:19   

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Mike1962 @ 78

We’re talking about moral duties here, not enforcement of moral codes.

You bring up an interesting point, though: What are our moral duties to non-human animals. Sensations and emotions are pretty basic. I think we can safely assume that all mammals and birds plus many other animals feel pain, fear death and know fear and terror more or less like we do. So what are our moral responsibilities to other animals?

Mike: “… I would kill your mother, father, wife, children and livestock if I were hungry enough. Why not?”

Absolute Christian morality at it’s finest. “Thou shalt not kill!” unless you’re REALLY hungry.

Mike: “… you have given me no reason to not be the lion that I am. Especially when I’m hungry.”

We normally don’t think most animals are morally capable of moral judgement. Humans are. Religious humans – well, Absolutely Moral Christians are somewhat questionable here. So what do you think of that old ‘Turn the other cheek’ wheeze?

Querius @ 81: Psalm 137 is not asking the Babylonians how they’d like it if somebody treated them as badly as they’ve treated the Hebrews, they’re telling the world how happy they would be if they could smash their children on a rock:

8 O daughter of Babylon, you devastator!
Happy shall he be who requites you
with what you have done to us!
9 Happy shall he be who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rock!

Querius @ 82: And yet, God wrapped himself in a human body to be tortured to death to pay the price for all the sin and pain you caused to others, handing you the opportunity for forgiveness.

Riiiight! I can almost see God’s thought processes. “Hmm, I condemned Adam and Eve and ALL of their descendants to eternal life in Hell because they disobeyed my distinct order and learned the difference between right and wrong. I feel kind of bad about that now and I’d like to forgive them, but if I changed my mind, I’d no longer be unchanging … wait, I know! I’ll have a son through one of those humans and torture HIM to death, thus freeing me from my vow! I’ll let the theologians work out the details of how and why I did it that way.”

The whole atonement story was the best explanation the earliest Christians could come up with to explain why their savior had died at the hands of the Romans.

Barry @ 84: The Golden Rule goes back at least to Confucius c. 500 BC. Confucius claimed it went back to at least 1000 BC or even later. You can use it to judge God, but He doesn’t do so well.

Barry @ 87: One of the definitions of “objective” is that nearly everybody can agree about some things. Very very few people want their families murdered or their hearts cut out, even if God is allegedly ordering it.

Upright @ 89: Querious is going to have to tell the truth if he expects me to believe him. See my reply to him above.


Surprised MatSpirit hasn’t been banned already.

‘Course, I usually get banned quickly for pointing out that BatShit is, well, Bat Shit.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2020,20:36   

He's fertilizer?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,08:40   

ET displays his vocabulary skills by incorrectly correcting the title of the thread that starts with "Principal Researcher" by writing

 
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“Principle” not “Principal”- unless they were researching Principals, of course.


Good job, ET! :-) You'd be right if the guy was researching principles. However, given that he is the "main" researcher (i.e., principal), you're wrong.

Anyone who posts over there want to point this out and have fun with ET can't-be-wrong-ism.

link

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,09:41   

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ET displays his vocabulary skills by incorrectly correcting the title of the thread that starts with "Principal Researcher" by writing

         
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" ET
July 12, 2020 at 8:50 pm

“Principle” not “Principal”- unless they were researching Principals, of course.


Good job, ET! :-) You'd be right if the guy was researching principles. However, given that he is the "main" researcher (i.e., principal), you're wrong.

Anyone who posts over there want to point this out and have fun with ET can't-be-wrong-ism.

link

As much as it pains me to say this Joke might have got this one right.

The article is titled "The Principal Research Scientist At Georgia Tech Explains Why He Does Not Believe In A Multiverse".   It goes to an article by a Dr. Tim Andersen who runs a blog "The Infinite Universe - First Principles in Science, Philosophy, and Religion".  The linked article itself talks a good deal about the anthropic principle.   The guy isn't the main researcher at GT but he may be the only one investigating principles of the universe.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.   :)

ETA:  Upon further consideration either "principal" or "principle" could be correct depending on what Dense O'Dreary was actually trying to convey.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,10:11   

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ET displays his vocabulary skills by incorrectly correcting the title of the thread that starts with "Principal Researcher" by writing

         
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" ET
July 12, 2020 at 8:50 pm

“Principle” not “Principal”- unless they were researching Principals, of course.


Good job, ET! :-) You'd be right if the guy was researching principles. However, given that he is the "main" researcher (i.e., principal), you're wrong.

Anyone who posts over there want to point this out and have fun with ET can't-be-wrong-ism.

[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/the-principal-research-scientist-at-georgia-tech-explains-why-he-does-not-believe-in-a-mul

tiverse/#comment-706711]link[/URL]

As much as it pains me to say this Joke might have got this one right.

The article is titled "The Principal Research Scientist At Georgia Tech Explains Why He Does Not Believe In A Multiverse".   It goes to an article by a Dr. Tim Andersen who runs a blog "The Infinite Universe - First Principles in Science, Philosophy, and Religion".  The linked article itself talks a good deal about the anthropic principle.   The guy isn't the main researcher at GT but he may be the only one investigating principles of the universe.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.   :)

ETA:  Upon further consideration either "principal" or "principle" could be correct depending on what Dense O'Dreary was actually trying to convey.

Tim, the principal principle researcher.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,18:39   

If you go to the article linked to at UD, at the bottom it says:

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Tim Andersen, Ph.D.
Studied statistical mechanics, general relativity, and quantum field theory. Principal Research Scientist at Georgia Tech.


News got it right, and I checked before I wrote my post.

ET got it wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,20:19   

ET corrected himself, and said "my bad". Good for him. Case closed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,22:45   

Still paranoid after all these ... two days:  
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polistra:

I support being able to eat, so I follow the law when in a store. But I also know that the masks have no connection at all with any microscopic viruses. The masks and lockdowns serve solely to increase the perverted pleasure of the demented psychopaths who are ruining the earth and killing all of its people for their own satisfaction.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,22:53   

Quote (Jkrebs @ July 13 2020,18:39)
If you go to the article linked to at UD, at the bottom it says:

 
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Written by
Tim Andersen, Ph.D.
Studied statistical mechanics, general relativity, and quantum field theory. Principal Research Scientist at Georgia Tech.


News got it right, and I checked before I wrote my post.

ET got it wrong.

OK, I missed that too.  Thanks.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 13 2020,23:00   

Quote (CeilingCat @ July 13 2020,22:45)
Still paranoid after all these ... two days:  
Quote
polistra:

I support being able to eat, so I follow the law when in a store. But I also know that the masks have no connection at all with any microscopic viruses. The masks and lockdowns serve solely to increase the perverted pleasure of the demented psychopaths who are ruining the earth and killing all of its people for their own satisfaction.

Even if that bit of crazy was true, so what?  Why would it matter if psychopaths got perverted pleasure from you doing something utterly innocuous?

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CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2020,01:05   

Quote (Texas Teach @ July 13 2020,23:00)
     
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 13 2020,22:45)
Still paranoid after all these ... two days:          
Quote
polistra:

I support being able to eat, so I follow the law when in a store. But I also know that the masks have no connection at all with any microscopic viruses. The masks and lockdowns serve solely to increase the perverted pleasure of the demented psychopaths who are ruining the earth and killing all of its people for their own satisfaction.

Even if that bit of crazy was true, so what?  Why would it matter if psychopaths got perverted pleasure from you doing something utterly innocuous?

Speaking of psycopaths getting perverted pleasure out of killing everyone:      
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Genesis 6:7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them."
 Well, at least He had a reason.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2020,07:59   

Quote (CeilingCat @ July 13 2020,23:45)
Still paranoid after all these ... two days:  
Quote
polistra:

I support being able to eat, so I follow the law when in a store. But I also know that the masks have no connection at all with any microscopic viruses. The masks and lockdowns serve solely to increase the perverted pleasure of the demented psychopaths who are ruining the earth and killing all of its people for their own satisfaction.

Link?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2020,08:43   

Quote (stevestory @ July 14 2020,05:59)
Quote (CeilingCat @ July 13 2020,23:45)
Still paranoid after all these ... two days:    
Quote
polistra:

I support being able to eat, so I follow the law when in a store. But I also know that the masks have no connection at all with any microscopic viruses. The masks and lockdowns serve solely to increase the perverted pleasure of the demented psychopaths who are ruining the earth and killing all of its people for their own satisfaction.

Link?

"I can't breathe in this mask, the oxygen doesn't get through!"

next breath:

"Masks won't stop the spread of viruses, they're too small!"

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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2020,11:58   

ET is the voice of reason in that thread.

I guess he’ll has frozen over.

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2020,13:07   

Stevestory: Link?

Paranoid

Remove the <br> from the URL if it 404s

It's in the At American Council On Science And Health: Political Partisanship Is A Public Health Scourge thread.

Edited by CeilingCat on July 14 2020,13:11

  
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