Joined: Oct. 2005
July 6, 2020 at 9:45 pm
Barry @ 21:
“Miss the point much? You are doing the very thing your metaphysical premises prevent you from doing. I know you can’t help yourself. But the logical incoherence of judging while denying there is any standard by which to judge is there just the same.”
Barry, I know you wrote the OP, but did you read it? If you did, how did you not notice your fine Aztec example of doing evil at the command of God? Why didn’t you notice that they did monstrous evil because they followed divine commands? I would say it’s because like just about everybody else in Conservative Christianity, you started out with your conclusions and set out to justify them with whatever came to hand.
You don’t have any idea of my “metaphysical premises”. For that matter, you, KF and the rest of the boys don’t have any idea of what morality is, what it’s for or where it comes from, let alone what good, bad and evil really are. As far as you’re concerned, if some long dead human says that God said “Thus saith Jehovah of hosts, I have marked that which Amalek did to Israel, how he set himself against him in the way, when he came up out of Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” (1 Samuel 15:2,3) Kill every man, woman, infant and baby PLUS every ox, sheep, camel and ass for something the forefathers of Amalek supposedly did centuries ago! And that’s what you call Absolute Biblical Morality!
But evil King Saul did not follow all of God’s orders. “But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but everything that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly. (1 Sam 15:9)
But that does lead to one of the best lines in the Bible: “And Samuel came to Saul; and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of Jehovah: I have performed the commandment of Jehovah. And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?” (1 Sam 15:13,14) Can’t you just hear Mel Brooks saying that?
But Saul suffers greatly for disobeying part of God’s orders. “… Because thou hast rejected the word of Jehovah, he hath also rejected thee from being king.” (1 Sam 15,23)
So Saul lost his job and his life because he obeyed God’s orders to kill the men, women, children and babies for something the Amalekites supposedly did centuries previously, but he spared the best of their livestock to sacrifice to the Lord. This Absolute Morality stuff is a little hard to understand, sometimes.