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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2013,03:08   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 04 2013,19:27)
Sal's latest OP: He's just as petty as Joe. ID sure attracts 'em.

Mmmmm. I haven't read the book, but I'd be interested in shit-stirring the opinions of those who have.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2013,06:18   

I haven't read the book, but I have researched this topic.

1. Hitler expressed creationist views.

"The consequence of this racial purity, universally valid in Nature, is not only the sharp outward delimitation of the various races, but their uniform character in themselves. The fox is always a fox, the goose a goose, the tiger a tiger, etc., and the difference can lie at most in the varying measure of force, strength, intelligence, dexterity, endurance, etc., of the individual specimens."

He saw nature as upholding his view of non-mixing between kinds (and races):

"Even the most superficial observation shows that Nature's restricted form of propagation and increase is an almost rigid basic law of all the innumerable forms of expression of her vital urge. Every animal mates only with a member of the same species. The titmouse seeks the titmouse, the finch the finch, the stork the stork, the field mouse the field mouse, the dormouse the dormouse, the wolf the she-wolf, etc."[1]

He believed that man was created by a Creator:

"On this planet of ours human culture and civilization are indissolubly bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he should be exterminated or subjugated, then the dark shroud of a new barbarian era would enfold the earth.
To undermine the existence of human culture by exterminating its founders and custodians would be an execrable crime in the eyes of those who believe that the folk-idea lies at the basis of human existence. Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise."[2]

"For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will."[3]

These views of Hitler's are incompatible with Darwin's theory.


2. Other views of Hitler are incompatible with Darwin's theory.

Hitler had a negative view of variety in a species:

"The result of all racial crossing is therefore in brief always the following:

Lowering of the level of the higher race;
Physical and intellectual regression and hence the beginning of a slowly but surely progressing sickness.

To bring about such a development is, then, nothing else but to sin against the will of the eternal creator."[1]

Darwin's theory of evolution requires variety in a breeding population so that

"natural selection will then accumulate all profitable variations, however slight, until they become plainly developed and appreciable by us."[4]

Variety within species becomes variety of species:

"As each species tends by its geometrical ratio of reproduction to increase inordinately in number; and as the modified descendants of each species will be enabled to increase by so much the more as they become more diversified in habits and structure, so as to be enabled to seize on many and widely different places in the economy of nature, there will be a constant tendency in natural selection to preserve the most divergent offspring of any one species. Hence during a long-continued course of modification, the slight differences, characteristic of varieties of the same species, tend to be augmented into the greater differences characteristic of species of the same genus."[5]

Hitler wanted the opposite of variety:

"In principle, the State is looked upon only as a means to an end and this end is the conservation of the racial characteristics of mankind."[6]

Hitler believed that humanity progressed, "like climbing an endless ladder"[1]

The theory of evolution holds that species only adapt relative to those around them.

"As natural selection acts by competition, it adapts the inhabitants of each country only in relation to the degree of perfection of their associates;"

Nature cares nothing for human standards:

"Nor ought we to marvel if all the contrivances in nature be not, as far as we can judge, absolutely perfect; and if some of them be abhorrent to our ideas of fitness."[7]


3. Hitler never refers to Darwin or Darwin's theory of evolution in Mein Kampf.

Darwin's name is absent from Mein Kampf. Nowhere does Hitler even use the terms Evolutionslehre (Evolution), Abstammungslehre (Evolutionary theory), Deszendenz-Theorie (Theory of Descent), or any word that obviously refers to evolutionary theory.


4. Darwin's works were rejected by Nazi authorities.

In 1935, Die Bcherei, the official Nazi journal for lending libraries, added to their banned list

"Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Hckel)."[8]


5. "Social Darwinism" does not reflect, nor is it a development of, Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

I'm sure you could all argue this point yourselves, so I won't paste this bit. I will just point out that Stigler's Law, various misnamed principles (e.g The Matthew Effect), misnamed places (e.g US of A), and Spaghetti Bolognese (not eaten in Bologna) are all apt.




[1] Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol 1, Chap XI
[2] Mein Kampf, Vol 2, Chap II
[3] Mein Kampf, Vol 2, Chap X
[4] Charles Darwin, On the Origin of Species (Variorum text, ebook). pp 279
[5] On the Origin of Species. pp734
[6] Mein Kampf, Vol 2, Chap I
[7] On the Origin of Species. pp737
[8] http://speccoll.library.arizona.edu/exhibit....nts.htm


The truth is that one can find instances where Hitler seems to be somewhat aware of the theory of evolution, but also plenty of instances where he explicitly rubbishes it. Hitler's views were a hodgepodge. Certainly Darwin's theory was not a great influence upon him.

The issue is a little (but hardly inextricably) clouded by the fact that the original English translation of Tischgesprche was entirely based upon the French but the French translator was fraudulent, wishing to sever any links between Hitler and Christianity.

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Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2013,08:43   

Quote (Driver @ July 05 2013,12:18)
I haven't read the book, but I have researched this topic.

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Pretty obvious to anyone with half an understanding that, even if Hitler did think he was implementing Darwinism (he didn't), he got it completely and utterly wrong. Selection is not indiscriminate. If the UD minions were even halfway serious about 'what we are up against', they would be promoting an accurate view of the ToE, not perpetuating misinformation.

Unusually, Byers comes close to being a voice of reason in the comments. Which speaks volumes.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2013,09:55   

MOAR:

http://evolutionlist.blogspot.com/2008....in.html

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2013,23:42   

So, the old "Darwinism leads to Nazism" is back in action -- I guess they forget to mention that Darwinism also causes cancer, premature baldness, loss of sex drive, and eczema.  

*yawn*

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2013,07:15   

Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 05 2013,23:42)
So, the old "Darwinism leads to Nazism" is back in action

"back in action"? When was there ever a time when it wasn't in active use?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2013,11:17   

Ol' Slimy:

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I care about truth if there is a God.


When did they start arguing for atheism?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2013,11:40   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 06 2013,09:17)
Ol' Slimy:

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I care about truth if there is a God.


When did they start arguing for atheism?

Glen Davidson

So Sal, if there were no God, you wouldn't care about the truth?

You'd steal from the cookie jar if you knew mom wouldn't catch you?  

That's sad.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2013,15:43   

From KF:
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So to be able to speak for record in the teeth of abusive steamroller tactics is important.

Does he have a mixed metaphor machine under his desk? This one is truly gruesome.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2013,15:59   

KF calls this dogmatic:
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The principal product of science is knowledge in the form of naturalistic concepts and the laws and theories related to those concepts . . . .[[S]cience, along with its methods, explanations and generalizations, must be the sole focus of instruction in science classes to the exclusion of all non-scientific or pseudoscientific methods, explanations, generalizations and products . . . .Although no single universal step-by-step scientific method captures the complexity of doing science, a number of shared values and perspectives characterize a scientific approach to understanding nature. Among these are a demand for naturalistic explanations supported by empirical evidence that are, at least in principle, testable against the natural world. Other shared elements include observations, rational argument, inference, skepticism, peer review and replicability of work . . . .Science, by definition, is limited to naturalistic methods and explanations and, as such, is precluded from using supernatural elements in the production of scientific knowledge. [NSTA, Board of Directors, July 2000. Emphases added.]

And then offers Newton as a "corrective":
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As in Mathematicks, so in Natural Philosophy, the Investigation of difficult Things by the Method of Analysis, ought ever to precede the Method of Composition. This Analysis consists in making Experiments and Observations, and in drawing general Conclusions from them by Induction, and admitting of no Objections against the Conclusions, but such as are taken from Experiments, or other certain Truths. For Hypotheses are not to be regarded in experimental Philosophy. And although the arguing from Experiments and Observations by Induction be no Demonstration of general Conclusions; yet it is the best way of arguing which the Nature of Things admits of, and may be looked upon as so much the stronger, by how much the Induction is more general. And if no Exception occur from Phaenomena, the Conclusion may be pronounced generally. But if at any time afterwards any Exception shall occur from Experiments, it may then begin to be pronounced with such Exceptions as occur. By this way of Analysis we may proceed from Compounds to Ingredients, and from Motions to the Forces producing them; and in general, from Effects to their Causes, and from particular Causes to more general ones, till the Argument end in the most general. This is the Method of Analysis: And the Synthesis consists in assuming the Causes discoverd, and establishd as Principles, and by them explaining the Phaenomena proceeding from them, and proving the Explanations.

I can't, for the life of me, see how the NSTA and Newton are saying anything to contradict each other.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2013,16:34   

Quote (fnxtr @ July 06 2013,17:40)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 06 2013,09:17)
Ol' Slimy:

 
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I care about truth if there is a God.


When did they start arguing for atheism?

Glen Davidson

So Sal, if there were no God, you wouldn't care about the truth?

You'd steal from the cookie jar if you knew mom wouldn't catch you?

That's sad.

He'd murder his neighbour and rape his dog. We all would.

Sal also says,

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What is the payoff if there is no God?


Inside the bedroom of a doubting couple:

- Oh baby!
- Darling! yes!
- yes!
- yes!
- YES!
- YES!
- ... Why have you stopped?
- What is the payoff if there is no God?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2013,20:28   

Quote (Cubist @ July 06 2013,06:15)
Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 05 2013,23:42)
So, the old "Darwinism leads to Nazism" is back in action

"back in action"? When was there ever a time when it wasn't in active use?

The 1930's? :p

  
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,09:08   

Slimy Sal is definitely angling for a full time job with a professional Creationist organization - ICR or AIG maybe. In the last few days he's come out arguing for a young Earth using the same tired PRATTs, "C14 and DNA found in dino bone shows they're young", "fossil show rapid burial like in a great Flood", etc. He's also announced this week he'll be attending the Creation Astronomy Conference at a Christian college in Wisconsin, where he'll learn "Astronomys Young Age Indicators and "supernatural creation remains a credible alternative to the Moon's origin. " :D

Sal might be a dishonest lying weasel but he's no fool. He needs a paycheck and will suck whatever Creationist dick he has to in order to get one.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,09:46   

Is it too late to coin the term Sewellage?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,14:37   

Quote (midwifetoad @ July 07 2013,10:46)
Is it too late to coin the term Sewellage?

brilliant

may its use outlive sewell

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REC



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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,17:50   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 07 2013,09:08)
Slimy Sal is definitely angling for a full time job with a professional Creationist organization - ICR or AIG maybe. In the last few days he's come out arguing for a young Earth using the same tired PRATTs, "C14 and DNA found in dino bone shows they're young", "fossil show rapid burial like in a great Flood", etc. He's also announced this week he'll be attending the Creation Astronomy Conference at a Christian college in Wisconsin, where he'll learn "Astronomys Young Age Indicators and "supernatural creation remains a credible alternative to the Moon's origin. " :D

Sal might be a dishonest lying weasel but he's no fool. He needs a paycheck and will suck whatever Creationist dick he has to in order to get one.

Now he's promoting numerology:

Breaking News: pro-ID peer-reviewed paper by Vladimir I. Cherbaka and Maxim A. Makukov

Sal, we've established crackpots can sneak publications into low-impact journals. What impact do they have? Are they ever cited? Are they moving science forward? The figures in the paper Sal is promoting look identical to a paper by the same author 10 years ago. I think many of us have seen this numerology crap before:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science....3000791
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science....3000662

Sal simply isn't thinking like a scientist--he's a culture warrior. I think he could care less if there is any truth at all in the paper. He admits it is like a game--as if this paper is a scored goal:

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I havent read it yet, but thats not the point, it got through review. Matzke wasnt quick enough on the trigger this time around.


Edited by REC on July 07 2013,17:56

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,20:49   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 07 2013,09:08)
Slimy Sal is definitely angling for a full time job with a professional Creationist organization - ICR or AIG maybe. In the last few days he's come out arguing for a young Earth using the same tired PRATTs, "C14 and DNA found in dino bone shows they're young", "fossil show rapid burial like in a great Flood", etc. He's also announced this week he'll be attending the Creation Astronomy Conference at a Christian college in Wisconsin, where he'll learn "Astronomys Young Age Indicators and "supernatural creation remains a credible alternative to the Moon's origin. " :D

Sal might be a dishonest lying weasel but he's no fool. He needs a paycheck and will suck whatever Creationist dick he has to in order to get one.

The antievolution organizations are going to want to see a Ph.D. with a job application.

They historically haven't been picky about the quality of the Ph.D., they just want to be able to refer to their spokespeople as "Doctor".

So, where does Sal stand on this? I seem to recall someone saying he had a master's now. Any further graduate school news for Sal?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,21:00   

Slight correction:
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Slimey Sal gets posting privileges, shows true colors, surprises no one. In other news, dog bites beats Darwin.


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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,21:58   

It's hardly worth mentioning, but has anyone else here noticed this pattern? Almost immediately Cornelius posts anything at UD, BA77 leaps in to the comments with screeds of his copy-pasta, often beginning 'OT:' or 'semi-related', along with 'F/N' or 'verse and music' headed follow ups. He cross-posts them to Corny's blog too. I'm not sure what it all means, if anything, but it does seem odd - more than any others he seems to treat each of CH's posts as an opportunity to jump in to the comment stream.

Edited by Ptaylor on July 08 2013,15:00

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,22:36   

Quote (Ptaylor @ July 07 2013,21:58)
It's hardly worth mentioning, but has anyone else here noticed this pattern? Almost immediately Cornelius posts anything at UD, BA77 leaps in to the comments with screeds of his copy-pasta, often beginning 'OT:' or 'semi-related', along with 'F/N' or 'verse and music' headed follow ups. He cross-posts them to Corny's blog too. I'm not sure what it all means, if anything, but it does seem odd - more than any others he seems to treat each of CH's posts as an opportunity to jump in to the comment stream.

Corny's one of the few people on the planet who hasn't called Batshit77 on the carpet for his obnoxious spam-fests. Hell, even his fellow IDiots at UD regularly tell him to put a sock in it.

Batshit77 takes Corny's silence as a stamp of approval so follows Corny around like a lost puppy dog.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,23:46   

I'm stuck wondering how we're supposed to consider evolution falsified if we lack a time machine to demonstrate how it was evolved--even though many elements of sexual reproduction reveal marked evidence of having evolved from their non-sexual forebears.

Of course for Corny any theory of evolution has to be absolutely rigid and falsified, not only by something that an open-minded person would consider to call for a modification of theory, but even by not explaining every damned thing less than two decades after the human genome was sequenced. True, we could accommodate his idiocy, and say that dozens, possibly hundreds, of evolutionary theories have been falsified, and we're constantly making new ones to deal with new discoveries--none of which come from his brand of stupidity and dishonesty. But that's palpably absurd to common sense, and all complex theories are regularly modified, from plate tectonics to meteorology to ecological theories.

More absurd is to claim that sexual reproduction, which has the usual hallmarks of having evolved--from mitosis (which also has the evidence of having evolved from fission)--actually falsifies evolution. No, moron, what we do know about the origin of sexual reproduction is known via evolutionary theory, and, as usual, you just want to throw out what we do know to make way for your vast ignorance.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2013,23:48   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ July 05 2013,01:08)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 04 2013,19:27)
Sal's latest OP: He's just as petty as Joe. ID sure attracts 'em.

Mmmmm. I haven't read the book, but I'd be interested in shit-stirring the opinions of those who have.

I have it on order. Jerry is a jackass, so I expect that the book will be jackassery. ;)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,00:04   

One set of ideas on the evolution of meiosis.

Oh hey, here's some of that evidence that evolution explains, and ID doesn't care about:

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A key point is that there are prokaryotic homologs of all the key molecules employed in eukaryotic mitosis


When ID can explain anything--no, explain, not blather about information "needing a Designer"--it'll be at the first step on a long road to becoming worth considering.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,00:33   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 07 2013,20:36)
Quote (Ptaylor @ July 07 2013,21:58)
It's hardly worth mentioning, but has anyone else here noticed this pattern? Almost immediately Cornelius posts anything at UD, BA77 leaps in to the comments with screeds of his copy-pasta, often beginning 'OT:' or 'semi-related', along with 'F/N' or 'verse and music' headed follow ups. He cross-posts them to Corny's blog too. I'm not sure what it all means, if anything, but it does seem odd - more than any others he seems to treat each of CH's posts as an opportunity to jump in to the comment stream.

Corny's one of the few people on the planet who hasn't called Batshit77 on the carpet for his obnoxious spam-fests. Hell, even his fellow IDiots at UD regularly tell him to put a sock in it.

Batshit77 takes Corny's silence as a stamp of approval so follows Corny around like a lost puppy dog.

I think he sees Corny as a father figure whose approval he craves.

Edited by keiths on July 07 2013,22:34

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,01:25   

cantor:

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Consider the following:

If I were to randomly select a group of 75 different people from a roomful of 200 men and 100 women, what is the probability that the selected group would contain exactly 25 women?


I believe the answer to this is C(100, 25)*C(200, 50)/C(300, 75), which is about 11.2%. Unless I'm wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,02:01   

Nice to see Sal back to 'normal'. I suppose he's already made himself unemployable anyway, so figures he doesn't have much to lose in that regard. But what would Jesus think of Sal's anticks?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,03:50   

Niwrad is given posting rights at UD and produces this:
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Corollary of the 2nd law.In an isolated system, organization never increases spontaneously. Hence the 2nd law refutes evolution.

Doing well until the end of the first sentence.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,04:06   

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Niwrad is given posting rights at UD and produces this:
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Corollary of the 2nd law. In an isolated system, organization never increases spontaneously. Hence the 2nd law refutes evolution.

Doing well until the end of the first sentence.

Yes, I see why he's given posting rights.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,04:40   

The most ridiculous thing about the "evolution contravenes 2LOT" trope is the notion that physicists would be silent about an obvious mistake in another field.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2013,05:37   

Quote (Quack @ July 08 2013,04:06)
Quote (timothya @ July 08 2013,03:50)
Niwrad is given posting rights at UD and produces this:
 
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Corollary of the 2nd law. In an isolated system, organization never increases spontaneously. Hence the 2nd law refutes evolution.

Doing well until the end of the first sentence.

Yes, I see why he's given posting rights.

Anybody beside BA77 left without posting privileges?

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