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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2018,18:01    Quote 319 AntoninNovember 3, 2018 at 4:18 pm Quote Can the same person asking Professor Felsenstein to answer gpuccio’s comments addressed to him long ago, also let University of Kentucky professor Arthur Hunt know that many curious readers are still waiting for his reply to gpuccio’s comments addressed to him? Thanks. I’ve not seen Professor Hunt commenting at The Skeptical Zone. I have seen him commenting at Peaceful Science, Josh Swamidass’s site. Art’s email address is published on his website, so why not just email him? Quote Does anybody else wonder why these professors ran away when the discussions got deep into real evidence territory? There’s an assumption in your question. If fact there are two. I think it might have been attributed to Richard Dawkins; a remark along the lines of “it might look good on his CV but it won’t look good on mine.” Some interactions prove not to be worth the effort. See ET above. 🙂 Quote 320 AntoninNovember 3, 2018 at 4:29 pm KF: Quote Antonin, there is only one actually observed biological life that is metabolic and self-replicating. Of course! Glad to see we agree on universal common descent. lol

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2018,19:41    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 03 2018,16:01) Quote 319 AntoninNovember 3, 2018 at 4:18 pm Quote Can the same person asking Professor Felsenstein to answer gpuccio’s comments addressed to him long ago, also let University of Kentucky professor Arthur Hunt know that many curious readers are still waiting for his reply to gpuccio’s comments addressed to him? Thanks. I’ve not seen Professor Hunt commenting at The Skeptical Zone. I have seen him commenting at Peaceful Science, Josh Swamidass’s site. Art’s email address is published on his website, so why not just email him? Quote Does anybody else wonder why these professors ran away when the discussions got deep into real evidence territory? There’s an assumption in your question. If fact there are two. I think it might have been attributed to Richard Dawkins; a remark along the lines of “it might look good on his CV but it won’t look good on mine.” Some interactions prove not to be worth the effort. See ET above. 🙂 Quote 320 AntoninNovember 3, 2018 at 4:29 pm KF: Quote Antonin, there is only one actually observed biological life that is metabolic and self-replicating. Of course! Glad to see we agree on universal common descent. lol Great. Now I hear Red Hot Chili Peppers singing: "Roller Coaster... of  LOLs... oo hoo, hoo, hoo..." -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,08:02    Antonin is making KF look like a fool on this thread. Can running to hide behind Barry’s skirt be far behind? Link

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,09:14    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 04 2018,09:02) Antonin is making KF look like a fool on this thread. Can running to hide behind Barry’s skirt be far behind? Link Quote 357 AntoninNovember 4, 2018 at 5:54 am Quote …a pile of ABU 6500 C3 reel parts in a bucket… Good grief!

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,09:18    Quote 342 AntoninNovember 4, 2018 at 2:13 am KF: Quote common design will work just as well Until you or anyone propose a mechanism, this is wishful thinking. Bannination is probly near

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,10:23    Quote 1 polistraNovember 4, 2018 at 1:00 am The differences aren’t the issue. The scary part is the hidden UNSTATED assumption. These differences can’t be part of the programming if the car doesn’t KNOW how to DETECT these differences. In other words, autonomous cars are already capable of distinguishing old vs young, male vs female, legal vs illegal, Correct vs Deplorable. Self-driving cars are roaming Inquisitors, sorting out the gold from the dross and squashing the dross on command. THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS GROTESQUE PROJECT. Quote 2 LatemarchNovember 4, 2018 at 6:03 am I think that you just gave me the plot for my next dystopian sci-fi novel. Quote 3 daveSNovember 4, 2018 at 6:38 am Quote THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS GROTESQUE PROJECT. 😮 I thought it was more about safety, efficiency, and of course selling cars. Quote 4 kairosfocusNovember 4, 2018 at 6:45 am DS, dig for where the military-industrial complex lurks in this and then use FOIA to drag out the paper trail. KF Quote 5 LatemarchNovember 4, 2018 at 6:52 am DS: I like the safety and efficiency of my autonomous car. **Of course, I have to say that because it monitors this site.** Quote 6 daveSNovember 4, 2018 at 7:07 am Heh. I just worry that some of these crazy conspiracy theories could limit our future development.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,11:07    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 04 2018,18:23) Quote 1 polistraNovember 4, 2018 at 1:00 am The differences aren’t the issue. The scary part is the hidden UNSTATED assumption. These differences can’t be part of the programming if the car doesn’t KNOW how to DETECT these differences. In other words, autonomous cars are already capable of distinguishing old vs young, male vs female, legal vs illegal, Correct vs Deplorable. Self-driving cars are roaming Inquisitors, sorting out the gold from the dross and squashing the dross on command. THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS GROTESQUE PROJECT.   Quote 2 LatemarchNovember 4, 2018 at 6:03 am I think that you just gave me the plot for my next dystopian sci-fi novel.   Quote 3 daveSNovember 4, 2018 at 6:38 am   Quote THAT’S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS GROTESQUE PROJECT. 😮 I thought it was more about safety, efficiency, and of course selling cars.   Quote 4 kairosfocusNovember 4, 2018 at 6:45 am DS, dig for where the military-industrial complex lurks in this and then use FOIA to drag out the paper trail. KF   Quote 5 LatemarchNovember 4, 2018 at 6:52 am DS: I like the safety and efficiency of my autonomous car. **Of course, I have to say that because it monitors this site.**   Quote 6 daveSNovember 4, 2018 at 7:07 am Heh. I just worry that some of these crazy conspiracy theories could limit our future development. ???  :O  :D   It's autonomous turtles* all the way down. *substitute devils, cars, creationists or stoners for effect. In coastal regions just use Zodiacs™. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,11:21    TINFOIL HATS ARE GO! -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,13:14    There isn’t enough foil in the world to protect Gordon from the things that frighten him. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,14:25    Quote Millennials are dumping religion for witchcraft, not science November 4, 2018 Posted by News under Culture, Intelligent Design, Religion, Science

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,15:10    Quote the latest from News: Terror of Existence: Cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer loved, then loathed, Darwinism Apparently, Darwin made him kill and eat his lovers. Strangely, I am an evolution proponent and I have never had the urge to kill and eat anyone I have been intimate with. I obviously don’t understand evolution. Link to crazy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,16:23    She's paid to post 4 posts per day, to make the site look active and vital. That was #4 for today. If she wasn't being paid to do that, UD would be about as hoppin' as Telic Thoughts.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,16:29    Are there any ID Creationist blogs left which have real, organically-driven participation and content? UD is kind of a Potemkin Blog at this point. Its commenters are more or less the people from the village in Gymkata.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,18:07    EricMH acts retardular, and goodusername succintly KOs him. Poor dumb bastard then tries to stumble around a bit.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2018,23:16    In another thread, Eric gets even more entertaining.       Quote @daveS, when I was considering atheism I was ambivalent regarding abortion. ID convinced me to become much more pro-life, because I realized there was an inherent difference between human beings and matter, and thus humans were somehow special at the very point of conception. In fact, it also convinced me that masturbation and contraception were wrong, because in a certain sense they keep a person from even beginning to exist, which appeared to me even more horrible than murder. Sleep tight tonight.  Your Air Force is awake and not masturbating. Link

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2018,03:09    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 04 2018,18:07) EricMH acts retardular, and goodusername succintly KOs him. Poor dumb bastard then tries to stumble around a bit. Although he missed a trick. He should have suggested Eric throw his computer out of a helicopter. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2018,06:49    Quote 11 Bob O'H November 5, 2018 at 2:30 am   Quote @goodusername, which is a good indication that something more than gravity is at work in our world. Yes, electromagnatism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Oh, and stupidity. Sometimes I wonder why I have been banned. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2018,09:43    Stupidity isn't a force. Forces have to be finite, don't they?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2018,12:15    The stupidity just keeps growing. Quote Tribune7: ToE has inspired other school shootings: link You can't just make this stuff up Edited by stevestory on Nov. 08 2018,10:20

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2018,12:55    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 05 2018,09:43) Stupidity isn't a force. Forces have to be finite, don't they? Good point. I should retract that statement. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2018,23:21    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 05 2018,07:43) Stupidity isn't a force. Forces have to be finite, don't they? I really like that observation.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2018,11:01    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2018,10:15) The stupidity just keeps growing.   Quote Tribune7: ToE has inspired other school shootings: [URL=https://www.harun-yahya.net/en/Articles/159216/the-role-of-the-theory" You can't just make this stuff up Harun fucking Yahya?!?! There's a 3-foot hole under the barrel where the bottom has been scraped through. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2018,12:03    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 05 2018,09:43) Stupidity isn't a force. Forces have to be finite, don't they? Not if stupidity is the result of an intelligent agent.

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2018,12:36    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 04 2018,16:10) Quote the latest from News: Terror of Existence: Cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer loved, then loathed, Darwinism Apparently, Darwin made him kill and eat his lovers. Strangely, I am an evolution proponent and I have never had the urge to kill and eat anyone I have been intimate with. I obviously don’t understand evolution. Link to crazy Dahmer's son was a YEC. A dinosaur-bone-dater. Radiocarbon Dates for Dinosaur Bones?

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2018,15:36    But, somebody's feelings about a scientific conclusion are not among the criteria for judging the accuracy of that conclusion. Regardless of which "side" that somebody is on.

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2018,18:54    Hmm, relative newcomer Tom Robbins has been fitting quite nicely at UD, with fairly tardy posts in full endorsement of ID. His latest one however, seems to have crossed a line - he suggested that it isn't really in UD's best interests to accuse commenters of cowardice and general name calling. The result:   Quote 27 Tom Robbins    November 7, 2018 at 5:18 pm UD Editors: Mr. Robbins’ false flag BS deleted -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2018,21:24    Hmmm. This post by OldAndrew, implicitly addressed to Barry, may not last, and neither may OldAndrew. Quote 35 OldAndrew . November 7, 2018 at 8:47 pm What sane person would take lessons about right and wrong from anyone who acts this way? Actions speak louder than words, while words speak louder than contrived hypothetical actions. You seem like mean, angry, abusive people. But let’s talk about actions. In 1195 Pope Celestine III ordered a jihad, I mean crusade, against the pagans in Latvia. Something in the objective natural moral law said that it was a good idea to start kllling people and “converting” others by force. Blood was spilled. Lives were ruined. If you believe in Satan then surely he was pulling the strings. And that was just one war. In the 20th century women were enslaved to do laundry. Ireland is still digging up skeletons of women and infants where they were tossed in mass graves like garbage. Let those images sink in. I hope that every time someone hears the words “objective morality” and “natural moral law” they picture blood-splattered knights surrounded by carnage and mass graves full of the bodies of slaves and their babies. Link

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2018,21:33    And on a lighter note, Kairosfocus linked to a site about what's been keeping busy him in Montserrat. Can you imagine having him involved in your local politics? link

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2018,09:11    Quote 469 AntoninNovember 8, 2018 at 7:47 am gpuccio: Quote I would like to clairfy that I have never “tried to get someone to call Joe Felsenstein’s attention”. I have simply posted my old argument, specifying that it was a criticism to a statement by Joe Felsenstein, and that, as far as I am aware, he has never answered that particular point. Sure. It was my suggestion to pass on a head-up. I don’t know if mung or someone else did so or whether Professor Felsenstein independently noticed comments when preparing his article at The Panda’s Thumb. In all events, your scenario should now get an airing. My thoughts regarding your (shall-we-say) evolution-critical articles here at UD involving you performing number crunching on raw sequence data is that it doesn’t bear on reality. The difficulty is that you have spread your argument over several opening posts and many comments so it’s hard to know what your best and most concise exposition is. Not wanting to create work for you but how much effort would it take to cut and paste the salient points into an abstract or summary with links to the original material. Apologies if you already did this and I missed it. A downloadable PDF would be marvelous! You are far from a BA77 or a KF but a little editing, fact from opinion, would be helpful. linky

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2018,09:48    But what if the ID supporters don't have salient points?

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