RSS 2.0 Feed

» Welcome Guest Log In :: Register

Pages: (472) < ... 464 465 466 467 468 [469] 470 471 472 >   
  Topic: Uncommonly Dense Thread 5, Return To Teh Dingbat Buffet< Next Oldest | Next Newest >  
Dr.GH



Posts: 2278
Joined: May 2002

(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2020,14:54   

Quote (CeilingCat @ April 25 2020,12:18)
Oh my God!  Kairosfocus has actually put up a Fox video showing a silver haired Pence clone supporting Trump's suggestion of internal use of UV light!

UV Light irradiation of blood does have a medical history dating from the 1920s. Nothing suggests it will work against the Covid-19 infections.

Lantos, P. M., Shapiro, E. D., Auwaerter, P. G., Baker, P. J., Halperin, J. J., McSweegan, E., & Wormser, G. P. (2015). Unorthodox alternative therapies marketed to treat Lyme disease. Clinical infectious diseases : an official publication of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, 60(12), 1776–1782.

Hamblin M. R. (2017). Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: "The Cure That Time Forgot"?. Advances in experimental medicine and biology, 996, 295–309.

Wu X, Hu X, Hamblin MR. Ultraviolet blood irradiation: Is it time to remember "the cure that time forgot"?. J Photochem Photobiol B. 2016;157: 89–96.

Similarly when Trump was asking about using heat, Dr. Deborah Birx mentioned fever was the body’s defense against virus infection. In addition to fever, saunas and steam rooms have been used for centuries to elevate body temperature. We should be ready to point out that centuries ago, mimicking the body's response to infection was used as a prophylactic.

Again, Trump had no freaking idea about this. But the stopped watch ...

--------------
"Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy."

L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

   
Henry J



Posts: 5535
Joined: Mar. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 25 2020,20:54   

Yeah, but a stopped watch can be rewound.

  
Lou FCD



Posts: 5427
Joined: Jan. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2020,09:30   

Quote (stevestory @ April 24 2020,14:43)
Quote
11
MatSpirit
April 24, 2020 at 12:14 pm
9 asauber April 24, 2020 at 7:06 am

“Ironically, establishment science has helplessly overseen the worst virus breakout ever known and the streets are strewn with dead bodies due to establishment scientists incompetence. ”

Lucky for all of us that we had ID_Science™ to step in and save the day!

Unfortunately, I missed actually seeing you guys saving the world. What exactly did you guys do besides whine and print massive quantities of gibberish? (I’m looking at you, KF and BA77. Barry, you’re going to have to start working on your quantity if you expect to score in this league. Don’t worry about what the words actually say, just make sure each post is at least a half megabyte long.)

By the way, does anybody remember Dembski and the Eric Pianka Affair? Pianka was accepting the Texas Academy of Science’s Distinguished Texas Scientist Award back in 2006. In his speech, he described some of the things that would happen to us if we overpopulated the world. Mainly plagues and diseases, although there was a little starvation thrown in.

This greatly distressed a guy named Forrest Mims and Mims confided in Dembski. On April 2, 2006, Dembski stated on this very blog that he had reported Pianka (the Distinguished Texas Scientist, remember) to Homeland Security.

And here we are just 14 years later, enveloped in plague and talking about the coming starvation. That’s ID_Science™ at its best.


[URL=https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/deaths-from-global-famine-caused-by-locking-down-woulds-economy-could-dwarf-deaths-caused-

by-virus/#comment-699681]linky[/URL]

I've been wondering about Wernicke's aphasia, re: them two IDiots, specifically. Not something I was familiar with until recently, but....

--------------
Lou FCD is still in school, so we should only count him as a baby biologist. -carlsonjok -deprecated
I think I might love you. Don't tell Deadman -Wolfhound

Work-friendly photography
NSFW photography

   
Acartia_Bogart



Posts: 2696
Joined: Sep. 2014

(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2020,15:32   

Quote
Barry: Jim Thibodeau (aka Kevin) is no longer with us. We try to give commenters latitude, but there is a limit to the amount of bigotry and hate we will allow be be spewed into our combox. Jim passed it some time ago.

Oh Kevin, what have you done?  By the way, who is Kevin?

  
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2020,16:17   

Barry bet Jim that the American Covid deaths would be “a fraction of the 61,000 flu deaths last year”. They just passed 56,527. Barry had to ban Jim.  :)  :p  :D

I don’t know which Kevin he’s talking about, but Jim Thibodeau is not anybody named Kevin.

Edited by stevestory on April 27 2020,17:26

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2020,16:22   

Jim and I did talk occasionally. Here is my Gmail inbox.

Jim is not named Kevin. Barry is a numbskull.

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2020,16:25   

Barry got mad because yesterday or today, I don’t remember which, Jim pointed out that the religious right didn’t start with abortion, they originally started by opposing desegregation. They just switched to abortion in the late 70s when they lost the ability to keep black people out of their schools and churches.

   
khan



Posts: 1554
Joined: May 2007

(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2020,18:04   

Quote (stevestory @ April 27 2020,17:25)
Barry got mad because yesterday or today, I don’t remember which, Jim pointed out that the religious right didn’t start with abortion, they originally started by opposing desegregation. They just switched to abortion in the late 70s when they lost the ability to keep black people out of their schools and churches.

Also, in the late 1970s, Jimmy Carter got elected. This intelligent and compassionate man believed that the "job" of the government was to take care of the people and the country. This scared the fuck out of the billionaires. They went a full court press...hostile takeovers of NRA and SBC.

Carter had all the virtues the fuckers pretended to care about opposed to St Ronnie the Senile.

--------------
"It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall

That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

Frequency is just the plural of wavelength...
-JoeG

  
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2020,09:07   

Quote
8
DaveS
April 28, 2020 at 7:52 am
KF,

[Warning: I’m from the USA, so I have no idea what’s going on beyond our shores. 😛 Therefore I’m only addressing your post as it relates to my country .]
Quote

We need to go back to understanding what empirical evidence is, how warrant can be built up, why no inductive case can achieve incorrigible certainty and more.

While I’m sure there are a lot of lessons to be learned here, do you think Anthony Fauci or Robert Redfield don’t understand what empirical evidence is? I really doubt these people are quite that ignorant.

They’re trying to manage a very complex problem to get the best outcome they can. Moreover, they have to consider the reputations of the institutions they lead and that every step they are taking now will be analyzed in the years to come. I don’t think they need a Phil 101 refresher course at this point.


lol

   
Acartia_Bogart



Posts: 2696
Joined: Sep. 2014

(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2020,14:33   

Quote
Ed George
April 28, 2020 at 1:26 pm
BA

Quote
Go ahead, go for the trifecta.


No. I prefer to see how you claim that you didn’t take that sentence out of context. This should be interesting. I have the popcorn ready and all afternoon to kill.

You might be better off admitting that you simply relied on ET’s quote mine, wrongfully assuming that it was complete and in context. At least then you can claim ignorance rather that willful misrepresentation. It might look good as a tag line on your business card when you are handing it out during your daily trips to the emergency room. “Ignorant, but not willfully so.”


Barry Arrogant at his best

  
Occam's Aftershave



Posts: 4846
Joined: Feb. 2006

(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2020,14:53   

deleted

--------------
"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2020,15:16   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 28 2020,15:33)
Quote
Ed George
April 28, 2020 at 1:26 pm
BA

 
Quote
Go ahead, go for the trifecta.


No. I prefer to see how you claim that you didn’t take that sentence out of context. This should be interesting. I have the popcorn ready and all afternoon to kill.

You might be better off admitting that you simply relied on ET’s quote mine, wrongfully assuming that it was complete and in context. At least then you can claim ignorance rather that willful misrepresentation. It might look good as a tag line on your business card when you are handing it out during your daily trips to the emergency room. “Ignorant, but not willfully so.”


Barry Arrogant at his best



Edited by stevestory on April 28 2020,16:23

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2020,17:45   

Quote
44
Orthomyxo
April 28, 2020 at 2:36 pm
It’s always possible to make a post hoc justification to save you favoured hypothesis. If the handful of doctors who have become famous from this think that have a protocol that works they should publish it. Others can then run the trials and we’ll see if it works.

45
ET
April 28, 2020 at 4:08 pm
Ortho- read the following: EVMS CRITICAL CARE COVID-19 MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL. It provides a list of OTC supplements to be used to fight this virus.

46
Orthomyxo
April 28, 2020 at 4:13 pm
OK… the article you linked to say there is no evidence that this works. So I’m not sure it’s going to be the answer to ending lockdowns.

47
ET
April 28, 2020 at 4:19 pm
Wow, the science says it will work. Quercetin is an ionophore. That plus the zinc will stop the virus from replicating. Vitamin D boosts the immune system.

48
Orthomyxo
April 28, 2020 at 4:24 pm
and disinfectant will kill the virus on a surface, Doesn’t make for a treatment though. I think we should probably wait until there is any evidence that taking these supplements protects from the virus before we declare it safe to reopen

49
ET
April 28, 2020 at 4:26 pm
The science says it. That is what has you confused- it’s science. And that is why the list exists- the science.

50
Orthomyxo
April 28, 2020 at 4:35 pm
I’m not sure I’ve ever read someone who understands less about how scientific evidence works. As I say, I don’t think this is likely to be the panacea that ends the pandemic.


linky

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2020,17:48   

Quote
9
Ed George
April 28, 2020 at 2:49 pm
BA
Quote

And with his comment at 4, Ed completes the trifecta (Darwinian Debating Device #1: Ad Hominem). My work here is done. Go ahead and rage if you like Ed. Barry out.

If your work is to willfully misrepresent what someone says, I agree, your work is done. You can proudly slink away with your tail tucked firmly between your legs.

But it would be nice to see a little honesty from you for a change. Maybe you could answer a simple question. Did you draft this OP from ET’s blatant and willfully deceitful quote mine, or did you decide to do this yourself? Inquiring minds want to know.

10
Orthomyxo
April 28, 2020 at 2:59 pm
Barry, we can all read Ed’s posts here as the original thread. I suppose you simply missed the context of the quote to start with, and let your adversarialism colour your interpretation.

But doubling down and pretending the quote stands alone just makes you look ridiculous. Not to mention scuttling away like a crab while saying “Barry out”!


is Barry up for some more Banning?

   
fnxtr



Posts: 3354
Joined: June 2006

(Permalink) Posted: April 28 2020,18:47   

Joe: "Science!"

Inigo Montoya: "Umm..."

--------------
"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Jkrebs



Posts: 545
Joined: Sep. 2004

(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2020,08:39   

Irony meter alert: Denyse writes, "Demonizing differing views is a characteristic of superstition, not science. It says a lot about “science” today that its practitioners choose such methods."

Do you hear that kf, ba, et, etc.? No more demonizing! Let's see it happen.

  
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2020,22:05   

Quote
61,668 deaths


Barry fails.

   
fnxtr



Posts: 3354
Joined: June 2006

(Permalink) Posted: April 29 2020,23:58   

Quote (stevestory @ April 29 2020,20:05)
Quote
61,668 deaths


Barry fails.

.. and that's with all the prophylactic measures in place.

Shudder to think.

--------------
"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
k.e..



Posts: 5373
Joined: May 2007

(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2020,09:00   

Quote (Jkrebs @ April 29 2020,16:39)
Irony meter alert: Denyse writes, "Demonizing differing views is a characteristic of superstition, not science. It says a lot about “science” today that its practitioners choose such methods."

Do you hear that kf, ba, et, etc.? No more demonizing! Let's see it happen.

um.... you missed her actual demonizing scientists schtick. Is there anything she can't get assbackwards?.........queue DAVETARD© TM IF I SHAVED MY DOG'S ASS AND HAD IT WALK BACKWARDS IT WOULD  DO BETTER THAN THAT MORPHODYKE.

--------------
"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
"I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

  
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2020,10:23   

Quote

260
PaV
March 22, 2020 at 10:30 am
This article says that according to the WHO and the CDC, up to 650,000 respiratory deaths occur world-wide each year due to the seasonal flu.

Total world-wide deaths for CoVid-19: 13,694. And there is only about a month or two left of the flu season. Likely, the death rate will begin falling within a week or two. Let’s estimate the total number of deaths given what we’ve seen in China, S.Korea and the U.S. I think a fair estimate would be double of the current deaths, which is 27,400 roughly. How does this compare to “up to 650,000 deaths” due to the seasonal flu?

Based on this statistic, I suspect that the numbers coming out of Italy, and possibly Spain, have conflated seasonal flu deaths with CoVid-19 deaths; i.e., their test protocols might be off. I suspect that in two months, they will correct their figures, once this all sorts itself out.

The world, each year, doesn’t bat an eye at 650,000 deaths, but goes into padnemonium over 27,000. Who thinks this makes sense?


PaV is a tard

   
Henry J



Posts: 5535
Joined: Mar. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2020,11:46   

Seasonal flu - isn't it, well, seasonal? Isn't there a vaccine for it that people worried about it can get? Isn't it somewhat less sneaky than this new thing?

  
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2020,12:23   

Dr Fauci and Big Pharma by PaV the tard.

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2020,17:33   

Quote
Intelligent Design
Dr. Fauci And Big Farma
Posted onApril 30, 2020 AuthorPaVComments(9)
Spread the love
Please indulge my well-earned cynicism. Let’s recap what’s been going on.

Dr. Raolt says that HCL is showing remarkable results with his CoVid patients. Dr. Raolt expands this study beyond his own clinic and patients. Dr. Fauci says that this is “anecdotal.”

A doctor in New York says that HCL, when given early on, is showing remarkable results: 80 to 90% of his patients are surviving (or, was it even higher?). Dr. Fauci says that this is “anecdotal.”

Then a study comes out that says that Remdisivir, produced by Gilead, has done a full clinical trial and that their drug lessens the time of illness from 14 days to 11 days but it only mildly improves the death rate. Dr. Fauci says: “This is significant.”

So a common drug that keeps people from dying is no more than some “anecdotal” musing. But a drug that shows mimimal improvement on death rates and recoveries is “significant.” Why such a reaction?

Well, the ‘common drug’ is dirt cheap and no big pharmeceutical company is going to make money on it. And pharmeceutical companies give money to the NIH and the CDC. I’ll let you come to a conclusion.

However, let’s be aware that big Farma is making huge money in the area of anti-viral drugs used as part of the ‘cocktail’ given HIV positive patients. Dr. Fauci has been in charge of this area for 35 years. Factor that into the conclusion you draw.

The WHO, who so ably handled themselves in this current outbreak (sarcasm alert), is responsible for introducing these highly expensive ‘anti-virals’ into Africa. It seems that whereever they found the HIV virus, these antivirals were introduced. And how did they know people had HIV? Because they tested them for antibodies to the virus. But, wait a second, when you have antibodies, that means that you’ve been exposed to the virus and fought it off, right? Isn’t this why we’re now so interested in testing people for antibodies?

So, just what kind of “science” lies at the bottom of all of this? And does the huge amount of government (and private–think Bill Gates, e.g.) money available affect, in any way, the “science” being employed.

I’d ask you to also factor these considerations into any conclusion you might reach.


Quote

Orthomyxo
April 30, 2020 at 4:22 pm
My god, you are a full-on HIV/AIDs denialist? I did not know such people still existed.

The “reply” to Duesberg is the last 30+ years of research on HIV, the success of antiretrovirals in treating the disease, and the have HIV infection is the only thing routinely associated with AIDS to this day.

Oh, and it hardly matters, but the PCR tests and antigen/antibody tests are different things. So a PCR tests is not going to discover HIV-encoded proteins in a patient’s blood.

The idea covid-19 deaths are over-reported is basically impossible to maintain in the face of excess mortality data:ny times


Edited by stevestory on April 30 2020,18:35

   
Acartia_Bogart



Posts: 2696
Joined: Sep. 2014

(Permalink) Posted: April 30 2020,20:34   

Quote (stevestory @ April 30 2020,12:23)
Dr Fauci and Big Pharma by PaV the tard.

It lost some credibility when he misspelled “Pharma” in the title.

  
Bob O'H



Posts: 2447
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2020,03:36   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ April 30 2020,20:34)
Quote (stevestory @ April 30 2020,12:23)
Dr Fauci and Big Pharma by PaV the tard.

It lost some credibility when he misspelled “Pharma” in the title.

Perhaps he thinks aspirin grows on trees.

--------------
It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: May 01 2020,04:52   

Quote
120
MatSpirit
April 30, 2020 at 11:19 pm
Barry: 60% of deaths come from just 5 states.
MatSpirit: Whoever says geography matters is an idiot.

60 % of the deaths come from 5 urban states with busy airports for bringing the virus in and getting it going. California is an even bigger state with huge international airports and they started serious, government mandated social distancing and shelter in place measures months before the East Coast, back when Trump was telling us all that Covid was nothing, that we were going to wake up soon and discover it had disappeared with the changing seasons.

Today we can look at the deaths and especially deaths per capita and no amount of geographical BSing is going change them. Social isolation is responsible for that vast difference in human deaths, not their geographical location.

And now, of course, the Stable Genius, the Republican Party and all the Trumpeters are trying their level best to end the lockdown while the virus is still within our society. The only “good” thing about all this is that given normal delays in implementation, we should be back where we were a couple of months ago all over the country just in time for the elections. Except the pandemic will be concentrated in Red states.

You are all IDiots.

121
lol

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2020,07:35   

KF is going to fly off the handle when he sees this.  :)



Chart from AEI: Friendly Atheist blog post

Edited by stevestory on May 02 2020,08:36

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2020,11:36   

Quote
63
Ed George
May 2, 2020 at 8:25 am
AaronS1978
Quote

A similar question can been asked of atheists. (Assuming you didn’t ask what I think you asked) Why do they even care that religious people have a belief in God.

I would say that the vast majority of them don’t. But I would extend this to say that many religious people expend a lot of energy trying to defend their region when nobody is asking them to. The thousand word rants of BA77 and KF are prime examples. As are the insult riddled comments of ET and TruthFreedom (who seems to have disappeared). Religious people also seem to care what people of other religions believe. Much of the uproar over Sharia law comes from people of other religions.
lol

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2020,11:37   

Quote
67
Ed George
May 2, 2020 at 9:25 am
AaronS1978, yes, I know a couple atheists like that. It is not enough that they simply don’t believe, they have to ridicule those who do. But their are those on the theist side (BA77 comes to mind) who, for whatever reason, can’t tolerate people who don’t believe.

We have a friend who is Christian. We have dinner with them at least once a month. Before dinner we hold hands and say grace. Even though I think it is a pointless gesture, I do it because it is important to them.

   
stevestory



Posts: 12595
Joined: Oct. 2005

(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2020,11:38   

Quote
71
Ed George
May 2, 2020 at 10:29 am
KF@70. Your response was only 787 words. You will have to pick up your pace to match BA77’s 1,561 word response. 🙂

   
  14151 replies since Dec. 29 2013,11:01 < Next Oldest | Next Newest >  

Pages: (472) < ... 464 465 466 467 468 [469] 470 471 472 >   


Track this topic Email this topic Print this topic

[ Read the Board Rules ] | [Useful Links] | [Evolving Designs]