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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,08:43   

Sal got an "A" in his introductory physics course [edit - survey of the foundations of 20th century physics]. Yay Sal! He also continues his comparison of Darwin vs Maxwell, and likes the word "dolt." In fact, Darwin is a "feeble brained dolt" compared to Maxwell and Riemann.

Keep that word "dolt" at hand as you read the following:
           
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We went through the major experiments which led to the development of modern physics.

I’m pleased to say, not one ounce of useless Darwinism was needed to comprehend the course material...

I was delighted that my first homework assignment was to show how the creationist Maxwell’s equations of electrodynamics leads to various concepts in special realtivity: Lorentz Covariance and the Creationist Maxwell’s Equations. Note that I did not need one ounce of Darwinism to make the derivation. That’s because Darwinism isn’t science.

Not only that, not one ounce of chemistry was needed to make that derivation. That's because chemistry isn't a science. Nor one ounce of geology, biology, paleontology, meteorology, ecology, astronomy, or cosmology. Those must not be sciences either. Nor information theory, metallurgy, minerology, psychology, cognitive science, sociology, political science, or anthropology...Jesus, Sal, you're a fucking genius.
       
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My experience in class only reinforces the fact that the claim that “Darwin’s theory is the central theory of science” is a falsehood promoted by Darwin’s followers. It has no basis in truth. I’d say Schrodinger’s and Maxwell’s equations are far more essential to the progress of science than any of Darwin’s unfounded speculations…

Who has ever claimed that "Darwin's theory is the central theory of science?" [reference to orifice deleted]
         
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I can accept old-earth ideas as a working hypothesis. However, if Einstien’s theory and Maxwell’s equations can be amended to allow temporal-spatial variations of the speed of light, then various YEC cosmologies can succeed without being inconsistent with present operational physics. I look forward to exploring the possibility of variable speed of light (VSL) and will blog on developments in VSL periodically…

You gotta stand back and take this in to really appreciate Sal's idiotic grandiosity. Sal is saying, "The only real science is physics. And now that I have taken an introductory college course [edit - survey of the foundations of 20th century physics] I just might overturn the entire edifice of physics, which I so revere. Watch this space."

What was that word again? Right.

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celdd



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,09:10   

To be fair, this is not an introductory course.  

from the John Hopkins website:  
 
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This course covers a broad spectrum of topics related to the development of quantum and relativity theories. The understanding of modern physics and its applications is essential to the pursuit of advanced work in materials, optics, and other applied sciences. Topics include the special theory of relativity, particle-like properties of light, wavelike properties of particles, wave mechanics, atomic and nuclear phenomena, elementary particles, statistical physics, solid state, astrophysics and general relativity

Prerequisites & Notes
Prerequisite: Undergraduate degree in physics or engineering.



Still, this course has nothing to do with biology or evolution.  That Sal implies that his physics course has any direct relevance to evolutionary theory is absurd.

  
Ftk



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,09:10   

YEA, SAL!!!!  Congrats on the "A"!!!!

Keep up the good work...

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,09:12   

A thing of beauty:

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"It is an awful and disgusting lie.  It speaks to the dangerous power of an ignorant person with a pen. I am incensed and infuriated to have to respond to such ludicrous misinterpretation." - Will Smith after being quotemined in the tabloids.


Should come in handy in this thread, I think.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,10:15   

Quote (celdd @ Dec. 25 2007,10:10)
To be fair, this is not an introductory course.  

from the John Hopkins website:  
   
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This course covers a broad spectrum of topics related to the development of quantum and relativity theories. The understanding of modern physics and its applications is essential to the pursuit of advanced work in materials, optics, and other applied sciences. Topics include the special theory of relativity, particle-like properties of light, wavelike properties of particles, wave mechanics, atomic and nuclear phenomena, elementary particles, statistical physics, solid state, astrophysics and general relativity

Prerequisites & Notes
Prerequisite: Undergraduate degree in physics or engineering.



Still, this course has nothing to do with biology or evolution.  That Sal implies that his physics course has any direct relevance to evolutionary theory is absurd.

You're right.  

"We studied introductory material pertaining to special relativity, general relativity, and quantum mechanics."

A distinction without a difference relative to Sal's argument.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,11:13   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 25 2007,09:43)
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I can accept old-earth ideas as a working hypothesis. However, if Einstien’s theory and Maxwell’s equations can be amended to allow temporal-spatial variations of the speed of light, then various YEC cosmologies can succeed without being inconsistent with present operational physics. I look forward to exploring the possibility of variable speed of light (VSL) and will blog on developments in VSL periodically…

You gotta stand back and take this in to really appreciate Sal's idiotic grandiosity. Sal is saying, "The only real science is physics. And now that I have taken an introductory college course I just might overturn the entire edifice of physics, which I so revere. Watch this space."

What was that word again? Right.

Well, at least he recognizes that Young Earth Creationism is incompatible with the past 100+ years of physics.

That he thinks the physics must therefore be wrong is just kind of sad.

   
Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,12:12   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Dec. 25 2007,09:12)
A thing of beauty:

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"It is an awful and disgusting lie.  It speaks to the dangerous power of an ignorant person with a pen. I am incensed and infuriated to have to respond to such ludicrous misinterpretation." - Will Smith after being quotemined in the tabloids.


Should come in handy in this thread, I think.

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Remarkably, Will believes everyone is basically good.

"Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do the most evil thing I can do today'," said Will. "I think he woke up in the morning and using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good'. Stuff like that just needs reprogramming.

"I wake up every day full of hope, positive that every day is going to be better than yesterday. And I'm looking to infect people with my positivity. I think I can start an epidemic."


You can clearly tell the man loves his Hitler.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,12:16   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 25 2007,09:43)
Sal said:

I was delighted that my first homework assignment was to show how the creationist Maxwell’s equations of electrodynamics leads to various concepts in special realtivity: Lorentz Covariance and the Creationist Maxwell’s Equations.

Maxwell's Equations led to Maxwell's Equations?

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Note that I did not need one ounce of Darwinism to make the derivation. That’s because Darwinism isn’t science.


I expect better logic from people who've just smoked weed.

Edited by stevestory on Dec. 25 2007,13:17

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,12:56   

Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 25 2007,09:10)
YEA, SAL!!!!  Congrats on the "A"!!!!

Keep up the good work...

Will he be overturning evilution or turning over burgers?

Stay Tuned!

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,13:49   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2007,12:16)
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Note that I did not need one ounce of Darwinism to make the derivation. That’s because Darwinism isn’t science.


I expect better logic from people who've just smoked weed.

You rang, m'lord?

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,13:58   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 25 2007,12:56)
 
Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 25 2007,09:10)
YEA, SAL!!!!  Congrats on the "A"!!!!

Keep up the good work...

Will he be overturning evilution or turning over burgers?

Stay Tuned!

Well, it is possible that the DI will want to sign Sal up for a cushy job bashing Darwinists once he has a degree. He certainly has a nose brown enough for that job application, if he wants it. He can be Luskin's apprentice.

Of course, it is also possible that the DI will have their funding decline to a trickle by the time Sal gets his degree. I can't imagine that the sponsors have been too happy with them lately. The DI fellows might have to get real jobs, give lectures at $10K per appearance, or sell books to keep the family fed. I don't think Sal has much talent in any of those areas, so it will be interesting to see where he ends up when the DI crashes. The stable of folks on the payroll seems pretty large, and pink slips might be on the way for some if the predicted Darwinist Waterloo doesn't happen pretty soon...

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To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,14:04   

Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 25 2007,14:49)
Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 25 2007,12:16)
 
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Note that I did not need one ounce of Darwinism to make the derivation. That’s because Darwinism isn’t science.


I expect better logic from people who've just smoked weed.

You rang, m'lord?

Lol.

Here you go.


   
Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,14:07   

I just finished a bag of Doritos, actually. I'll have to save those for a rainy day.

Merry Christmas.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2007,14:57   

Quote (Annyday @ Dec. 25 2007,15:07)
I just finished a bag of Doritos, actually.


   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,18:53   

Madeline Murry O'Hair deserved to be murdered, says Sal:

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These bad apples have caused the general public to form a stereotype in their mind that atheists are mean-spiritied amoral people like Madeline Murry O’Hair. O’Hair regularly courted criminals as her cronies and was punished by God through cruel death.


http://www.youngcosmos.com/blog/archives/151

(Linked from Pharyngula)

Edit: Madalyn Murray O'Hair, not Madeline Murry O'Hair. Should have known better than to trust Sal's English, long known to be poor.

Edited by stevestory on Dec. 26 2007,21:11

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,20:28   

Dembski and Behe have many followers, but I've only ever seen FtK commend Salvador. Can you guys think of anyone else who's consistently defended him? I can't think of any other supporters he has.

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,20:38   

Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 26 2007,20:28)
Dembski and Behe have many followers, but I've only ever seen FtK commend Salvador. Can you guys think of anyone else who's consistently defended him? I can't think of any other supporters he has.

It's okay, because he does it for Jesus. Plus, he lets a housewife contribute to his physics proving-god website.

They've clearly given up at the pretense of science now.

Edit? Yes!

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Chayanov



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,21:28   

Apparently the "A" Sal got in physics means he's a rectum.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,21:36   

Quote (Chayanov @ Dec. 26 2007,22:28)
Apparently the "A" Sal got in physics means he's a rectum.

Thank you.

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- David Foster Wallace

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2007,22:39   

Another of Salvador's pustules has erupted:
       
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There is much trouble in the world. For example, I mentioned this horrible crime committed against my family: Memorial to murder and rape victim, Connie Reyes. Why would such things happen? Why did Sean Taylor have to die? Or why would Darwin have to have deformed children after he inbred with his cousin?

The birth of Darwin’s deformed child caused him to have much resentment toward the idea of special creation. But the irony is that in the Darwinian world, deformed kids are only part of the evolutionary process of random mutation...That’s the cruel irony of Darwin’s theory.

As the father of a daughter (now adult) born with a physical handicap, I'm here to say that it is the rectal prolapse that is Salvador Cordova's cerebral cortex that is "deformed."

But I'll also reproduce the following, which I wrote to a close friend following the birth of my daughter 21 years ago. To protect her privacy, and to honor Darwin's suffering, I'll change her name in what follows to "Mary Eleanor":

"I have always felt, deep in me, that there is no a-priori meaning for events like Mary Eleanor's prenatal injury. This event has required of me deep grieving and new loving, though has not altered, or even challenged, my universe-view, Einstein not withstanding. When friends gather around and say things like "everything happens for a reason, so God must have something in mind" I accept the consolation intended, though feel clearly, intuitively, unequivocally that this is comforting human fantasy. It is denial, in the same way that "grandpa is in heaven now and we'll be with him one day" denies the frightful mystery of life and death. If one really wishes to live intimately with the reality of human existence, than one must relinquish this kind of fantasy and accept the essentially random byplay that is a partner in all reality. Randomness is real. Mary Eleanor is wonderful. Grandpa isn't in a heaven. I am not bitter."

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,08:15   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 26 2007,22:39)
Another of Salvador's pustules has erupted:

I actually had convinced myself that Sal had hit bottom with his previous posts. Clearly I was wrong.

Stay tuned, indeed. How low can he go?

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Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,09:57   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 27 2007,08:15)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 26 2007,22:39)
Another of Salvador's pustules has erupted:

I actually had convinced myself that Sal had hit bottom with his previous posts. Clearly I was wrong.

Stay tuned, indeed. How low can he go?

Hey, FtK, come on, stick up for Sal!

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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,10:10   

Quote (Ftk @ Dec. 25 2007,09:10)
YEA, SAL!!!!  Congrats on the "A"!!!!

Keep up the good work...

Do I notice a bit of sarcasme in that? Or is it just my mind playing tricks on me?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,10:32   

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There was a time when, not having taken part in long arguments at ARN and other forums, I did not understand why so many of my friends in the anti-creationist community held Sal Cordova in such low esteem.


http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....cor.php

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,11:37   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 26 2007,20:39)
But I'll also reproduce the following, which I wrote to a close friend following the birth of my daughter 21 years ago. To protect her privacy, and to honor Darwin's suffering, I'll change her name in what follows to "Mary Eleanor":

"I have always felt, deep in me, that there is no a-priori meaning for events like Mary Eleanor's prenatal injury. This event has required of me deep grieving and new loving, though has not altered, or even challenged, my universe-view, Einstein not withstanding. When friends gather around and say things like "everything happens for a reason, so God must have something in mind" I accept the consolation intended, though feel clearly, intuitively, unequivocally that this is comforting human fantasy. It is denial, in the same way that "grandpa is in heaven now and we'll be with him one day" denies the frightful mystery of life and death. If one really wishes to live intimately with the reality of human existence, than one must relinquish this kind of fantasy and accept the essentially random byplay that is a partner in all reality. Randomness is real. Mary Eleanor is wonderful. Grandpa isn't in a heaven. I am not bitter."

A reminder that there are reasons, beyond throwing pies at creationists, for coming to this board.  Thanks, Bill.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,11:51   

Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 27 2007,11:37)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 26 2007,20:39)
But I'll also reproduce the following, which I wrote to a close friend following the birth of my daughter 21 years ago. To protect her privacy, and to honor Darwin's suffering, I'll change her name in what follows to "Mary Eleanor":

"I have always felt, deep in me, that there is no a-priori meaning for events like Mary Eleanor's prenatal injury. This event has required of me deep grieving and new loving, though has not altered, or even challenged, my universe-view, Einstein not withstanding. When friends gather around and say things like "everything happens for a reason, so God must have something in mind" I accept the consolation intended, though feel clearly, intuitively, unequivocally that this is comforting human fantasy. It is denial, in the same way that "grandpa is in heaven now and we'll be with him one day" denies the frightful mystery of life and death. If one really wishes to live intimately with the reality of human existence, than one must relinquish this kind of fantasy and accept the essentially random byplay that is a partner in all reality. Randomness is real. Mary Eleanor is wonderful. Grandpa isn't in a heaven. I am not bitter."

A reminder that there are reasons, beyond throwing pies at creationists, for coming to this board.  Thanks, Bill.

Bill is a gift to the world*. You should write more, Bill.

We'd like you to write more, Bill.


*All Gifts have givers QED Design.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,14:29   

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We'd like you to write more, Bill.

Ramen.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,15:24   

Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 27 2007,15:29)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 27 2007,11:51)
We'd like you to write more, Bill.

Ramen.

Well, thank you fellers.

Let me just say that my noodles are made from enriched wheat flour (wheat flour, niacin, male enhanced iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, lysergic acid), vegetable toil (contains one or more of the following: crayola, cottonseed, palm) preserved by TBHW, silt, spitassium carbonate, soy sauce (water, wheat, soybeans, silt) sodium phosphate, sodium carbonate, turmeric. Soup base from spit, monosodium glutamate, hydrolyzed corn, wheat and sly protein, dehydrated vegetables (onion, garlic, jive), sugar, licktaste, spices, powdered choked chicken, cabbage insert, turmeric, disodium insinuate, and disodium guano.

(Did I mention salt? Sheesh.)

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,15:29   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Dec. 27 2007,15:24)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Dec. 27 2007,15:29)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 27 2007,11:51)
We'd like you to write more, Bill.

Ramen.

Well, thank you fellers.

Let me just say that my noodles are made from enriched wheat flour (wheat flour, niacin, male enhanced iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, lysergic acid), vegetable toil (contains one or more of the following: crayola, cottonseed, palm) preserved by TBHW, silt, spitassium carbonate, soy sauce (water, wheat, soybeans, silt) sodium phosphate, sodium carbonate, turmeric. Soup base from spit, monosodium glutamate, hydrolyzed corn, wheat and sly protein, dehydrated vegetables (onion, garlic, jive), sugar, licktaste, spices, powdered choked chicken, cabbage insert, turmeric, disodium insinuate, and disodium guano.

(Did I mention salt? Sheesh.)

Licktaste?  Licktaste?  Well, sheeeeiiittt!  I take back my laudatory comment!

Edit:  for legit grammatical reason (yeah, right!)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2007,16:41   

Sal appears to be a very sick man indeed.  His whole reason for being such an IDiot creationist seems to be motivated by a need to prove the bible is true and can be relied upon.  

What hell it must be to be a grown man who is so afraid of facing life standing on his own two feet that he needs magic to face it, and then spends his life trying to prove the magic is real to himself and others.

This is the hell hole of faith.  Every believer doubts at some level, this is why they hate those of us who doubt out loud.

Sal is a vile man.

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