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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2020,12:56    Quote 8 Kairosfocus January 24, 2020 at 11:57 am U/D: HT Breitbart news, Mr Trump’s speech at the 2020 MfL. A first for a sitting US President. KF linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2020,14:01    Quote 50 Ed George January 24, 2020 at 1:25 pm BA77 Quote And this follows logically from first principles in that, as Karsten Pultz recently pointed out, the Idea for a created entity must necessarily precede the created entity. Ignoring the fact that nobody has demonstrated that we are created beings, this means that the “soul” must exist before conception. Fair enough. Does this mean that if I were to clone myself, something that is well within modern capabilities, that my clone would lack a “soul”? linky

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2020,14:17    What would that say about identical twins?

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2020,16:08    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 24 2020,13:15) Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 24 2020,08:42) Oh Joy. Another thread about abortion. How can evolutionary biologists ever hope to keep up with all the science going on over there? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2020,21:57    They can't, so most of them don't even try.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2020,04:30    Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 24 2020,19:57) They can't, so most of them don't even try.  :p These jerkoffs are about 1/3 of the American electorate. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2020,08:01    If I still had a sock over there, on the next abortion thread I’d post this.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2020,11:07    Quote 73 Silver Asiatic January 25, 2020 at 10:41 am Two souls can share the same physical space. That must be like, Grad-level intelligent design.   linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2020,12:04    Quote 7 Ed George January 25, 2020 at 11:57 am SA Quote Two souls can share the same physical space. With respect, this sounds more like special pleading than a reasonable explanation. Much like BA77’s use of quantum mechanics to explain everything. This would mean that God knows in advance that conception will result in identical twins. Obviously not impossible. But we also know that IVF results in a higher percentage of monozygotic twins. Did God know that this would happen. Or what about the not impossible possibility that I decide to clone myself? Does that mean that I currently have two “souls”. And what if I decide to make 1000 clones of myself (again, not impossible)? Does that mean that I currently have 1001 “souls”? It seems to me that the most parsimonious explanation is that the “soul”, as most people think of it, doesn’t exist and that our consciousness (the closest we come to a “soul”) is the outcome of brain development and is gone when we die. linky

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2020,13:02    Quote Ed George January 25, 2020 at 12:54 pm SA Quote The denial of the soul is a denial of human nature, and that’s the materialist explanation. No, it is to deny a God. We would still have a human nature just as my cat has a cat nature and marble has a marble nature. Quote It’s because humans have an immortal soul that we want to show respect for human life, even for infants before they are born. I don’t show respect to other humans because of an immortal “soul”. I show respect because I would like to have respect shown to me. That’s not going to happen if I am always acting like ET. 🙂

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2020,13:13    Quote 7 Rado January 26, 2020 at 1:04 pm “ET: Observations of nature are of little use without a mind to understand them.” And since mind is the source of everything created it understands every aspect of its own creations, just like he who creates a computer understands every aspect of it. God is the mind that creates everything, and the reason we can understand God’s creations is because our mind is “the God within us”. As Christ said: “For indeed, the kingdom of God [and therefore also God] is within you.” link to all Teh Science!!!1

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2020,18:37    Quote Darwinism Genomics Intelligent Design Another Darwin-kicker?: Diversity-Generating Retroelements (DGR) A reader writes: They have a mechanism by which they can mutate a specific part of the DNA, in a pattern and rate that’s different from random mutation. Posted onJanuary 26, 2020 AuthorNews Comment(0) That’s weird. I thought Darwinism died four, five years ago.  Why are the world’s best biology theorists/disgraced toaster repairmen still wasting time on that ol thing?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2020,19:16    Quote Asauber January 26, 2020 at 3:32 pm I want to thank KF for posting this. In a world at large that has embraced a Culture of Death, it’s nice to find an oasis of Life affirming sanity online here at UD. So, thank you very very much, kairosfocus. This made me spit out my beer from laughing.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2020,00:47    Quote de·lu·sion noun an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder. Batshit 77 thinks everybody else suffers from this. Link

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2020,12:15    Does he suffer from it too, or does he enjoy it?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2020,17:45    Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 27 2020,12:15) Does he suffer from it too, or does he enjoy it? I think he revels in it. But that might just be a delusion of mine 😀

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2020,11:33    Joke has developed a real hard-on for TruthFreedom.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2020,23:05    Batshitcrazy77 Quote If you are going to resort to basically insulting me instead of ever engaging any of the substance of my arguments, I will seek to have you banned from UD. Translation: if you disagree with me I will run to daddy and he will punish you.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2020,08:21    But did his "arguments" actually have any substance to engage with?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2020,09:37    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 28 2020,23:05) Batshitcrazy77 Quote If you are going to resort to basically insulting me instead of ever engaging any of the substance of my arguments, I will seek to have you banned from UD. Translation: if you disagree with me I will run to daddy and he will punish you. And another follow-on threat. Quote As to Ed George’s claim that he has never been banned from UD before. I don’t care whether he has been banned or not. I will seek to have him removed if he continues his trollish behavior towards me and/or towards others. Period! You can rest assured on that,

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2020,08:14    At 9:12 AM I saw the dumbest thing I’ll read this entire day: Quote 8 Bornagain77 January 30, 2020 at 6:24 am In quantum mechanics, free will is confirmed to be true for an astonishing “96% of the space-time volume of the past light cone” check this shit out.  :p  :p  :p

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2020,09:12    So past light cones have free will? What about people?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2020,09:35    BA is like one of those AIs that’s been trained to produce roughly correct-sounding sentences, except all they trained it on was a pop sci quantum mechanics book and the Bible.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2020,09:44    Whooosh (my response was to TF asking "WHAT is this free-will everyone keeps talking about?") Quote 19 Truthfreedom January 30, 2020 at 9:34 am Bob O’H    – If you don’t know, ask a probate lawyer. Do probate lawyers have “free-will”, Bob? Do you know it? -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2020,10:15    Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 30 2020,10:44) Whooosh (my response was to TF asking "WHAT is this free-will everyone keeps talking about?") Quote 19 Truthfreedom January 30, 2020 at 9:34 am Bob O’H    – If you don’t know, ask a probate lawyer. Do probate lawyers have “free-will”, Bob? Do you know it? I mean anybody giving themselves the moniker TruthFreedom is going tobe a little high-strung? Maybe probate lawyers are in the 4% of the light cone without free will.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2020,12:31    Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 30 2020,07:35) BA is like one of those AIs that’s been trained to produce roughly correct-sounding sentences, except all they trained it on was a pop sci quantum mechanics book and the Bible. :p  :)  :D Someone should alert Janelle Shane at aiweirdness.com -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2020,20:18    Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 30 2020,09:44) Whooosh (my response was to TF asking "WHAT is this free-will everyone keeps talking about?") Quote 19 Truthfreedom January 30, 2020 at 9:34 am Bob O’H    – If you don’t know, ask a probate lawyer. Do probate lawyers have “free-will”, Bob? Do you know it? TF apparently views himself as the creationist Jerry Seinfeld. "Hello...Darwin."

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2020,03:49    I'm worried about Denyse. There's a news story that I was sure she'd be all over at UD, but so far crickets. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2020,04:33    Axel explaining that it's not racism, he has reasons for his beliefs: It's the climate.  Except for those eskimos.     Quote There is a saying : ‘See Africa, and die’, meaning it’s alredy close to paradise. I suspect that it was always a land of ‘low-hanging fruit’, leading to a ‘Come day, go day, roll on Sunday’ attitude. At some point, the strongest tribes drove out the weaker ones, who, moving north would have had to show ever greater ingenuity in order to survive in the increasingly cold and barren climes of – northern Europe, in particular. Of course, with the Inuit, the conditions would have been just too harsh to promote ingenuity. Link

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2020,10:49    Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 01 2020,02:33) Axel explaining that it's not racism, he has reasons for his beliefs: It's the climate.  Except for those eskimos.     Quote There is a saying : ‘See Africa, and die’, meaning it’s alredy close to paradise. I suspect that it was always a land of ‘low-hanging fruit’, leading to a ‘Come day, go day, roll on Sunday’ attitude. At some point, the strongest tribes drove out the weaker ones, who, moving north would have had to show ever greater ingenuity in order to survive in the increasingly cold and barren climes of – northern Europe, in particular. Of course, with the Inuit, the conditions would have been just too harsh to promote ingenuity. Link "Scientific racism" is the most pernicious. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

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