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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2019,16:16   

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ScuzzaManDecember 4, 2019 at 4:12 pm
“the galaxies really are flying apart”

What’s Sheldon’s estimated age of the universe?
For what fraction of this age have we been observing the red shift that (merely) implies expansion?
In what other branch of intellectual inquiry would Sheldon accept such a statistical nonsense as to extrapolate from such a minuscule sample to such a monstrous result?


Christ on a cracker

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2019,17:43   

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ScuzzaManDecember 4, 2019 at 4:12 pm
“the galaxies really are flying apart”

What’s Sheldon’s estimated age of the universe?
For what fraction of this age have we been observing the red shift that (merely) implies expansion?
In what other branch of intellectual inquiry would Sheldon accept such a statistical nonsense as to extrapolate from such a minuscule sample to such a monstrous result?


Christ on a cracker

What's next, "red shift decay"?
Police officer: You were speedng.
Me: how do you know? You only measured me for a minute!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2019,23:09   

:O

I looked at the Creatocrap link to UD and saw this; "A world-famous chemist tells the truth: ..." and I had a premonition it was creationist James Tour.

It was!

And, they also dragged in old earth creationists Hugh Ross, and Fazale Rana.

So my reply to Ross&Rana was years ago;
https://ncse.ngo/review-....ns-life

My recent comments on creato chemist James Tour are here:
https://youtu.be/wfSE8J_....8J_bj1Q

Edited by Dr.GH on Dec. 04 2019,21:18

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2019,02:49   

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ScuzzaManDecember 4, 2019 at 4:12 pm
“the galaxies really are flying apart”

What’s Sheldon’s estimated age of the universe?
For what fraction of this age have we been observing the red shift that (merely) implies expansion?
In what other branch of intellectual inquiry would Sheldon accept such a statistical nonsense as to extrapolate from such a minuscule sample to such a monstrous result?


Christ on a cracker

Hmm, that gives me an idea...

What are theologians’ estimated age of God?
For what fraction of this age have they been observing the existence of God that (merely) implies He is eternal?

In what other branch of intellectual inquiry would theologians accept such a statistical nonsense as to extrapolate from such a minuscule sample to such a monstrous result?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2019,08:28   

Looks like the IDiots have picked up on Dembski's latest brain fart.  Now all the regular morons are agreeing miracles are evidence of the Christian God.  

So much science over there.   :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2019,16:39   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 05 2019,08:28)
Looks like the IDiots have picked up on Dembski's latest brain fart.  Now all the regular morons are agreeing miracles are evidence of the Christian God.  

So much science over there.   :p

At least they’re being a bit more honest now about it being all about Jesus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2019,19:32   

Thursday quiz. What ID moron said this?
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At night, there is still CO2 but it still gets cold very quickly....

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2019,19:44   

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Thursday quiz. What ID moron said this?
 
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At night, there is still CO2 but it still gets cold very quickly....

The same brainless clown who believes in homeopathy and YEC baraminology, thinks ghosts are real, and says the Bible proves the existence of space aliens?

Just a guess.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 05 2019,20:19   

But, with less CO2, it would get cold quicker, and have a lower equilibrium temperature. But conversely, just the opposite.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2019,05:44   

On the miracles post, GCS tries to lead me into temptation
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Do you want to experience a miracle in your life? Just honestly ask God to help you grow in humility. You will soon have the opportunity to practice humility.

But I resist. Truly a miracle.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2019,08:19   

Or you could pray for patience - and I mean now!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2019,08:54   

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Bornagain77
December 6, 2019 at 7:08 am
Bob O’Hara is Professor in the Department of Mathematical Sciences at Norwegian University of Science and Technology.

He jokes that,

“My career has been dedicated to discovering whether I am a biologist or a statistician – I intend to retire once I come to a definite answer.”
https://www.ntnu.edu/employe....b.ohara

Thus, obviously Bob should have a fairly descent idea about what the mathematics behind Darwinian evolution actually entail.

And in post 171 (Professor) Bob O’Hara’s claims that,

“Fisher showed that the response to (directional) selection is determined by the additive genetic variance.”

Yet, besides the fact that, (as was shown in post 174), “When the realistic rate of detrimental mutations are taken into account, then it mathematically falsifies “Fisher’s belief that he had developed a mathematical proof that fitness must always increase”, besides that little inconvenient ‘correction’ to Fisher’s theorem that falsifies it, it is also now empirically shown, via Lenski’s “Long Term Evolution Experiment” (LTEE), that Fisher’s belief that beneficial mutations will be “additive” was also another false presupposition on Fisher’s part (and thus, is also currently a false presupposition on Bob’s part).

Specifically, “antagonistic epistasis” between beneficial mutations shows that beneficial mutations are not “additive”. As the following study found, “the benefit linked to the simultaneous presence of five mutations was less than the sum of the individual benefits conferred by each mutation individually.”

Mutations : when benefits level off – June 2011 – (Lenski’s e-coli after 50,000 generations)
Excerpt: After having identified the first five beneficial mutations combined successively and spontaneously in the bacterial population, the scientists generated, from the ancestral bacterial strain, 32 mutant strains exhibiting all of the possible combinations of each of these five mutations. They then noted that the benefit linked to the simultaneous presence of five mutations was less than the sum of the individual benefits conferred by each mutation individually.
https://phys.org/news.......ts.html

As Casey Luskin explained, The title of a summary piece in Science tells the whole story: “In Evolution, the Sum Is Less than Its Parts.”

New Research on Epistatic Interactions Shows “Overwhelmingly Negative” Fitness Costs and Limits to Evolution – Casey Luskin June 8, 2011
Excerpt: The title of a summary piece in Science tells the whole story: “In Evolution, the Sum Is Less than Its Parts.” It notes that these studies encountered “antagonistic epistasis,” where negative effects arise from epistatic interactions:
“Both studies found a predominance of antagonistic epistasis, which impeded the rate of ongoing adaptation relative to a null model of independent mutational effects.”
In essence, these studies found that there is a fitness cost to becoming more fit. As mutations increase, bacteria faced barriers to the amount they could continue to evolve. If this kind of evidence doesn’t run counter to claims that neo-Darwinian evolution can evolve fundamentally new types of organisms and produce the astonishing diversity we observe in life, what does?
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2.....4....51.html

That these findings falsify Darwinian expectations that beneficial mutations should be additive, these findings also reveal that Darwinists don’t even have a coherent explanation why “antagonistic epistasis” between beneficial mutations should even exist.

On the other hand, Intelligent Design advocates readily understand why “antagonistic epistasis” between beneficial mutations are as they are.

As was mentioned previously in this thread, instead of the genome being dominated by ‘genes for’ something, as is presupposed in Darwinian thought,

Gene previously linked to obesity is unrelated – June 29, 2015
Excerpt: … in the real world of careful analysis, scientists are just not finding the “genes” that the headline writers need. British geneticist Steve Jones points out that most human traits are influenced by so many genes that there is no likely systematic cause and effect:
“We know of more than 50 different genes associated with height … That has not percolated into the public mind, as the Google search for “scientists find the gene for” shows. The three letter word for — the gene FOR something — is the most dangerous word in genetics.”
And the craze is not harmless, he warns. …
http://www.uncommondescent.com.....unrelated/....rel....related

,,, instead of the genome being dominated by ‘genes for’ something, as is presupposed in Darwinian thought, the ‘genes’ in a genome are instead now found to be existing in a holistic web of mutual interdependence and cooperation, wherein, “such traits are the work of thousands of genetic variants, working in concert.”

What If (Almost) Every Gene Affects (Almost) Everything? – JUN 16, 2017
Excerpt: If you told a modern geneticist that a complex trait—whether a physical characteristic like height or weight, or the risk of a disease like cancer or schizophrenia—was the work of just 15 genes, they’d probably laugh. It’s now thought that such traits are the work of thousands of genetic variants, working in concert. The vast majority of them have only tiny effects, but together, they can dramatically shape our bodies and our health. They’re weak individually, but powerful en masse.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science....ce....2

This ‘holistic web of mutual interdependence and cooperation’ places severe constraints on Darwinian evolution.

As Dr. Sanford explained in his book “Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome”, if we were to actually get a proper “beneficial mutation’ in a polyfunctional genome of say 500 mutually interdependent genes, then instead of the infamous “Methinks it is like a weasel” single element of functional information that Darwinists pretend they are facing in any evolutionary search, we would instead be encountering something much more akin to this illustration found on page 141 of the book ‘Genetic Entropy’ by Dr. Sanford.

S A T O R
A R E P O
T E N E T
O P E R A
R O T A S

That five-word palindrome translates as,

THE SOWER NAMED AREPO HOLDS THE WORKING OF THE WHEELS.

This ancient palindrome, which dates back to at least 79 AD, reads the same four different ways, Thus, if we change (mutate) any letter we may get a new (beneficial) meaning for a single reading read any one way, but we will consistently destroy the other 3 readings of the message with the new mutation (save for the center letter). Moreover, mutating any subsequent letter in the palindrome will obviously induce “antagonistic epistasis” towards the first mutated letter, wherein any benefit that the first mutated letter may have conferred will be compromised by any subsequent change, with the benefit being compromised even further as even more letters are changed in the palindrome.

As John Sanford and company explained in the following paper, “As the number of overlapping codes increases, the rate of potential beneficial mutation decreases exponentially, quickly approaching zero.”

Multiple Overlapping Genetic Codes Profoundly Reduce the Probability of Beneficial Mutation George Montañez 1, Robert J. Marks II 2, Jorge Fernandez 3 and John C. Sanford 4 – May 2013
Conclusions: Our analysis confirms mathematically what would seem intuitively obvious – multiple overlapping codes within the genome must radically change our expectations regarding the rate of beneficial mutations. As the number of overlapping codes increases, the rate of potential beneficial mutation decreases exponentially, quickly approaching zero. Therefore the new evidence for ubiquitous overlapping codes in higher genomes strongly indicates that beneficial mutations should be extremely rare. This evidence combined with increasing evidence that biological systems are highly optimized, and evidence that only relatively high-impact beneficial mutations can be effectively amplified by natural selection, lead us to conclude that mutations which are both selectable and unambiguously beneficial must be vanishingly rare. This conclusion raises serious questions. How might such vanishingly rare beneficial mutations ever be sufficient for genome building? How might genetic degeneration ever be averted, given the continuous accumulation of low impact deleterious mutations?
http://www.worldscientific.com.....08728_0006/....28_....28_0006

And the genome is indeed found to be severely poly-functional

38. Sanford J (2008) Genetic Entropy and the Mystery of the Genome. FMS Publications, NY. Pages 131–142.
39. Trifonov EN (1989) Multiple codes of nucleotide sequences. Bull of Mathematical Biology 51:417–432.
40. Trifanov EN (1997) Genetic sequences as products of compression by inclusive superposition of many codes. Mol Biol 31:647–654.
41. Kapranov P, et al (2005) Examples of complex architecture of the human transcriptome revealed by RACE and high density tiling arrays. Genome Res 15:987–997.
42. Birney E, et al (2007) Encode Project Consortium: Identification and analysis of functional elements in 1% of the human genome by the ENCODE pilot project. Nature 447:799–816.
43. Itzkovitz S, Hodis E, Sega E (2010) Overlapping codes within protein-coding sequences. Genome Res. 20:1582–1589.

For one particularly crystal clear example of the staggering level of poly-functionality now being found in genomes, “there is one human gene that codes for 576 different proteins, and there is one fruit fly gene that codes for 38,016 different proteins!”

Time to Redefine the Concept of a Gene? – Sept. 10, 2012
Excerpt: As detailed in my second post on alternative splicing, there is one human gene that codes for 576 different proteins, and there is one fruit fly gene that codes for 38,016 different proteins!
While the fact that a single gene can code for so many proteins is truly astounding, we didn’t really know how prevalent alternative splicing is. Are there only a few genes that participate in it, or do most genes engage in it? The ENCODE data presented in reference 2 indicates that at least 75% of all genes participate in alternative splicing. They also indicate that the number of different proteins each gene makes varies significantly, with most genes producing somewhere between 2 and 25.
http://networkedblogs.com/BYdo8......8....o8

Thus in conclusion, “antagonistic epistasis” between beneficial mutations falsifies Fisher’s belief that beneficial mutations should be additive, and also reveals that Darwinists, (with their reductive materialistic framework), don’t even have a coherent explanation why “antagonistic epistasis” between beneficial mutations should even exist,

Whereas on the other hand, Intelligent Design advocates readily do understand why “antagonistic epistasis” between beneficial mutations are as they are. Moreover, the staggering levels of overlapping poly-functional complexity now being found in genomes, renders the Darwinian belief in ‘additive beneficial mutations’ to be a patently absurd belief. And, on the other hand, renders the belief that the genome was Intelligently Designed to be glaringly obvious.

If Bob O’Hara has an ounce of integrity in his responsibility as a professor, he should take all this falsifying evidence into account and adjust his teaching accordingly. Simply put, Darwinian evolution is empirically and mathematically shown to be false and Bob should, as a responsible educator, accept what the science is actually saying no matter how he may personally feel about it.

Psalm 26:11
But as for me, I will walk in mine integrity. Redeem me, and be gracious unto me.

O come, O come, Emmanuel – (Piano/Cello) – The Piano Guys
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Bob O'H
December 6, 2019 at 8:43 am
ba77 – additive genetic variance is not an easy concept to understand: it doesn’t mean (for example) that mutations have to be additive. Epistasis will also include an additive component: the additive effect of an allele is the average effect of changing that allele (i.e. averaged over the different genetic backgrounds it could appear in).

As you might guess, I don’t feel inclined to change my views if I’m being lectured by someone who clearly doesn’t understand the topic.
Lol edited this to fix this link, but look at this shit.
Code Sample
https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/question-for-readers-in-a-world-where-horizontal-gene-transfer-is-an-important-force-what-

becomes-of-dawkinss-selfish-gene


Who wrote that link? An eighth-grader who still has to sound out words?

Edited by stevestory on Dec. 06 2019,10:12

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2019,09:42   

The link is automatically generated from the title of the post. One can have fun with this: name the post something like "ba77 and the Dunning-Kruger effect", save it (or even publish it) and immediately change the title to "ba77 is a Genius". Someone will usually notice.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2019,09:54   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 06 2019,10:42)
The link is automatically generated from the title of the post. One can have fun with this: name the post something like "ba77 and the Dunning-Kruger effect", save it (or even publish it) and immediately change the title to "ba77 is a Genius". Someone will usually notice.

Anybody who types “as Casey Luskin explained...” is disqualified.  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2019,10:07   

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Asauber
December 6, 2019 at 9:08 am
If climate scientists know what they are doing, why 17 climate models and not just 1 or 2?

Andrew

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Bob O'H
December 6, 2019 at 9:37 am
Because climate scientists have learned much more about the climate and how it works. And computational power has also increased, so they are able to look at more complex phenomena, and at a finer scale.

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Asauber
December 6, 2019 at 9:39 am
Bob O’H,

What have they learned?

Andrew

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Bob O'H
December 6, 2019 at 9:43 am
You should ask a climate scientist that.

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Asauber
December 6, 2019 at 9:46 am
“You should ask a climate scientist that.”

Bob O’H

So you claim climate scientists “have learned much more about the climate” but can’t tell me what it was that they learned?

Then how do you know they really learned anything? Little birdie whispered in your ear?

Andrew


If physicists knew what they’re doing, why do they have 2 different models of gravity???

Lol

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2019,11:30   

Is Algorithmic Specified Complexity Useless for Analyzing Evolution?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2019,11:00   

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Is Algorithmic Specified Complexity Useless for Analyzing Evolution?

Obviously, yes, because ASC doesn't have SI units.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,08:51   

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What difference did Protestantism make to modern science?

In reality, it is mixed. For example, consider eugenics. The Catholic Church always opposed that dreadful scourge of people armed with strong opinions passing laws compelling some of their neighbors to be sterilized. When they did so, these eugenicists were acting explicitly as the priests of science. That was their idea of a vocation and Protestant churches largely supported it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,10:27   

I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,10:51   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 08 2019,10:27)
I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D

I’m jealous. Usually he accuses people of being me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,10:55   

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I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D

I’m jealous. Usually he accuses people of being me.

Whoever RP is I tip my cap to them.  They've got Joke so spun up he doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.   :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,12:40   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2019,10:51)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 08 2019,10:27)
I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D

I’m jealous. Usually he accuses people of being me.

He’s getting worse.  He’s trying to accuse me of being Ogre lately.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,12:53   

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Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 08 2019,10:27)
I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D

I’m jealous. Usually he accuses people of being me.

He’s getting worse.  He’s trying to accuse me of being Ogre lately.

Joke is absolutely losing it.  Everybody's a sock.  Everybody is out to get him.  Everyone in science is in a conspiracy to hide DA TRUTH.

I think the EMTs are going to putting Joke in a padded room shortly.   :O

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,13:00   

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Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 08 2019,10:27)
I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D

I’m jealous. Usually he accuses people of being me.

Whoever RP is I tip my cap to them.  They've got Joke so spun up he doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.   :)

You made me realize I haven't looked at Sharon's blog in a while.  She doesn't mention RP, but she's posted a lot about Peaceful Science and The Panda's Thumb.  Nothing sensible or even remotely civil, but a lot.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,14:33   

Quote (Patrick @ Dec. 08 2019,11:00)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 08 2019,11:55)
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Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 08 2019,10:27)
I'm tremendously amused because for some unknown reason Joke thinks I'm posting at UD as Reapers Plague.   :D   I haven't posted at UD since the Dave Scot days but Joke is having a shit-fit trying to get RP banned as my sock.  Too funny!   :D

I’m jealous. Usually he accuses people of being me.

Whoever RP is I tip my cap to them.  They've got Joke so spun up he doesn't know whether to shit or go blind.   :)

You made me realize I haven't looked at Sharon's blog in a while.  She doesn't mention RP, but she's posted a lot about Peaceful Science and The Panda's Thumb.  Nothing sensible or even remotely civil, but a lot.

btw I'm Patrick. And Henry J. And Lou FCD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2019,16:21   

I do have a rarely used persona on UD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,04:08   

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I do have a rarely used persona on UD.

So you're Barry Arrington!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2019,06:45   

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TAMMIE LEE HAYNESDecember 8, 2019 at 10:22 pm
I believe that Dr Hossenfelder has missed the point here.
It is true that the laws of nature must be what they are because they need to be to allow for a known fact, our existence “And that’s what the anthropic principle says, no more and no less.”
so far so good.

The problem begins when you ponder WHY these laws are what they are, when there is no apparent reason. Especially when one realizes that if they were different, by even an infinitesimal smidgeon, the universe we couldn’t be here.

The obvious and easy explanation, and the one that’s consistent with Occam’s razor, is the Creationist one: God made the laws the way they are so creatures like us could exist.

Of course, that puts Atheists in a jam. They cant fly with Creationism. They would have to give up Atheism and then they couldn’t be upscale profs, because federal judges say that creationism is against the constitution. That would mean no more gravy train. So they fly with the nonsensical infinite multiverse. It may be garbage, but for our poor Atheist friends, its the only show in town.

How nonsensical is it?
Consider this: According to MIT’s Atheist Multiverse guru, Dr Alan Guth,”in the infinite universe anything that can happen, and does not violate a fundamental law of conservation, will happen infinitely many times”. So an infinite number of universes multiverses will have laws like ours. Of course there’s no data for even a second universe, never mind an infinite number of them. Whatever.

It gets worse. By Dr Guths reasoning, in an infinite number of universes there will an infinite number of universes that contain a country with a system of government like ours. And as Dr Guth points out, there will an infinite number of them where reasonable and intelligent people think that Congress is doing a good job !!!! Now if that’s not nonsensical, tell me what is.
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LukebarnesDecember 9, 2019 at 5:38 pm
Dear UD, perhaps you could get contributors who have the slightest clue what they’re talking about.


yeah right

   
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