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Tom RobbinsNovember 25, 2019 at 11:35 am
What gets me is the use of the word “naturalist”. Everything in my mind is supernatural. And I can back it up philosophically. We only measure gravity, and have mathematical models that explain how it operates… does this mean we understand even a a tiny bit of what “Gravity” is? What does it mean when we say that massive objects, indeed all objects warp space and time? It is still an analogy.
Really the ONLY thing naturalism consist of are things that we consistently observe and measure. This does not mean it is natural, it is only normalized for our minds to understand… But do we really “know” what gravity or “light” are? Why they have the properties they have? “observing”, always indirectly, a particle, that “gives” something mass… this means nothing except it satisfies some mathematical. We define characteristics of what separates life from non-life, but we have no idea at all how this miracle happened, and WHY it strives for perfection.. I mean, there was nothing at all, then we are here typing away to each other, and why is there something rather than nothing – ORDER rules everything, and I believe that is supernatural – order fights against the laws of thermodynamics, “darkness” is not a thing, its the absence of light, the universe should collapse into itself or fly apart in an unstructured manner, but something, someone, holds it all in place. We don’t know why we are here… and to date, self-aware consciousness IS supernatural, as we can’t explain it… to say its all by accident is a cop out and very arrogant to me…it goes against all of our experience. Our uniform repeated experience is ORDER, but the laws of physics say there should be no order, no heat, no light, no potential energy, no life – it should all move to the lowest entropy possible… but something will not allow it (or someone)…thanks for letting me rant.. 🙂