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huwp



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,16:14   

Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning.  I mean that stuff burns.

OK, so it's on the Conservapedia page but even so...

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,16:42   

Conservapedia is quite possibly the most concentrated, densest collection of STUPIDITY in the entire known Universe.  And, I'd be willing to place money on multi-verses, too.

Tard would be a step up for Conservapedia.

It's like a black hole of stupidity.  Imagine all the stupid in the universe concentrated into a singularity the size of Ann Coulter's heart.  No intelligent thought could escape!  

If you took all the stuff in Conservapedia that made sense, you'd have three piles consisting of a's, the's and an's.  They'd all be red from embarrassment and in Comic Sans because that's the dress code.

  
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,17:58   

Quote (huwp @ Jan. 12 2009,17:14)
Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning. I mean that stuff burns.

OK, so it's on the Conservapedia page but even so...

What he said.

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The human prostate surrounds the urethra and in doing so provides many benefits. Evolutionists consider the structure to be poor design, which should mean that natural selection would have eliminated that design.


Total tard.  Natural selection doesn't weed out crap that kills you off AFTER successfully reproducing.

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That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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Lowell



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,18:36   

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Excuse me, but if you're going to peddle full strength undiluted tard like that you really ought to give us some kind of warning. I mean that stuff burns.

Yeah, sorry about that. I now realize that posting from CP without warning is dangerous. I mean, what if some kids (other than the homeskoolers in Schlafly's study group, who are deliberately and repeatedly exposed to it) got ahold of it and hurt themselves or others?
 
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Tard would be a step up for Conservapedia.

LOL, that's true. It's almost like the CPers are trying to copy the cool kids like Behe and Dr. Dr. D.
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Total tard. Natural selection doesn't weed out crap that kills you off AFTER successfully reproducing.

The prostate example is particularly stupid. (It's so hard to choose!)

Good design? Evolution must be false. Bad design? Evolution must be false. Schlafly wins again!

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Richard Simons



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,18:50   

From Conservapedia:
 
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Symbiosis - There are many examples where creatures rely on each other to survive which could not arise through evolution. Grass cannot survive without a certain fungus that helps it fix nitrogen from the atmosphere and the fungus can't survive without the grass. They must have appeared on earth at the same time.

I wondered who they had managed to garble (fungi do not fix nitrogen) so I went to their reference, which turns out to be about a symbiotic relationship between an aphid and a bacterium. At least aphids and grasses are both green, which is probably good enough for their purposes.

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,19:12   

Quote (bort @ Oct. 07 2008,21:08)
Generally, I am against vandalism of wikis, but this one was just too funny.

They took it down almost right away, but not before the redditors found it.

I'm a little behind checking these pages. I'm still laughing at this after 10 minutes.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,21:32   

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I wondered who they had managed to garble (fungi do not fix nitrogen) so I went to their reference, which turns out to be about a symbiotic relationship between an aphid and a bacterium

Yeah, I do seem to recall reading that some soil bacteria do that. Although I don't recall if they're necessarily symbiotic to something else or not. (Of course, loosely speaking, most of a biosystem is likely to be somewhat dependent on several other parts for several things, but not always on the directly interacting basis that we'd call symbiosis.)

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At least aphids and grasses are both green, which is probably good enough for their purposes.

It's not easy being green.

Henry

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 12 2009,22:03   

Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 12 2009,22:32)
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I wondered who they had managed to garble (fungi do not fix nitrogen) so I went to their reference, which turns out to be about a symbiotic relationship between an aphid and a bacterium

Yeah, I do seem to recall reading that some soil bacteria do that. Although I don't recall if they're necessarily symbiotic to something else or not. (Of course, loosely speaking, most of a biosystem is likely to be somewhat dependent on several other parts for several things, but not always on the directly interacting basis that we'd call symbiosis.)

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At least aphids and grasses are both green, which is probably good enough for their purposes.

It's not easy being green.

Henry

I had a bio/geo/chem class, back in the day, from which I remember that there are some trees which have nodules of nitrogen-fixing bacteria in them, but that's about all I remember. And a few random terms. C3 vs C4 plants. Stromatolites. The Pee Dee River basin.

   
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,00:00   

Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 12 2009,14:06)
Man, Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Evolution page is chock full of TARD.

My favorite:
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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.


That's just brilliant. Humans find it beautiful, but there's no reason why evolution would select for things that humans find beautiful, therefore it didn't evolve. Genius!

THAT WAS AN CONCENTRATED AMOUNT OF STUPID!

SHOUTING? WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? I CAN'T HEAR YOU? SPEAK LOUDER. OH NO! MY EARS IMPLODED!!!!1111!!

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Richard Simons



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,00:06   

There are nitrogen-fixing bacteria that live in nodules (they look like tumours) on the roots of legumes such as clovers, alfalfa, peas, beans and others. They get something like 1/3 of the sugars produced by the plant's photosynthesis but in return the plant gets a supply of nitrogen, which it can't extract from the air itself. Similar bacteria are also found with alders and a few other plants. The nitrogen fixation does not take place in the presence of free oxygen but the plant produces leghemoglobin, similar to hemoglobin, that supplies oxygen to the bacteria and gives the inside of the nodule a pinkish colour.

Many plants have fungi growing into the root and spreading out into the soil in a different symbiotic relationship. Like the bacteria, the fungi (known as vesicular-arbuscular mycorrhiza or VAMs) get their energy from the plant. In return, the fungi penetrate the soil more thoroughly than the plant roots and are significant in absorbing nutrients, in particular phosphorus.

I think Conservapedia got the two confused, exaggerated the importance of the fungi to the plant and gave a link to a third, completely different, symbiotic relationship.

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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,00:46   

Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 12 2009,16:06)
Man, Conservapedia's Counterexamples to Evolution page is chock full of TARD.

My favorite:
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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.


That's just brilliant. Humans find it beautiful, but there's no reason why evolution would select for things that humans find beautiful, therefore it didn't evolve. Genius!

If they can't understand the concept that humans are not the be-all and end-all, I seriously doubt they would understand pigmentation in leaves, or the fact that those bright colors of reef fish are excellent camouflage in their natural (unlit by human lights) habitats.  It's the same mindset that says that the moon is position just right so that we can have eclipses.

I'd go to the actual site, but my tard-resistant goggles are broken - I'm not sure I could take such concentrations.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,02:55   

The page on Richard Dawkins is especially good (they don't seem to like him very much), first header:
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Creationist Video Interview of Richard Dawkins Being Stumped*

...although it's not as funny as it was until early November last year, when they had a photo of Adolf Hitler (not RD) as the main image at the top of the page. The talk page comments regarding this are especially hilarious.

*ETA - I assume everyone here knows what this refers to - ask if necessary.

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Nomad



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,04:13   

Holy Hell! What a bunch of obsequious, cowering mice men! Some of them recognize that putting a picture of Hitler up on a page about someone else is a bad idea, but they still defer to the authority of the others and merely suggest that multiple copies of the same Hitler picture looks a bit silly, and perhaps it would be better off further down the page.

Happily some of them eventually were feeling feisty enough to post something like this:
 
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I think Conservative's a force for good. Say what you want about the man, he's got style. --Wikinterpreter

Yes, a style that involves a lot of Hitler pictures. Corry 17:08, 6 November 2008 (EST)


And it gets better. The talk returns to the subject of the video, which some protested because they knew the interview had been arranged under false pretenses, and we get this:
 
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But all the fuss conceals an even bigger bit of dishonesty. Dawkins and his ilk continually brand intelligent design as "Creationism", on the grounds that ID developed out of Creation Science. They refuse to respect the careful attention ID proponents have taken to remove God completely from the design argument. They pretend not to see it. That is what is so infuriating about these deceivers.

They censor the facts, because they have no counterargument. Science should be a marketplace of ideas..

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,16:00   

Quote (lkeithlu @ Jan. 12 2009,17:12)
Quote (bort @ Oct. 07 2008,21:08)
Generally, I am against vandalism of wikis, but this one was just too funny.

They took it down almost right away, but not before the redditors found it.

I'm a little behind checking these pages. I'm still laughing at this after 10 minutes.

The "real", presumably unvandalized, Conservapedia page is almost as good:
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Other particles that are believed to exist in stars, but are not found naturally on the earth, are photons and neutrinos.

Nope, no photons here. I'd move along, but I can't bloody see.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 13 2009,21:59   

Neutrinos don't hang around long enough to be regarded as being "on" a planet. I forget how many of those things fly right through each of us each second, though (usually without any effect).

Henry

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,10:35   

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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.

Many cases of foul, putrid ugliness, such as parasitic worms

http://www.stanford.edu/group....leg.jpg

and gangrenous faces

http://bp1.blogger.com/_GpIqc5....g

lack any plausible theological explanation

(edited to replace shocking, grotesque image with link to same -stevetard)

Edited by stevestory on Jan. 14 2009,15:30

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,11:11   

Quidam - I have to disagree that there is no theological explanation.

1.) "Theological" explanation implies there is a God.

2.) If #1 is correct, the answer is that god is a dick and should be severely punished.

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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,14:01   

Quidam, I would have preferred if you had posted a link to those pictures.

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,14:50   

...

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The organized fossils ... and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

  
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,14:51   

I am not going to apologize for showing pictures of real world suffering. Horrific - yes. Preventable - yes. if you are offended then I hope you are also encourageed to do something.

Those kinds of things are entirely preventable. I can only do a bit to help. But then I'm not omnipotent or omniscient. If I was and chose to do nothing, I think I would deserve to be reviled - not held up as the epitome of virtue - especially if I had deliberately created those creatures.

However the simpler explanation that nature is indifferent to suffering and that nematodes and bacteria are just doing what their genes have tailored them to do for millennia. It's up to us to make this world a bit better by doing something other than just wishing.

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin,
Who made the sharks, He did.

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
AMEN.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,14:52   

Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 14 2009,10:11)
Quidam - I have to disagree that there is no theological explanation.

... plausible ...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,14:53   

Careful what you say about squids. HE might be watching.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,15:27   

Quote (Quidam @ Jan. 14 2009,14:51)
I am not going to apologize for showing pictures of real world suffering. Horrific - yes. Preventable - yes. if you are offended then I hope you are also encouraged to do something.


All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin,
Who made the sharks, He did.

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.
AMEN.

Yeah, that's the way I took it to...

And Monty Python nails it.  Damn, those guys were good!

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,20:46   

Quote (Quidam @ Jan. 14 2009,08:35)
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Many cases of beauty, such as the brilliant autumn foliage and staggering array of beautiful marine fish, lack any plausible evolutionary explanation.

Many cases of foul, putrid ugliness, such as parasitic worms

http://www.stanford.edu/group....leg.jpg

and gangrenous faces

http://bp1.blogger.com/_GpIqc5....g

lack any plausible theological explanation

(edited to replace shocking, grotesque image with link to same -stevetard)

When working on case notes, I often read in bed. Occasionally there would be a disgusting photo of someone, or bits and pieces of someone. My wife always seemed to know, and would demand to see. It turned out, if it was particularly bad I would say, "Oh My!" Not what I would have thought I would have said (in fact I didn't know that I had said anything).

{To give you an indication of the wonderful woman I married- she didn't want me to be alone in viewing the really bad stuff}.

One time we were at the Orange County Science Teachers Association annual meeting. Between the dinner and desert there was always a lecture. One year the lecture was on forensic science. There was a slide show of dead bodies, blood spatters, and rape examination. Several people became sick. My wife leaned over and whispered, "I feel bad that I don't feel bad!"

"But Sweety, you have seen worse in bed." Referring of course to forensics.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,20:48   

The little kid with the face infection looks more like staph.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,22:21   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Jan. 14 2009,19:48)
The little kid with the face infection looks more like staph.

Isn't another name for that: hemolytic staphylococcus gangrene?

I is only an engineer, but I thought that gangrene was a non-specific name for necrosis from one of many bacteria.

My first thought was that it was likely oro-facial gangrene from acute gingivitis.

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,22:52   

This seems to be the source of the image, where it is tagged with
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El Noma (Cancrum Oris), una enfermedad infecciosa que mutila las partes blandas de la cara y suele iniciarse durante un episodio febril. Esta lesin, que a menudo pasa desapercibida en un primer momento, evoluciona hacia una gingivitis ulcerosa de manera rpida y extensa, afectando a continuacin a mejillas, mentn, labios, etc. Su devastador resultado: una lesin en forma de crter cavernoso que llega a devorar la masa osea con vil celeridad.

Son los malditos entre los ms pobres, la cara ms amarga de la pobreza.


The Noma (Cancrum Oris), is an infectious disease that maims the soft parts of the face and usually starts during a fever. This lesion, which often goes unnoticed at first, evolves into an ulcerative gingivitis so rapid and widespread, affecting cheeks, chin, lips, etc.. Its devastating result is a cavernous crater devouring bone mass with vicious speed.

They are the cursed among the poorest, the most bitter end of poverty.


Blessed are the poor?

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 14 2009,23:35   

I usually associate gangrene with an opportunistic infection of mixed agents (staph being important, but also yeast and fungi) following traumatic necrosis, and then becoming systemic and typically lethal. That would be the approximate translation of hemolytic staphylococcus gangrene.

Here is something that grossed me out, deriving statistical norms for infant development under famine conditions. The point was being able to tell if the child was dying from starvation, or of disease. I had to keep reminding myself why that was a meaningful distinction.

Edited by Dr.GH on Jan. 14 2009,21:47

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Lowell



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,14:48   

It's not Conservapedia, per se, but anyone can anonymously sign up for access to the course materials at Eagle Forum University.

Andy Schlafly is teaching American History, Principles of Microeconomics, Evolution & Politics, and Evolution Fallacies, among others.

The Evolution Fallacies materials might be the most highly-concentrated stupidity I've ever seen. Even dumber than Conservapedia itself. I recommend for your own sanity you stay far, far away.

But, I will supply you with the following excerpt simply because you may not be aware that the very existence of mathematics disproves evolution:  
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Ask an evolutionist if 2+2=4 exists. Or if mathematical pi, the parameter for calculating the distance around a circle, exists. Are they merely figments of human imagination?

Put another way, did humans discover arithmetic and geometry, or did humans invent them?

For most of us and most mathematicians, including the highly celebrated late Paul Erdos, the answer is obvious: humans discovered these principles, which have always existed. "Dr. Erdos, like many mathematicians, believed that mathematical truths are discovered, not invented." http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ddd/erdos.html Ditto for Albert Einstein: "An equation is for eternity." (Encycl. Brit.)

But for evolutionists, non-material principles do not exist. If they existed, then there would be the question of where they came from. There would also be the question of how nature might relate to these and other principles.

And there would be the question of what other principles exist based on math or logic. Like law and religion, for example.

Materialistic evolution simply does not allow for the existence of principles. But principles plainly do exist.

What I want to know is whether anyone takes these "classes" seriously. Do homeschool parents actually assign this drivel to their children? God, I hope not.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,15:32   

Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 23 2009,14:48)
It's not Conservapedia, per se, but anyone can anonymously sign up for access to the course materials at Eagle Forum University.

Andy Schlafly is teaching American History, Principles of Microeconomics, Evolution & Politics, and Evolution Fallacies, among others.

The Evolution Fallacies materials might be the most highly-concentrated stupidity I've ever seen. Even dumber than Conservapedia itself. I recommend for your own sanity you stay far, far away.

But, I will supply you with the following excerpt simply because you may not be aware that the very existence of mathematics disproves evolution:  
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Ask an evolutionist if 2+2=4 exists. Or if mathematical pi, the parameter for calculating the distance around a circle, exists. Are they merely figments of human imagination?

Put another way, did humans discover arithmetic and geometry, or did humans invent them?

For most of us and most mathematicians, including the highly celebrated late Paul Erdos, the answer is obvious: humans discovered these principles, which have always existed. "Dr. Erdos, like many mathematicians, believed that mathematical truths are discovered, not invented." http://www.cise.ufl.edu/~ddd/erdos.html Ditto for Albert Einstein: "An equation is for eternity." (Encycl. Brit.)

But for evolutionists, non-material principles do not exist. If they existed, then there would be the question of where they came from. There would also be the question of how nature might relate to these and other principles.

And there would be the question of what other principles exist based on math or logic. Like law and religion, for example.

Materialistic evolution simply does not allow for the existence of principles. But principles plainly do exist.

What I want to know is whether anyone takes these "classes" seriously. Do homeschool parents actually assign this drivel to their children? God, I hope not.

From their "diagnostic quiz":

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14. The phrase the separation of church and state can be found where?
(a) in the original Constitution.
(b) in the Bill of Rights.
( c ) in the amendments enacted after the Bill of Rights.
(d) in the Declaration of Independence.
(e) in none of the above, but in arguments by people seeking to censor Christianity.

Oooh! I know! Pick me! Pick me!!!!!111!

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