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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2019,18:52    it's been a long 14 years since we've been doing the UD threads and there were periods where I was with it and not with it and paying attention and not paying attention and unfortunately to me the lewontin thing is lost to the sands of time...if anybody can give me a brief rundown of the historical overview with regard to that topic I would appreciate it, but if it's too elaborate and historical for anybody to bother with I understand that too.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2019,19:27    Quote (stevestory @ June 04 2019,18:52) it's been a long 14 years since we've been doing the UD threads and there were periods where I was with it and not with it and paying attention and not paying attention and unfortunately to me the lewontin thing is lost to the sands of time...if anybody can give me a brief rundown of the historical overview with regard to that topic I would appreciate it, but if it's too elaborate and historical for anybody to bother with I understand that too. The IDiots at UD (normally Kariosflatus but occasionally Batshit or News) have been recycling the Lewontin quote-mine about materialism pretty much every week for the last decade at least.   SOP is now for the first person to spot it to post here "Lewontin!"  No cash prize but bragging rights until the next occurrence.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2019,22:04    Lewontin by Quote!   Quote Suzan Mazur: Excuse me, what do you mean by selection? David Wilson: Selection? Natural selection. Suzan Mazur: Natural selection has been debunked by the scientific community. David, you know that. You know that. Why are you lying to the public? You know that. Look at Eugene Koonin. Look at Jerry Fodor. Look at Richard Lewontin. Moderator: Let’s let him answer the question. Suzan Mazur: He needs to seriously define what he means by natural selection. Moderator: We’re not ready for the question yet. Suzan Mazur: The whole thing [talk] doesn’t work if he doesn’t define it. How'd you like to have this kind of shrill nutcase comin' at you?  But on the other hand, Wilson takes money from Templeton, so he deserves it. Link

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 04 2019,22:09    Best definition I know of for "natural selection" is "differential reproductive success". Wonder if that would work over there?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2019,07:33    Quote : Natural selection has been debunked by the scientific community. What???

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2019,08:04    Quote 9 Brother Brian June 4, 2019 at 8:54 pm BA77       Quote BB, and who exactly is this “me” that was convinced?           Ah. The classic BA77 argument against an atheist. Claim that they are meatbots so they can’t have real thoughts. It was lame the first thousand times you used it. Now it is just pathetic. If you ever have a real argument, let me know.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2019,09:33    Quote (Henry J @ June 05 2019,06:09) Best definition I know of for "natural selection" is "differential reproductive success". Wonder if that would work over there? Yeah the differential allows dogs with two woody johnsons to go at different speeds. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2019,13:35    viva la differential

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2019,18:13    Quote Brother Brian June 5, 2019 at 4:43 pm BA77 Quote Thus may be of interest to some: Well, we all have unachievable dreams.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 05 2019,22:21    I'm really amazed that batshit 77 hasn't gotten him banned yet.

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,04:27    Quote (stevestory @ June 04 2019,12:10)     Quote (fnxtr @ June 04 2019,12:16) Suggested listening: "Truth is out of style" by MC 900-foot Jesus. Truth Is Out of Style Quote I've never heard that guy but this sounds interesting. Quote Griffin's father was an army officer,[2] and his family moved frequently before eventually settling in Dallas, Texas in 1979.[3] Griffin studied the trumpet and has a BA in Music from Morehead State University as well as an advanced degree in music from North Texas State University.[2] Before becoming MC 900 Ft. Jesus, Griffin played in local Dallas bands The Telefones and Lithium X-Mas. Career Griffin's stage name came from a sermon by Oral Roberts, in which the televangelist claimed that he had received a vision of a 900-foot-tall (270 m) Jesus, who commanded him to build a hospital (CityPlex Towers) on the campus of Oral Roberts University.[2][3] Hell with the Lid Off (1990) was Griffin's first full-length release for MC 900 Ft. Jesus as well as the first time Griffin had appeared on a major record label. Featuring DJ Zero (Patrick Rollins) and the single "Truth is Out of Style" which gained a cult following.[3][4] It's been a while but I used to listen to him and Thomas Dolby quite a bit back in the day. Additional suggested listening ... The tongue in cheek If I Only Had a Brain (The UD theme song)  *better audio sans dope music video And my favorite, The City Sleeps (just because) -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,07:11    Quote 131 Brother Brian June 5, 2019 at 9:52 pm I haven’t followed this discussion on reality and the observer, and I have no intention of reading thousands of obtuse words written by BA77 and KF. But I assume that it is the same nonsense about reality not existing until it is observed. How do you explain historic temperature estimates based on stable isotope ratios? Do the stable isotope ratios not exist until they are observed? Or do the historic temperatures not exist until the isotope ratios are observed? What about the discovery of fossils? Do the fossils not exist until we observe them? Do the animals that lived millions of years ago not exist until we observe the fossils? linky

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,09:38    Quote (stevestory @ June 06 2019,15:11) Quote 131 Brother Brian June 5, 2019 at 9:52 pm I haven’t followed this discussion on reality and the observer, and I have no intention of reading thousands of obtuse words written by BA77 and KF. But I assume that it is the same nonsense about reality not existing until it is observed. How do you explain historic temperature estimates based on stable isotope ratios? Do the stable isotope ratios not exist until they are observed? Or do the historic temperatures not exist until the isotope ratios are observed? What about the discovery of fossils? Do the fossils not exist until we observe them? Do the animals that lived millions of years ago not exist until we observe the fossils? linky Howls of agitprop expected from kf -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,10:05    Quote (k.e.. @ June 06 2019,07:38) Quote (stevestory @ June 06 2019,15:11) Quote 131 Brother Brian June 5, 2019 at 9:52 pm I haven’t followed this discussion on reality and the observer, and I have no intention of reading thousands of obtuse words written by BA77 and KF. But I assume that it is the same nonsense about reality not existing until it is observed. How do you explain historic temperature estimates based on stable isotope ratios? Do the stable isotope ratios not exist until they are observed? Or do the historic temperatures not exist until the isotope ratios are observed? What about the discovery of fossils? Do the fossils not exist until we observe them? Do the animals that lived millions of years ago not exist until we observe the fossils? linky Howls of agitprop expected from kf To be fair, you could say that about any UD post. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,10:06    Quote (k.e.. @ June 06 2019,09:38) Quote (stevestory @ June 06 2019,15:11) Quote 131 Brother Brian June 5, 2019 at 9:52 pm I haven’t followed this discussion on reality and the observer, and I have no intention of reading thousands of obtuse words written by BA77 and KF. But I assume that it is the same nonsense about reality not existing until it is observed. How do you explain historic temperature estimates based on stable isotope ratios? Do the stable isotope ratios not exist until they are observed? Or do the historic temperatures not exist until the isotope ratios are observed? What about the discovery of fossils? Do the fossils not exist until we observe them? Do the animals that lived millions of years ago not exist until we observe the fossils? linky Howls of agitprop expected from kf Ask and it shall be done. Quote BB, if you can’t be bothered to actually read and follow a discussion, snide dismissive commentary serves only to show that you are failing the test of good faith participation in a fairly significant albeit somewhat tangential discussion. I suggest, you would be well advised to reconsider the significance of moral government of our intellectual life in light of the inescapability of manifest duties to truth, right reason, prudence (including warrant), fairness and justice etc. Your triple fail here in a dismissive attempt speaks volumes. KF

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,10:09    Countdown to [SNIP: BB HAS NOW LOST POSTING RIGHTS ON THIS THREAD] Quote Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 9:00 am KF BB, if you can’t be bothered to actually read and follow a discussion, … Are you serious? I simply refer you to comments 103, 108, 109, 110, 111, 117, 118, 119, 124, 125, 127, 128, 129, 130, 133, 136, 137, 139, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145 and 146. These posts are hundreds of words each, constituting thousands and thousands of words (maybe hundreds of thousands). All over a two day period. Do you honestly think anyone is reading all of this, let alone comprehending it?

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,10:25    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 06 2019,08:09) Countdown to [SNIP: BB HAS NOW LOST POSTING RIGHTS ON THIS THREAD] Quote Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 9:00 am KF BB, if you can’t be bothered to actually read and follow a discussion, … Are you serious? I simply refer you to comments 103, 108, 109, 110, 111, 117, 118, 119, 124, 125, 127, 128, 129, 130, 133, 136, 137, 139, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145 and 146. These posts are hundreds of words each, constituting thousands and thousands of words (maybe hundreds of thousands). All over a two day period. Do you honestly think anyone is reading all of this, let alone comprehending it? Shorter BB: "KF, there's this thing called a life..." -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,10:51    Quote (fnxtr @ June 06 2019,10:25) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 06 2019,08:09) Countdown to [SNIP: BB HAS NOW LOST POSTING RIGHTS ON THIS THREAD]   Quote Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 9:00 am KF BB, if you can’t be bothered to actually read and follow a discussion, … Are you serious? I simply refer you to comments 103, 108, 109, 110, 111, 117, 118, 119, 124, 125, 127, 128, 129, 130, 133, 136, 137, 139, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145 and 146. These posts are hundreds of words each, constituting thousands and thousands of words (maybe hundreds of thousands). All over a two day period. Do you honestly think anyone is reading all of this, let alone comprehending it? Shorter BB: "KF, there's this thing called a life..." Without doing an actual tally I'd bet a month's pay KF and Batshit account for well over 95% of the total word count posted at UD. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,12:38    Batshit77: Quote Turin Shroud Hologram Reveals The Words “The Lamb” – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....a1l8GAQ 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "Turin Shroud Hologram" you know it's worth pausing occasionally just to appreciate how fucking batshit that idiot is.     Quote 148 Hazel June 6, 2019 at 9:57 am Especially when so much of it is quotes or rhetorical phrases that have been posted before. 149 Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 11:05 am Hazel, did you make an attempt to read it all? And, a more important question, appropriate to what is being discussed, if nobody really reads (observes) it, does it even exist? linky

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,12:54    Quote (stevestory @ June 06 2019,10:38) Batshit77: Quote Turin Shroud Hologram Reveals The Words “The Lamb” – video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....a1l8GAQ 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "Turin Shroud Hologram" you know it's worth pausing occasionally just to appreciate how fucking batshit that idiot is. :D  :D  :D Quote 148 Hazel June 6, 2019 at 9:57 am Especially when so much of it is quotes or rhetorical phrases that have been posted before. 149 Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 11:05 am Hazel, did you make an attempt to read it all? And, a more important question, appropriate to what is being discussed, if nobody really reads (observes) it, does it even exist? linky If KF spews nonsense in Montserrat and no-one reads it, is he still wrong? -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,13:38    Hazel wins Quote 150 hazel June 6, 2019 at 11:33 am You mean, does the wave function of a post ever collapse if no one does anything other than quickly scroll past without looking? (ba’s position), or is the interaction with the pixels on my screen sufficient to bring the post into existence (kf’s) position, and is the whole thing just part of the universal mind (wjm’s position), or does it really exist as part of an objective reality (Stephen B’s position) See, I have been paying attention! 🙂 -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,14:02    Quote Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 12:28 pm KF and BA77 have posted 29,355 words in the last two days. Given that a typical novel is about 100,000 words, they will have written the equivalent of a novel in six days if they keep up this pace. Even Stephen King isn’t that prolific.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,14:43    Well, then maybe somebody should have words with those guys about this sort of thing?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,14:45    Quote 154 Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 1:18 pm KF Quote BB, it is clear that you have not actually looked at what is happening, by lumping two very different individuals together with quite diverse patterns (esp. over the past few days). You are absolutely correct. You were only responsible for about 10,000 of the 30,000 words. Therefore, it would take you at least ten days to produce a novel’s worth of words.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,14:48    BB made a small math error there, but what do you expect from some loser darwinist who doesn't even understand Turin shroud holograms?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,14:54    Quote (stevestory @ June 06 2019,14:48) BB made a small math error there, but what do you expect from some loser darwinist who doesn't even understand Turin shroud holograms? True. It would take st least 20 days. But to make it intelligible would take years.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,16:25    Quote 156 Hazel June 6, 2019 at 3:02 pm My very speculative hypothesis is that matter and mind arise from a common, unknowable, underlying source, and that both manifest themselves through QM effects. (Word count: 25) ETA       HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Edited by stevestory on June 06 2019,17:34

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,16:58    Quote (stevestory @ June 06 2019,14:25) Quote 156 Hazel June 6, 2019 at 3:02 pm My very speculative hypothesis is that matter and mind arise from a common, unknowable, underlying source, and that both manifest themselves through QM effects. (Word count: 25) ETA       HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Except I would have thought HocusPocusFocus and BoringAgainStill would insist they do know the source. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2019,19:05    Quote 159 Brother Brian June 6, 2019 at 5:12 pm Hazel Quote Hazel June 6, 2019 at 3:02 pm My very speculative hypothesis is that matter and mind arise from a common, unknowable, underlying source, and that both manifest themselves through QM effects. (Word count: 25) Then you must be wrong. Correct opinions require between 10,000 and 30,000 words. Everybody knows that.

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2019,09:34    kf and ba are going at it about something, ba accusing kf of being a closet materialist because he doesn't accept the Agent Causality of God. The word count is flying. Link

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