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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2013,06:25   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,05:19)
I'd like to see Thrinaxodon's "Human Devonian" origins appear in the t.o. CC Index. Most relevant is that he occasionally pushes it in t.o. I'd like to see a resource refuting his asinine crap.

Mark Isaac's criterion for inclusion in the Index is publication of the claim. Troll comments do not count as publication.

Give me a citation to where it is published and a rough draft of a response for the Index.

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Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2013,06:59   

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian.

CLAIM: Man originated in the Devonian. There are finds indicate that Man is at least 395 Ma. They were found at the Hunsruck locality. However, the people at the Leakey Foundation are hiding the evidence. They are indoctrinating people.

RESPONSES

1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

2. The Hunsruck locality is Early Devonian.

3. There is no 'conspiracy against the truth'. All the evidence indicates man at least evolved 7 million years ago.

REFERENCES:

1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

Jamie L. Russell,

Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

William D. Hopkins [I]

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"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2013,11:27   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian.


RESPONSES

1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

REFERENCES:

1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

Jamie L. Russell,

Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

William D. Hopkins [I]

No, the claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.

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Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2013,15:47   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian.


RESPONSES

1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

REFERENCES:

1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

Jamie L. Russell,

Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

William D. Hopkins

No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.

Fixed it.

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"At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL

"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 17 2013,15:57   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,15:47)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
 
Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian.


RESPONSES

1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

REFERENCES:

1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

Jamie L. Russell,

Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

William D. Hopkins

No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.

Fixed it.

Fixed what?

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2013,20:16   

Lightning + transformer = lights out.

Things are back now.

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Arctodus23



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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2013,21:55   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,15:57)
Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,15:47)
   
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
   
Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian.


RESPONSES

1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

REFERENCES:

1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

Jamie L. Russell,

Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

William D. Hopkins

No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.

Fixed it.

Fixed what?

Look above.

Oh! I developed a cancelbot script. Available if anyone wants to try it:

file:///C:/Users/sciencewizz/Documents/usenetcancelbot.oy.py

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"At our church’s funerals, we sing gospel songs (out loud) to God." -- FL

"So the center of the earth being hotter than the surface is a "gross
violation of the second law of thermodynamics??" -- Ted Holden

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2013,23:27   

Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 27 2013,21:55)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,15:57)
 
Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,15:47)
     
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 17 2013,11:27)
     
Quote (Arctodus23 @ July 17 2013,06:59)
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki.......vonian.


RESPONSES

1: There are no records of hominin fossils being found lower than 5-8 million years ago. For example (Russel, Taglialetala, Shaeffer, Hopkins, et al. human language is predicted to have evolved from a human/ape ancestor. They communicate, intentionally by manual gestures. Which, with vocalizations, activates the Broca's area.

REFERENCES:

1.  [/I]Chimpanzee Vocal Signaling Points to a Multimodal Origin of Human Language, Plos One, 20 April 2011,  Jared P. Taglialatela,

Jamie L. Russell,

Jennifer A. Schaeffer,

William D. Hopkins

No, the [i]claim that is being rebutted has to be published. We know that the material that rebuts it is already published.

Fixed it.

Fixed what?

Look above.

Oh! I developed a cancelbot script. Available if anyone wants to try it:

file:///C:/Users/sciencewizz/Documents/usenetcancelbot.oy.py

I did look above. There's still no citation of publication for the claim.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2013,09:13   

Anyone else having trouble getting into PT?

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"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2013,14:19   

Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2013,09:13)
Anyone else having trouble getting into PT?

Just tried, and got in without any trouble.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2013,00:19   

Quote (Cubist @ Sep. 23 2013,12:19)
 
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2013,09:13)
Anyone else having trouble getting into PT?

Just tried, and got in without any trouble.

my bookmark doesn't have the www, could that be it?

eta: yup, that was it.

eta eta: when I go back to "main" from "archives" I get the same problem.

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 31 2013,18:33   

I've had one report of a problem where pages from this site partially load, then everything blanks out. I know it is tough to get feedback from those affected, but anyway... anybody else seeing that? Please post OS, browser version, and URL if you can.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2013,08:33   

Kindle Fire. The only problem is that links to posts always bring up the top of the page, rather than scroll to the post. This is a common but not universal glitch with the Kindle.  TSZ works correctly.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2013,00:53   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 31 2013,17:33)
I've had one report of a problem where pages from this site partially load, then everything blanks out. I know it is tough to get feedback from those affected, but anyway... anybody else seeing that? Please post OS, browser version, and URL if you can.

I'm seeing that now. Last two pages of the Gary thread, and the last page there is fairly short so it isn't the length. Also this thread. If I hit escape before it finishes the stuff below the actual thread and the picture loading, I can read it.

Firefox 3.6.28.

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2013,12:06   

I'm using the latest Firefox version, and have not seen any problems.

   
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2013,12:25   

Mine just takes a while to come up, using Firefox.  Usually it's been about as quick to appear as most any website, and now it might take a minute or so.  Once here it works fairly well, but I think a bit more slowly than previously.

Glen Davidson

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2013,09:47   

Do we have the reoccurrence of the page bug in the thread dedicated to Gary Gaulin?
I posted a reply but it didn't show up.  I left the site, came back and saw I was listed as author of the most recent post, but that post is still not visible or accessible.
Thanks for checking/fixing or clarifying what I'm doing wrong, as the case may be.

ETA:  And now, roughly half an hour later, there's a new post in the thread, at the bottom of the page, and no sign of mine.
Very odd…

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2013,15:25   

What a pity, I'd have loved to read it.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2013,15:32   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 12 2013,15:25)
What a pity, I'd have loved to read it.

You're too kind ;-)

It had little that was genuinely new, but that's to be expected given what it was addressed to.
But definitely an annoying surprise, I worked hard on that response (partially due to the pita of adding 'in line' remarks).

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2013,16:33   

I thought so. In such cases, I c&p the entry from the edit window to msword during the process. Then I can preview, add/edit links and quotes before posting. Html/url's can be copied between the two without any problems.

I have even made it a habit to use tinyurl for links so I won't have to worry about non-functioning links.

If your keybard doesn't have them (mine doesn't), I use ALT + numeric 91/93 for [ and ] when I need them.

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Rocks have no biology.
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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2013,03:58   

SiteMeter has turned evil. I've seen the popup video that others have mentioned, and have traced it back to stuff that comes with the SiteMeter counter. I'll be removing SiteMeter from this site the next chance I get to work on the code.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2013,21:26   

Something turned evil? Call Buffy! Or the Halliwell sisters! They slay it!

(Or vanquish it, depending on which one you call. )

Henry

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2013,12:34   

Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 26 2013,19:26)
Something turned evil? Call Buffy! Or the Halliwell sisters! They slay it!

(Or vanquish it, depending on which one you call. )

Henry

I was wondering what became of Ginger. Didn't know she had a sister, though.

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"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2013,22:51   

Ginger? Who's that?

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2013,03:39   

Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 27 2013,22:51)
Ginger? Who's that?

Ale?

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2013,09:45   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 28 2013,03:39)
Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 27 2013,22:51)
Ginger? Who's that?

Ale?

Geri, I assume.

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 28 2013,14:05   

I have not seen any videos appear.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,17:59   

The major ice storm that hit the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex late on Dec. 5th took out power to over a quarter million homes and businesses, including where the server for this site resides. The power was restored in the evening of the 6th, but the server motherboard had been damaged. Getting the system disk into a new box and configured to boot properly took a good chunk of the 7th. We are back up, though this is a stopgap measure. The transition to another server was already in the works. The first domain on the new server is talkorigins.org. As I get time, I'll be moving the web applications from the current server to the new one.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2013,18:20   

Thanks for all your hard work and dedication, Wes.

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BillB



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2013,21:32   

Given the timing I am fairly confident that Barry Arrington would have interpreted the event as an act of God, and an affirmation that he is right and just in his actions ...

  
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