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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,00:47   

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Also, am I counting wrong or does Sal have three undergraduate degrees for some reason?
If the only panel to discuss your ideas consists of me, myself and I you need a degree for each of them.

Oh, the ID version of peer review

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,01:47   

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Bonus questions: Who is Peter Singer, and why are we supposed to care?

He's a philosopher who's interested in animal rights (amongst other things).  According to Sal, he advocated sexual relationships between humans and animals.  Wikipedia has a slightly different version.

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So far as I know, he's totally irrelevant to everything.

Sorry, who do you mean here, Singer or Sal?

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Also, am I counting wrong or does Sal have three undergraduate degrees for some reason? Why do so many creationists have so many degrees?

I've no IDEA.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,02:34   

I just wandered over to see what Sal was doing, and noticed the recent comments:
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   * John A. Davison on My view of the End Times
   * John A. Davison on Nomogenesis by Leo Berg
   * John A. Davison on Rachmaninoff plays Chopin Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2
   * scordova on Nomogenesis by Leo Berg
   * John A. Davison on Rachmaninoff plays Chopin Nocturne Op. 9 No. 2
   * John A. Davison on Nomogenesis by Leo Berg
   * John A. Davison on I have a new boss! Dr. Caroline Crocker!
   * John A. Davison on I have a new boss! Dr. Caroline Crocker!
   * John A. Davison on Homosexuality may be partially inherited, YECs shoot themselves in the foot again
   * scordova on The home I was raised in....

I'll get the popcorn.

I love it so!

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,06:06   

Explaining his absence, Sal discusses his vacation:
 
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I spent part of my vacation at Biloxi. Here are some pictures of one of the place where I hung out. Biloxi is so much nicer than nearby New Orelans from what I hear. The people in Biloxi impress me as being God fearing…

What is curious about this is that all three places in Biloxi that he claims to have hung out at are Hotels and Casinos.  God fearing indeed.......

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,07:16   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 27 2008,02:34)
I just wandered over to see what Sal was doing, and noticed the recent comments:
 
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   * John A. Davison on My view of the End Times
   ....

I'll get the popcorn.

I love it so!

Bob

Thanks Bob for the tip  :)

In the thread My view of the End Times, JAD responds:

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Evil already reigns in the persons of P.Z. Myers, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, all of whom have abandoned any pretense of rationality to dedicate all of their energies to the cause of Universal Atheism. We now have our very first proclaimed atheist congressman, an atheist political action committee, and atheist inspired day camps for the purpose of converting our youth to godless atheism. It is eerily reminiscent of Hitlerjugend and potentially just as dangerous. Go to Pharyngula and click on the scarlet A to discover Richard Dawkins at his atheist best. My God, they are now peddling coffee mugs, bumper stickers and Tshirts to an adoring crowd of atheist zealots and doing so from the blog of a tenured member of the faculty of the University of Minnesota, my doctoral alma mater. I complained to the Provost but received no reply.

This sort of thing wiuld have been unthinkable twenty years ago. Western Civilization is in a state of profound decay.


Oh, the horror, the horror -- where can we run and hide from those scarlet As?


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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,14:42   

Sal the Consistent believes Christianity has yielded some mean, nasty, deluded Darwinists, like Dawkins, Meyers, Brayton, and Avalos.

Wouldn't want to be mean and nasty.

Also, he believes that the Christian Michael Dowd, who has traveled the country arguing that Christianity can be reconciled with Darwinism, should castrate himself.

That there is some weird shit, Sal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,14:50   

Quote (Annyday @ Jan. 26 2008,11:24)
Also, am I counting wrong or does Sal have three undergraduate degrees for some reason? Why do so many creationists have so many degrees?

Several answers:
They have so much spare time on their nice subsidised salary etc, that they like to learn.
The degrees help overawe the gullible.
They think that the more you sit there the more you learn.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,15:13   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 27 2008,14:42)
Sal the Consistent believes Christianity has yielded some mean, nasty, deluded Darwinists, like Dawkins, Meyers, Brayton, and Avalos.

Wouldn't want to be mean and nasty.

Also, he believes that the Christian Michael Dowd, who has traveled the country arguing that Christianity can be reconciled with Darwinism, should castrate himself.

That there is some weird shit, Sal.

Sal also gets Kimura, genetic drift, and by extension all of population genetics, completely back-asswards wrong. I'm not sure if I should be surprised that Sal clearly doesn't understand basic population genetics, but for some reason I am.

Really, what is he trying to pull with this?

 
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For the record, I’m a pragmatist. To quote my favorite Darwinist (former evangelical) Michael Shermer, “What it is, is what it is.” I’m willing to revise my beliefs if I’m wrong. Being an engineer and going through school in the sciences, one gets confronted with one’s fallibility every day — heck, every hour!

But certain things we realize cannot possibly be true, and then we move on. I realize Darwinism cannot possibly be true in it’s most major claims. The Darwinists can’t make their math work. Kimura showed Darwinism is not the driving force in molecular evolution, and it’s apparent if molecular evolution is not governed by Darwinism, we should not expect much else in biology to be. Like Berlinski, one does not need to be a creationist to know Darwinism is drek.


The math works so far as I can tell, right about as well as Sal's beloved Maxwell equations. If the math doesn't work, why does it so routinely make correct predictions in, to begin, rudimentary genomics and laboratoy adaptation? Sal's position relies upon completely ignoring these very obvious things, and they demonstrate quite clearly that he's utterly wrong. Kimura, for instance, doesn't think his work contradicts natural selection at all. Neither does Dawkins, if we really want to get into it. Sal seems to have decided that natural selection doesn't do anything by fiat without argumentation, which is dishonest and a misrepresentation of the neutral theory.

I'll await eagerly Sal's retraction of, at least, his mischaracterization of Kimura's work. He is, after all, an upstanding kind of guy who admits he's wrong when he's wrong, right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,15:45   

On this thread, Sal shows his true colors. Writing about Berg's Nomogenesis, Sal notes that Berg's book had a "foreword by Nobel Laureate Theodosius Dobzhansky". In the comments, fellow whacko JAD actually has the smarts to question this assertion, "Are you sure Dobzhansky was a Nobel Laureate?". Sal corrects himself, in typical Sal fashion (when you are caught in a mistake, tell another whopper).      
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By golly, I was wrong! He was not a Nobel Laureate. He did receive a nomination.

But according to the official Nobel website, nobody knows who the nominees are until many years later.    
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Nomination to the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine is by invitation only. The Nobel Committee sends confidential forms to persons who are competent and qualified to nominate candidates for the Nobel Prize in Pysiology or Medicine. The names of the nominees and other information about the nominations cannot be revealed until 50 years later.

More damningly, a search of the database for nominations (available from a link on that page), using the search term "Dobzhansky", yields this    
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There are no matches.

So one can conclude a number of things from this exchange.

1) JAD, despite his advancing age and obvious insanity, has more on the ball than Sal.

2) Sal can't be bothered to check easily-ascertainable facts before posting.

3) When cornered, Sal reverts quickly to the standard creationist ploy, pulling another argument out of his ass.

There could be other conclusions as well; feel free to add your own..

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,17:58   

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for the purpose of converting our youth to godless atheism


Is there some other kind?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,18:44   

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for the purpose of converting our youth to godless atheism


Is there some other kind?

Sure. To the creationists, Theistic Evolution = Theistic Atheism.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2008,20:30   

When a hapless victim of Naegleria fowleri swims in warm water, the amoeba enters the nose, worms its way into the brain, and causes an astonishing amount of damage. This has apparently happened to Salvador Cordova.

Sal quotes "Darwinist" Gary Yourofsky:
       
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Every woman ensconced in fur should endure a rape so vicious that it scars them forever

Darwinist Gary Yourofsky

This is DarLogic at its finest. Consider that lions subject their prey to cruel death. Same with wolves and their prey, etc. Is Gary out there punishing lions and wolves for being carnivores? No. Instead, this Darwinist is relishing the idea that women be raped and tortured simply because they wear an animal fur.

Yourofsky appears to be a whackjob who has been committing crimes on behalf of "animal rights" for years. But does he ground his views in "Darwinism?" Yourofsky has a website, with a FAQ, one of which addresses "Evolution and Creation":
       
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In the evolutionary theory, humans were vegan long before we turned to an unnatural diet of dead animals. Before tools, weapons and fire there was no meat-eating. We were vegan scavengers and gatherers long before we tried hunting and gathering. When the Ice Age hit and most vegetation was wiped out, humans turned to a survival scenario of eating meat. When the Ice Age ended, we should have reverted back to the vegan diet that kept us connected to and part of the natural world, not fallaciously on top of it.

In the creation theory, humans were vegan long before we turned to a sinful diet of dead animals. The religions of Buddhists, Hindus, 7th Day Adventists, Jains and Rastafarians unambiguously admonish followers to harm no animal, and to treat the body as a temple by ingesting healthy, non-animal based foods. Meat is never permissible.

If you are a follower of Judaism, Christianity or Islam, look no further than the Garden of Eden. It was a vegan haven, and Adam and Eve were the first vegetarians on this planet. Genesis 1:29, God's first dietary law, states, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." Isaiah 11:7, God's last dietary law, states, "The wolf will live with the lamb, the cow will feed with the bear, the lion will eat straw like the ox, and a little child will lead them. And neither will harm nor destroy on My Holy Mountain." The beginning and the end are vegan because veganism causes no bloodshed and cruelty. Many other scriptures like Hosea 2:18 and Ecclesiastes 3:19 also profess God's love for animals.

Since animal products cause almost all of our diseases, and the human body is 100 percent herbivorous, rationalizing God's approval of this deadly fare doesn't make sense. It's awfully convenient that most people believe God, Jesus and Mohammad embrace the misery, murder and consumption of animals. Yet, those same people also believe God, Jesus and Mohammad are all-compassionate, all-loving and all-merciful, not bloodthirsty, murderous devils. These scenarios contradict each other, so it can't be both ways. Causing misery to animals and supporting their murder is causing misery to God, Jesus and Mohammad and murdering Their souls.

The THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment should make everyone vegan anyway. Since each vegan spares the lives thousands of animals every year, honoring this commandment can only bring one closer to God....

Of the 114 chapters in the Qu'ran, 113 begin with the phrase "In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful." All Muslims accept that showing compassion and charity is a service to Allah. Yet, to kill animals and eat their flesh is anything but compassionate and charitable. The Holy Prophet Muhammad states, "Allah will not be affectionate to a man who is not affectionate to Allah's creatures. Whoever is kind to the creatures of Allah is kind to himself. A good deed done to an animal is as good as doing good to a human being while an act of cruelty to an animal is as bad as an act of cruelty to a human being."

Animals are the most innocent beings on this planet and need the most protection. When we exclude animals from God's circle of compassion, we exclude God from our lives. God demands mercy, compassion and meekness. After all, the meek shall inherit the earth, and the meek are the animals and those who walk humbly with them.

Apparently, Yourofsky's ideology is omnivorous, as he has recruited his own versions of Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism and Rastafarian belief (oddly, he fails to mention his natural allies, the Pastafarians), as well as a cartoon version of "the evolutionary theory" to his cause. Most of his rationale is grounded in religious views, the majority of those selective readings of Abrahamic religions.

Sal's characterization of Yourofsky's statement vis rape as that of a "Darwinist," once again, reflects inaccuracy that actually attains a sort of reverse (or is it perverse?) precision. He got it almost exactly wrong.

Sal as much as admitted that what he is saying makes no sense:  
       
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His cries for justice do not even accord with his Darwinist beliefs where survival of the fittest is the only real law. Such is Darwinist twisted logic and ethics.

In short, there is no evidence that Yourofsky grounds his notions in an understanding of evolutionary theory - most of his rationales are religious in nature - and indeed even Sal recognizes that a call for radical veganism isn't consistent with our omnivorous evolutionary heritage. So Darwinism isn't even implicit in Yourofsky's views. Nor are Yourofsky's in Darwinism.

But none of this stops Sal from claiming that a "Darwinist" has advocated the rape of women who wear furs. Then he rationalizes his flatass disconnect by asserting that Darwinian logic is flawed. Astonishing, really.

Savadore: Your logic is no less twisted than Yourofsky's. What does that say about you?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,00:55   

Sal is going off the rails even for Sal. I wonder if it is because he is finding his studies a little tougher than expected. Uni is different in the US compared to Australia, but I assume that until now he would have survived by just using the tools he was told to use. But going from

"Use a Fourier Transform to solve this equation" in lower grades

to

"Why would you use Fourier to solve this problem?" in higher grades would be a problem to somebody like Sal who has no idea about the underlying philosophy of Fourier transforms.

I have found some of the same kinds of problems with his comments on genetic computer programs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,03:07   

Sal follows up his previous post proving God's existence and greatness. He, ah, makes all the same arguments all over again.

Badly-argued theodicy built on top of bad physics does not impress me. Repeating it does not make it better.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,08:03   

So few people go to Young Cosmos - mostly us - that nobody's probably told Salvador his discussion board has been down for days.

http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,09:24   

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So few people go to Young Cosmos - mostly us - that nobody's probably told Salvador his discussion board has been down for days.

http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/

He has a discussion board?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,09:30   

it is a shame that Sal has effectively eliminated all commenters except Ftk and JAD, but you have to admit, that trio can top the charts most days. In the latest post and comment thread, Sal and JAD blather at each other (politely), and Sal refuses to bite at JAD's blasphemous bait. Quoting Einstein, JAD notes  
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“The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and science lies in the concept of a personal God.”

Given Sal's oft-recounted history, that had to sting.

But Sal blows it off by trying to get JAD back onto Sal's favorite topic, equations that prove the existence of God. Top tard quote here  
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As an mental illustration, imagine God as if He were acting like a magnet, drawing all events toward His ultimate purpose. That is how Tipler and Barrow describe the Ultimate Observer, the Omega Point, the Intelligent Designer, God.

When Sal gets his martyr position at the Dishonesty Institute, he may regret that last word...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,09:39   

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So few people go to Young Cosmos - mostly us - that nobody's probably told Salvador his discussion board has been down for days.

http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/

He has a discussion board?

yes, but basically nobody visits it. You know how ours has that stuff like

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>stevestory >Lou FCD >Albatrossity2 >mitschlag >PTET >Zachriel >Tracy P. Hamilton >dhogaza >Mr_Christopher >olegt


theirs always reads like

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I was going over there to laugh at their pathetic stats, but I couldn't even do that, because the site is broken.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,09:58   

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So few people go to Young Cosmos - mostly us - that nobody's probably told Salvador his discussion board has been down for days.

http://youngcosmos.com/discuss/

DaveTard should get right on that.  Unless he's too busy trying to save his very good friend Michael Dell from this:

Dell needs you, DaveTard!
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,21:28   

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In the evolutionary theory, humans were vegan long before we turned to an unnatural diet of dead animals. Before tools, weapons and fire there was no meat-eating.


Methinks that claim should be reviewd by an expert in nutrition. Unless I've misunderstood what I've read on that subject, without meat humans need either a carefully planned diet (that most likely involves some non-local food items), or else manufactured supplements to fill in for what they don't get in the diet (and for kids the planning and/or supplements would be even more critical than for adults). I don't see either of those as being possible prior to modern technology.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,21:47   

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In the evolutionary theory, humans were vegan long before we turned to an unnatural diet of dead animals. Before tools, weapons and fire there was no meat-eating.


Methinks that claim should be reviewd by an expert in nutrition. Unless I've misunderstood what I've read on that subject, without meat humans need either a carefully planned diet (that most likely involves some non-local food items), or else manufactured supplements to fill in for what they don't get in the diet (and for kids the planning and/or supplements would be even more critical than for adults). I don't see either of those as being possible prior to modern technology.

Henry

Don't primates eat a lot of insects, insect grubs, larvae, and other small critters, as well as bird eggs?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,22:51   

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Don't primates eat a lot of insects, insect grubs, larvae, and other small critters, as well as bird eggs?


So I've heard, depending on which primates you mean. Chimpanzees certainly do that; they even make tools (out of branches) to collect insects and/or grubs from their hiding places.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2008,23:08   

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Don't primates eat a lot of insects, insect grubs, larvae, and other small critters, as well as bird eggs?


As a primate I'll vouch for this statement.

You've really missed something if you haven't had my insect, grub, larvae and other small critters omelette.  Heavenly, it is.

I think the evolutionary order was fire, omelette, salsa, religion.

Then came the tortilla and proof of religion.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,06:46   

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Don't primates eat a lot of insects, insect grubs, larvae, and other small critters, as well as bird eggs?

Lemurs will catch and eat birds. We've seen it in catta and fulvus. Cool, actually. Can't say for sure I've seen many lemurs eat insects, but tarsiers certainly do, as do Galago, Loris and other prosimians.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,06:47   

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Then came the tortilla and proof of religion.

Which you can visit for yourself in Lake Arthur, New Mexico.

Sadly,

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,06:48   

Oh, and Aye-aye, which fill the woodpecker niche in Madagascar. Definitely a must-see, if you ever get the opportunity. Eats grubs.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,06:49   

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Also, am I counting wrong or does Sal have three undergraduate degrees for some reason?
If the only panel to discuss your ideas consists of me, myself and I you need a degree for each of them.

Oh, the ID version of peer review

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's FUNNY!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,07:21   

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In the evolutionary theory, humans were vegan long before we turned to an unnatural diet of dead animals. Before tools, weapons and fire there was no meat-eating.


Methinks that claim should be reviewd by an expert in nutrition. Unless I've misunderstood what I've read on that subject, without meat humans need either a carefully planned diet (that most likely involves some non-local food items), or else manufactured supplements to fill in for what they don't get in the diet (and for kids the planning and/or supplements would be even more critical than for adults). I don't see either of those as being possible prior to modern technology.

Henry

Don't primates eat a lot of insects, insect grubs, larvae, and other small critters, as well as bird eggs?

The chimpanzees of the Taï Forest in Côte d’Ivoire hunt red colobus monkeys in coordinated groups, playing roles such “driver,” “blocker,” “chaser,” and “ambusher” that can require 20 or more years of experience to master. Meat is distributed to all participants in the hunt, with shares reflecting the importance and difficulty of each role.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,08:53   

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... in coordinated groups, playing roles such “driver,” “blocker,” “chaser,” and “ambusher” that can require 20 or more years of experience to master. Meat is distributed to all participants in the hunt, with shares reflecting the importance and difficulty of each role.

I believe that another post has the Ruggers Thread...

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2008,09:16   

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On this thread, Sal shows his true colors. Writing about Berg's Nomogenesis, Sal notes that Berg's book had a "foreword by Nobel Laureate Theodosius Dobzhansky". In the comments, fellow whacko JAD actually has the smarts to question this assertion, "Are you sure Dobzhansky was a Nobel Laureate?". Sal corrects himself, in typical Sal fashion (when you are caught in a mistake, tell another whopper).        
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By golly, I was wrong! He was not a Nobel Laureate. He did receive a nomination.

But according to the official Nobel website, nobody knows who the nominees are until many years later.      
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Nomination to the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine is by invitation only. The Nobel Committee sends confidential forms to persons who are competent and qualified to nominate candidates for the Nobel Prize in Pysiology or Medicine. The names of the nominees and other information about the nominations cannot be revealed until 50 years later.

More damningly, a search of the database for nominations (available from a link on that page), using the search term "Dobzhansky", yields this      
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There are no matches.

Add to that the beginning of Sal's post:

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I wish to thank Professor Davison for introducing me to Nomogenesis by Leo Berg.


Professor Davison, anyone we know?


- pwe

  
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