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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2014,03:45   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 02 2014,08:30)
 
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Please note that the DI has updated its webpages. In the course of doing so they have blown up their list of what they claim to be "Peer-Reviewed Articles Supporting Intelligent Design" to a total of 81 pages, no less!
It's not decided yet whether they will print the next edition in pocket bible size or if they will double the font size and the line spacing.

That's a slick new website! It really makes me want to attend their next conference, so I can pay money to go to Idaho and listen to Casey Luskin discuss origins science!

...said no one ever in history! Seriously, come september 20th I'm gonna want to see some crowd photos.

According to their list 16 of the articles were originally published in Bio-Complexity:  
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1. Winston Ewert, “Complexity in Computer Simulations,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2014 (1) (2014).
2. Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Robert J. Marks II, “Active Information in Metabiology,”  BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2013 (4) (2013)
3. Michael J. Denton, “The Types: A Persistent Structuralist Challenge to Darwinian Pan- Selectionism,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2013 (3) (2013)
4. Granville Sewell, “Entropy and Evolution,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2013 (2) (2013)
5. Michael J. Denton, “The Place of Life and Man in Nature: Defending the Anthropocentric Thesis,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2013 (1) (2013).
6. Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Ann K. Gauger, Robert J. Marks II, “Time and Information in Evolution,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2012 (4) (2012)
7. Matti Leisola, Ossi Pastinen, and Douglas D. Axe, “Lignin--Designed Randomness,” BIO- Complexity, Vol. 2012 (3) (2012)
8. Fernando Castro-Chavez, “A Tetrahedral Representation of the Genetic Code Emphasizing Aspects of Symmetry,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2012 (2) (2012)
9. Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, and Robert J. Marks II, “Climbing the Steiner Tree— Sources of Active Information in a Genetic Algorithm for Solving the Euclidean Steiner Tree Problem,” BIO-­ Complexity, Vol. 2012 (1) (2012)
10. Douglas D. Axe, Philip Lu, and Stephanie Flatau, “A Stylus-Generated Artificial Genome with Analogy to Minimal Bacterial Genomes,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2011(3) (2011)
11. Stephen C. Meyer and Paul A. Nelson, “Can the Origin of the Genetic Code Be Explained by Direct RNA Templating?,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2011(2) (2011)
12. Ann K. Gauger and Douglas D. Axe, “The Evolutionary Accessibility of New Enzyme Functions: A Case Study from the Biotin Pathway,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2011(1) (2011)
13. Ann K. Gauger, Stephanie Ebnet, Pamela F. Fahey, and Ralph Seelke, “Reductive Evolution Can Prevent Populations from Taking Simple Adaptive Paths to High Fitness,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010 (2) (2010)
14. Douglas D. Axe, “The Limits of Complex Adaptation: An Analysis Based on a Simple Model of Structured Bacterial Populations,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010(4):1 (2010)
15. George Montañez, Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, and Robert J. Marks II, “A Vivisection of the ev Computer Organism: Identifying Sources of Active Information,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010(3) (2010)
16. Douglas D. Axe, “The Case Against a Darwinian Origin of Protein Folds,” BIO-Complexity, Vol. 2010 (1) (2010)
Unsurprisingly, without the two 2014 papers printed in bold below which will likely be added to the list this is the complete content of the journal!  
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2014
1. Systems Biology as a Research Program for Intelligent Design (David Snoke)
2. Membrane Patterns Carry Ontogenetic Information That Is Specified Independently of DNA (Jonathan Wells)
3. Digital Irreducible Complexity: A Survey of Irreducible Complexity in Computer Simulations  (Winston Ewert)

2013
4. Active Information in Metabiology  (Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Robert J. Marks II)
5. The Types: A Persistent Structuralist Challenge to Darwinian Pan-Selectionism (Michael J. Denton
6. The Place of Life and Man in Nature: Defending the Anthropocentric Thesis  (Michael J. Denton)
7. Entropy and Evolution (Granville Sewell)

2012
8. A Tetrahedral Representation of the Genetic Code Emphasizing Aspects of Symmetry (Fernando Castro-Chavez)
9. Climbing the Steiner Tree--Sources of Active Information in a Genetic Algorithm for Solving the Euclidean Steiner Tree Problem (Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Robert J. Marks II)
10. Lignin--Designed Randomness (Matti Leisola, Ossi Pastinen, Douglas D. Axe)
11. Time and Information in Evolution (Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Ann K. Gauger, Robert J. Marks II)

2011
12. A Stylus-Generated Artificial Genome with Analogy to Minimal Bacterial Genomes (Douglas D. Axe, Philip Lu, Stephanie Flatau)
13. The Evolutionary Accessibility of New Enzymes Functions: A Case Study from the Biotin Pathway (Ann K. Gauger, Douglas D. Axe)
14. Can the Origin of the Genetic Code Be Explained by Direct RNA Templating? (Stephen C. Meyer, Paul A. Nelson)

2010
15. The Limits of Complex Adaptation: An Analysis Based on a Simple Model of Structured Bacterial Populations (Douglas D. Axe)
16. A Vivisection of the ev Computer Organism: Identifying Sources of Active Information (George Montañez, Winston Ewert, William A. Dembski, Robert J. Marks II)
17. Reductive Evolution Can Prevent Populations from Taking Simple Adaptive Paths to High Fitness (Ann K. Gauger, Stephanie Ebnet, Pamela F. Fahey, Ralph Seelke)
18. The Case Against a Darwinian Origin of Protein Folds (Douglas D. Axe)


I wonder why they chose to shorten Winston Ewert's latest title from  
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Digital Irreducible Complexity: A Survey of Irreducible Complexity in Computer Simulations  
to  
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Complexity in Computer Simulations


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2014,05:36   

Quote (sparc @ Sep. 07 2014,03:45)
I wonder why they chose to shorten Winston Ewert's latest title from    
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Digital Irreducible Complexity: A Survey of Irreducible Complexity in Computer Simulations  
to    
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Complexity in Computer Simulations

The original title was obviously reducibly complex.

Perhaps if they dropped the "t" from "Ewert" they would be a little closer to an argument that would hold water.

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2014,09:26   

Quote (KevinB @ Sep. 08 2014,05:36)
The original title was obviously reducibly complex.

If so they should have shortened it to  
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Goddidit


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2014,13:36   

Oops.

http://phys.org/news....tml#jCp

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2014,13:48   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2014,12:36)
Oops.

http://phys.org/news.......tml#jCp

Yeah, but did they have flagella?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2014,19:38   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 25 2014,13:48)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 25 2014,12:36)
Oops.

http://phys.org/news.......tml#jCp

Yeah, but did they have flagella?

Of course, Jeebus would cry if they couldn't flagellate themselves  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,00:01   

Casey announces what may turn into a major sink for BS already re-warmed several times:          
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A new quarterly journal, Inference: International Review of Science, turns a skeptical eye on the culture and practice of science.

What should one think of a "journal" that
- anonymously registered web domain
- unnamed editors (not even if you click the editor link on the homepage which leads you to the Introduction which states:          
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The editors of Inference would prefer to remain anonymous.

- doesn't say anything about peer-review
- provides some kind of FAQ page named Alles klar? which states the following to clarify their concept
         
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Stupid Monkeys

From Sue Blackmore, author of The Meme Machine:
         
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I persevered, trying to put over the idea that evolution is inevitable—if you have information that is copied with variation and selection then you must get (as Dan Dennett p. 50 puts it) “Design out of chaos without the aid of mind.”

We note that it also works to get chaos out of design:
         
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I pesrsevered, trcying to vvput over the idea that evolution is inevitable—if you have ifosformation thavt is copied with variation and selection then you must get (as Drofan Dennett p. 50 puts it) ‘Dcs2esign out of chaos withdi2out the aid of midsnd’.

Almost there:
         
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uuI pesrse333veresdd, trcying ssto vvput ovevvxr 24the idcwlea t§hat evolution is inevitable yu66& !if ydeeou have ifosformation thavt is zxzcdopied wqeith vaddddriation btand ssi2election tak1hen ysu m5555ust tgeet L) gis drofan xxx rp!2222 50 rtputsitR *dDcs2esi$$ $@$t $! 593trrds 53dthdi249ee 404&&((&^^^ dof dsnd’.

Got it in two tries. It was inevitable.

- asks for submissions in the following fields (half of which fit for creationists (bolded)) :        
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Topics

   Algorithms in evolutionary theory
   Big Data
   The Church-Turing thesis
   Coalescent theory
   Consistency arguments in population genetics
   The decline in homicide rates
   Density functional theory
   The difference between plants and animals
   Effective field theories
   Electrons and the laws of physics
   Entanglement and realism
   Entropy and the direction of time
   The foundations of statistics
   Free parameters in ecology
   Free parameters in the Standard Model
   Freudian analysis in the twenty-first century
   Gauge theories
   Ghost fields
   Gödel’s ontological proof
   Highly divergent convergent series
   The holographic principle
   Homology in the animal kingdom
   Hypercomputation
   Inconsistency in arithmetic
   Mathematical physics and physical mathematics
   The minimalist program in linguistics
   Molecular clocks
   Montague grammars
   New axioms for set theory
   Optimality in biology
   Origins of behavior
   The origin of inertia
   The physically infinite
   Planet formation
   Pre-Big Bang cosmology
   The Price equation in economics and evolutionary theory
   The principle of mediocrity
   Quantum computing
   Sequence conservation in biology
   Supersymmetry
   Tarski’s undefinability theorem
   The renormalization group
   Turbulence in classical physics

- opens issue 1 with a piece by Michael Denton

(edited to add and correct links)

Edited by sparc on Oct. 24 2014,13:56

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,14:43   

Shall we hold our breath waiting for Mike's opinion on the age of the earth?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,15:20   

Inference will be every bit the success PCID* was. I'd link, but the link to PCID no longer works.

*For newbies, PCID was an ID 'science journal' which struggled to put out a few issues largely of book reviews and such, which was abandoned the moment Kitzmiller v Dover was decided.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,15:57   

From her LinkedIn page Google knows only person connected to Inference:
   
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Alessia Weil | LinkedIn
www.linkedin.com/pub/alessia-weil/0/2a1/820 -

Paris Area, France - ‎Associate & Acquisitions Editor at Inference: the International Review of Science
View Alessia Weil's professional profile on LinkedIn. LinkedIn is the ... Associate & Acquisitions Editor at Inference: the International Review of Science. Location ...
I don't want to join LinkedIn to learn more. From other sources we learn that beside other titles she translated Behe's "Darwin's black box" into French.
 
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- Réinventer le Sacré : une nouvelle vision de la Science, de la Raison et de la Religion - Stuart A. Kauffman (Reinventing the Sacred : A new View of Science, Reason and Religion)
- Le temps de l'esprit - Benjamin Libet (Mind Time)
- Explorer la réalité - John Polkinghorne (Exploring Reality)
- En quête de liberté - Philip Clayton (In quest of Freedom)
- Science et religion : les 10 questions essentielles - Keith Ward (The big questions in Science and Religion)
- De la génétique à Dieu : la confession de foi d'un des plus grands scientifiques - Francis S. Collins (The language of God : a scientist presents evidence for belief)
- La boîte noire de Darwin - L'intelligent Design - Michael J. Behe (Darwin's black box)
- Réconcilier l'Islam et la science moderne - L'esprit d'Averroès - Nidhal Guessoum (Science and Islam)
(all emphasis mine)

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,14:03   

Reading Inference Jeffrey Shallit sees Berlinskis:
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A sharp-eyed commenter on a private mailing list points out, however, that the journal's twitter followers include, in addition to a few gullible science journalists, two different Berlinskis: Mischa and the eminently silly Claire Berlinski.

Hmmm. What would possess two Berlinskis to follow an obscure and mysterious "science" journal with intelligent design creationist and global warming denialist leanings?

Read some of the pages and you'll come to the same conclusion I did. That ol' poseur David Berlinski is surely involved somehow. All the signs are there: the Francophilia (why else would the grotesque caricatures be featured?), the pretension, the supercilious turns, the obsession with criticizing evolution, the solicitation for articles on mathematics topics dear to David, and the use of the word "irrefragable"; all are Berlinski hallmarks.

In one of the comments Nick Matzke points out that one of the authors of the current volume is a former co-author of Berlinski.

(all emphasis mine)

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,14:10   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 24 2014,15:03)
Reading Inference Jeffrey Shallit sees Berlinskis:  
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A sharp-eyed commenter on a private mailing list points out, however, that the journal's twitter followers include, in addition to a few gullible science journalists, two different Berlinskis: Mischa and the eminently silly Claire Berlinski.

Hmmm. What would possess two Berlinskis to follow an obscure and mysterious "science" journal with intelligent design creationist and global warming denialist leanings?

Read some of the pages and you'll come to the same conclusion I did. That ol' poseur David Berlinski is surely involved somehow. All the signs are there: the Francophilia (why else would the grotesque caricatures be featured?), the pretension, the supercilious turns, the obsession with criticizing evolution, the solicitation for articles on mathematics topics dear to David, and the use of the word "irrefragable"; all are Berlinski hallmarks.

In one of the comments Nick Matzke points out that one of the authors of the current volume is a former co-author of Berlinski.

(all emphasis mine)

I made it a few pages into a berlinski book years ago, before his snide assholeism made me stop.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,16:12   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 24 2014,14:03)
Reading Inference Jeffrey Shallit sees Berlinskis:  
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A sharp-eyed commenter on a private mailing list points out, however, that the journal's twitter followers include, in addition to a few gullible science journalists, two different Berlinskis: Mischa and the eminently silly Claire Berlinski.

Hmmm. What would possess two Berlinskis to follow an obscure and mysterious "science" journal with intelligent design creationist and global warming denialist leanings?

Read some of the pages and you'll come to the same conclusion I did. That ol' poseur David Berlinski is surely involved somehow. All the signs are there: the Francophilia (why else would the grotesque caricatures be featured?), the pretension, the supercilious turns, the obsession with criticizing evolution, the solicitation for articles on mathematics topics dear to David, and the use of the word "irrefragable"; all are Berlinski hallmarks.

In one of the comments Nick Matzke points out that one of the authors of the current volume is a former co-author of Berlinski.

(all emphasis mine)

Did Shallit just discover the Desinger?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,16:53   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 24 2014,16:12)
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 24 2014,14:03)
Reading Inference Jeffrey Shallit sees Berlinskis:  
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A sharp-eyed commenter on a private mailing list points out, however, that the journal's twitter followers include, in addition to a few gullible science journalists, two different Berlinskis: Mischa and the eminently silly Claire Berlinski.

Hmmm. What would possess two Berlinskis to follow an obscure and mysterious "science" journal with intelligent design creationist and global warming denialist leanings?

Read some of the pages and you'll come to the same conclusion I did. That ol' poseur David Berlinski is surely involved somehow. All the signs are there: the Francophilia (why else would the grotesque caricatures be featured?), the pretension, the supercilious turns, the obsession with criticizing evolution, the solicitation for articles on mathematics topics dear to David, and the use of the word "irrefragable"; all are Berlinski hallmarks.

In one of the comments Nick Matzke points out that one of the authors of the current volume is a former co-author of Berlinski.

(all emphasis mine)

Did Shallit just discover the Desinger?

I agree that Berlinski would be sufficient cause to stop singing for most people.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,17:21   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 24 2014,16:53)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 24 2014,16:12)
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 24 2014,14:03)
Reading Inference Jeffrey Shallit sees Berlinskis:    
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A sharp-eyed commenter on a private mailing list points out, however, that the journal's twitter followers include, in addition to a few gullible science journalists, two different Berlinskis: Mischa and the eminently silly Claire Berlinski.

Hmmm. What would possess two Berlinskis to follow an obscure and mysterious "science" journal with intelligent design creationist and global warming denialist leanings?

Read some of the pages and you'll come to the same conclusion I did. That ol' poseur David Berlinski is surely involved somehow. All the signs are there: the Francophilia (why else would the grotesque caricatures be featured?), the pretension, the supercilious turns, the obsession with criticizing evolution, the solicitation for articles on mathematics topics dear to David, and the use of the word "irrefragable"; all are Berlinski hallmarks.

In one of the comments Nick Matzke points out that one of the authors of the current volume is a former co-author of Berlinski.

(all emphasis mine)

Did Shallit just discover the Desinger?

I agree that Berlinski would be sufficient cause to stop singing for most people.

Lol, oops.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,09:37   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 25 2014,01:21)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 24 2014,16:53)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 24 2014,16:12)
 
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 24 2014,14:03)
Reading Inference Jeffrey Shallit sees Berlinskis:    
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A sharp-eyed commenter on a private mailing list points out, however, that the journal's twitter followers include, in addition to a few gullible science journalists, two different Berlinskis: Mischa and the eminently silly Claire Berlinski.

Hmmm. What would possess two Berlinskis to follow an obscure and mysterious "science" journal with intelligent design creationist and global warming denialist leanings?

Read some of the pages and you'll come to the same conclusion I did. That ol' poseur David Berlinski is surely involved somehow. All the signs are there: the Francophilia (why else would the grotesque caricatures be featured?), the pretension, the supercilious turns, the obsession with criticizing evolution, the solicitation for articles on mathematics topics dear to David, and the use of the word "irrefragable"; all are Berlinski hallmarks.

In one of the comments Nick Matzke points out that one of the authors of the current volume is a former co-author of Berlinski.

(all emphasis mine)

Did Shallit just discover the Desinger?

I agree that Berlinski would be sufficient cause to stop singing for most people.

Lol, oops.

OMG two of my alter egos in one week? Teh stars are aligned. David where art thou?

Right here David. Whereist thou? Over here my love.
Une gross bissuo tu Mon. So why the long face? Are you calling me a horse? Stop this nonsense at once please I didn't come all this way to interview me just to be insulted. Who are you calling an arsehole arsolse? You you arsehole.

DB^2 was great value I miss him.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,12:57   

From Acronym Finder:
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2014,07:21   

Nice to know the Disco Institute are keeping on top of things. In their blog post about Lönnig's latest book they mention "Matti Leisola, professor of bioprocess engineering at the University of Helsinki". Which surprised me, as he had always been at the TKK (="Helsinki University of Technology", which was not even in Helsinki), until it merged with some other institutes to become the Aalto University. Poking around, I can't find any evidence that he's at the University of Helsinki, and according to ResearchGate he's now emeritus professor, i.e. he's retired.

Not a biggie, really, but amusing that the DI doesn't even know where the editor in chief of their flagship journal worked.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 01 2014,15:22   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 01 2014,07:21)
Nice to know the Disco Institute are keeping on top of things. In their blog post about Lönnig's latest book they mention "Matti Leisola, professor of bioprocess engineering at the University of Helsinki". Which surprised me, as he had always been at the TKK (="Helsinki University of Technology", which was not even in Helsinki), until it merged with some other institutes to become the Aalto University. Poking around, I can't find any evidence that he's at the University of Helsinki, and according to ResearchGate he's now emeritus professor, i.e. he's retired.

Not a biggie, really, but amusing that the DI doesn't even know where the editor in chief of their flagship journal worked.

They don't say that Loennig is not working at the MPI in Cologne anymore. According to the CV on his web pages he rtired in April 2008 but continued some work as a guest until 2010.
His current dog publication is available from MV-Wissenschaft who offer print-on demand. It's likely that he choose this way of publishing because it looks as if his books are published by a respective publishers. In addition, he can delegate The technicalities and distribution to the publisher and the book is available at Amazon. Compared to the times when he published his books at "Naturwissenschaftlicher Verlag Köln" which shared Loennig's private adress in Cologne.
BTW, his new "book" was freely available on his web pages and can still be downloade under the following link:

http://www.weloennig.de/Hundera....d97.pdf

The dog pictures are nice. The formationg appears Mullings'esque.

Edited by sparc on Nov. 01 2014,15:38

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,14:15   

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ENV has reviewed Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig's book Our Domestic Dog: A Shrew in Wolf's Clothing?, which shows in detail that dogs have been sculpted by human beings over the centuries not by adding function but by taking it away.
[...]
The only regrettable thing about Lönnig's book is that it's currently available only in German. That's why the interview with Casey, estimably thorough, lucid, and informative, is so useful. It almost substitutes for reading the book
(all emphasis mine)

I am just wondering who at UD can comprehend a German text when even for a native German speaker Loennig's writing is hardly readable.
link

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,14:45   

Casey's track record is such that everyone should trust him. He is a lawyer, after all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,15:32   

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Casey's track record .....

Does it include running into the caboose of a stalled freight train in the vicinity of Canton, Miss?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,16:09   

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ENV has reviewed Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig's book Our Domestic Dog: A Shrew in Wolf's Clothing?, which shows in detail that dogs have been sculpted by human beings over the centuries not by adding function but by taking it away.
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The only regrettable thing about Lönnig's book is that it's currently available only in German. That's why the interview with Casey, estimably thorough, lucid, and informative, is so useful. It almost substitutes for reading the book
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I am just wondering who at UD can comprehend a German text when even for a native German speaker Loennig's writing is hardly readable.
link

Perhaps Google Translate improves it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2014,22:35   

Here's what Loennig writes straight-faced about DI's own  
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[...] Casey Luskin, a geologist and lawyer [...] This rare combination of subjects may be reminiscent of Charles Lyell, the main founder of modern actualistic geology.

(Original: [...] Casey Luskin, ein Geologe und Jurist [...] Die seltene Fächerkombination erinnert vielleicht an Charles Lyell, dem Hauptbegründer der modernen aktualistischen Geologie.)

(page 174 of "Unser Haushund:Eine Spitzmaus im Wolfspelz?" last update May 11, 2014)

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2014,00:51   

Let it not be said that the DI have a Theocratic agenda...

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David Klinghoffer is a Senior Fellow at Discovery Institute in Seattle and a contributor to Evolution News & Views. He is the author most recently of How Would God Vote?: Why the Bible Commands You to Be a Conservative (Random House, 2008). His previous books are Why the Jews Rejected Jesus: The Turning Point in Western History (Doubleday, 2005), The Discovery of God: Abraham and the Birth of Monotheism (Doubleday, 2003) and the spiritual memoir The Lord Will Gather Me In (Free Press/Simon & Schuster, 1998), a National Jewish Book Award finalist. His forthcoming book is Shattered Tablets: What the Ten Commandments Reveal about American Culture and Its Discontents (Doubleday, 2006). A former literary editor of National Review magazine, Klinghoffer has written articles and reviews for the Los Angeles Times, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Seattle Times, Commentary, and other publications. He lives on Mercer Island, Washington with his wife and children.


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2014,21:22   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 04 2014,22:51)
Let it not be said that the DI have a Theocratic agenda...

To paraphrase JoeG, that agenda discussion is for AFTER the Theory of Intelligent Design leads us all to acknowledge the Fingerprints of the Designer (Fingerprints only, cuz science). THEN they can discuss how the world can be run based on the Principles of Love thy God, Love thy neighbor, enticing Jesus to Return to Earth, Prophecy Fulfillment, Ultimate Judgment, etc etc as the Designer (whichever Deity that might be, wink wink nudge nudge) intended (probably, though the communication channel is a little noisy). So, until then, ix-nay on the eocratic-thay genda-ay.

Forward the Wedge! Unveil the Fingerprints!

edit: corriction to mispallings

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 26 2014,23:19   

I don't quite see much of an argument here but maybe I overlooked something?
Behe at DI EN&V

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 27 2014,04:18   

Quote (Quack @ Nov. 26 2014,23:19)
I don't quite see much of an argument here but maybe I overlooked something?
Behe at DI EN&V

Strangely enough, Behe interprets the  
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phylogenetic distribution
a      
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conserved structural core
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all flagella had the same necessary components in the same relative spatial relationships
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strongly conserved core
as signs of designs. Shouldn't he rather base his arguments on things that are unique to single species and better not dismiss those      
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novel and divergent structures
 which could serve as an argument for special creation? Of course it may be difficult to claim irreducible complexity for structures displaying      
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somewhat altered shapes and unidentified regions of photographic density
If he had to rely on an out of focus photgraph of a mouse trap he might have chosen something else to describe his ideas about irreducibility.
It's just the usual hammer and nail reasoning.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 04 2015,12:55   

Casey the Gerbil has refreshed Jon Wells again. I'll have a rebuttal up soon.

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015....01.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,23:00   

The IDiots must have really given up Dembski's ID charade when they announce a Cosmos + Creator conference.

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