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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2019,13:49    Quote 664 Hugh KennethSeptember 21, 2019 at 8:48 am Jawa@659, yes, I do understand your point, and I admit using an absurd example to emphasize my point. But even comparing the sites you did is not exactly comparing apples and apples either. UD is a news aggregator site where someone is payed to post links to several articles every day. From what I have seen, these generally don’t trigger a lot of comments, but they do often lead to related OPs that do. To the best of my knowledge, these other sites limit themselves to relatively infrequent OPs. I would also be interested in what the traffic numbers mean. Are they simply hits, are they unique hits, are they filtered by duration on site? The reason I ask is two-fold. First, I compared the bounce rate of UD against a couple of the others on your list and UD’s bounce rate is much higher, suggesting lower average meaningful engagement by those that visit the sight. Second, there are a relatively few unique commenters who post comments many times every day. People like BA77, KF, Gpucio and ET. They alone are probably responsible for a not inconsequential fraction of UD traffic. linky

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2019,14:26    Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 20 2019,19:03) Pianka! Good Dog, she's brought up the Eric Pianka affair!  And she didn't even have to!  News is positively the twentieth third biggest IDiot in ID!  At least!  Maybe even bigger, but there's so much competition. P.S.  Sorry for all the exclamation points.  But Pianka! I had totally forgotten the "Pianka atrocity." -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2019,15:41    If I were on my laptop I'd post some choice bits but Hazel is kicking ass and taking names over there. News called some new find a perfect case for ID and hazel asked for the bits of FIASCO or whatever ID bits and there's a buncha argle-bargle and excuse-making and general failure in response.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2019,15:58    I notice too Joke Gallien is back at UD posting his same climate change denial stupidity.    Guess he got tired of getting his ass kicked here on basic physics, not to mention his "ghosts are real!" fiasco.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2019,16:00    Once again, I'm left wondering how much Dembski took them for.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2019,18:05    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2019,16:00) Once again, I'm left wondering how much Dembski took them for. A lot more than he got for "Overwhelming Evidence", I'll bet.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2019,18:07    This, in response to our buddy Joke. Quote Hugh Kenneth ”The only reason to be concerned about CO2 is if it was a pollutant.” So we shouldn’t be concerned about mercury? Mercury levels in tuna are due to natural sources. But feel free to eat all of the tuna you would like. Although, given the nature of many of your comments, it wouldn’t surprise me if tuna made up the majority of your diet. A diet of tuna may explain Joke.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2019,19:37    Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 22 2019,19:05) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2019,16:00) Once again, I'm left wondering how much Dembski took them for. A lot more than he got for "Overwhelming Evidence", I'll bet. Overwhelming Evidence! Ha I forgot about that! A social media site for ID youth! Wonder how it's doing... Quote Webpage not available The webpage at http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/....nce.com could not be loaded because: net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED Exactly what I expected :-)

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,01:55    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2019,16:00) Once again, I'm left wondering how much Dembski took them for. Since you mention Dembski: I wonder if and how CSI is used in his ghostdetect online ghostwriting detection tool and why he didn't discuss this in a recent interview. I suggest to test ghostdetect by comparing the following sentences from two allegedly unrelated books:   Quote The basic metabolic pathways (reaction chains) of nearly all organisms are the same. Is this because of descent from a common ancestor, or because only these pathways (and their variations) can sustain life? Evolutionists think the former is correct, cdesign proponentsists accept the latter view. Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc.   Quote The basic metabolic pathways (reaction chains) of nearly all organisms are the same. Is this because of descent from a common ancestor, or because only these pathways (and their variations) can sustain life? Evolutionists think the former is correct, cdesign proponentsists accept the latter view. Intelligent design means that various forms of life began abruptly through an intelligent agency, with their distinctive features already intact. Fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, wings, etc. In other news Dembski accuses Amazon of censoring books and videos. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,02:53    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 22 2019,15:41) If I were on my laptop I'd post some choice bits but Hazel is kicking ass and taking names over there. News called some new find a perfect case for ID and hazel asked for the bits of FIASCO or whatever ID bits and there's a buncha argle-bargle and excuse-making and general failure in response.  :D  :D  :D Ah, this thread, wherein the regulars are posed the problem of detecting possible design in stones. ET & UB argue a lack of bits. JAD and UB argue that the people asking the question are obfuscating and obstructing, kf throws the whole FIASC/O under the bus, and argues (in effect) archaeologists should ignore ID and do what they've been doing anyway, and hnorman42 gives a sensible response: not enough specification. Oh, and a few insults are thrown around. You can guess who by. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,04:33    Quote 8 ET September 22, 2019 at 6:26 am rhampton7: Quote I too would like to see an attempt at calculating the bits of information these possible tools show versus stones that do not show any evidence of being worked by Man. What part of FSCO/I says that it is applicable to objects not readily made into bits? Why aren’t tried and true design detection techniques enough for hypothetical artifacts? It should be possible to make bits from stones. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,07:13    Especially since Denyse said Quote One question mark is whether the stones are really tools. It’s hard to tell, especially because there are so few. A classic design inference problem. A classic design inference problem, yet ID's fake techniques don't work...

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,08:24    I went over and read some of that thread. ET said some remarkable things. First, “What part of FSCO/I says that it is applicable to objects not readily made into bits?  Why aren’t tried and true design detection techniques enough for hypothetical artifacts?”, thereby pointing out that the methods that people actually use don’t use FSCO/I (whatever that stands for). And I must admit the picture I had in my mind was smashing the stone into jillions of small pieces and finding out how many bits of stone we could get. :-) But then ET wrote, "You could figure out how the artifact was made and put it in a procedure. The minimal instructions it takes to make it. Then do the math using that procedure.” Well duh: if you could figure out how the artifact was made, you would obviously know it was designed already. And how could you figure out the minimal instructions for chipping a stone tool, and apply the math to that? Totally nonsensical. And last, kf and his ilk will like this one: “You show me someone using FCSO/I to determine if an object was intelligently designed and I will show you someone who doesn’t understand the process of design detection.”

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,08:57    Quote (Jkrebs @ Sep. 23 2019,06:24) I went over and read some of that thread. ET said some remarkable things. First, “What part of FSCO/I says that it is applicable to objects not readily made into bits?  Why aren’t tried and true design detection techniques enough for hypothetical artifacts?”, thereby pointing out that the methods that people actually use don’t use FSCO/I (whatever that stands for). And I must admit the picture I had in my mind was smashing the stone into jillions of small pieces and finding out how many bits of stone we could get. :-) But then ET wrote, "You could figure out how the artifact was made and put it in a procedure. The minimal instructions it takes to make it. Then do the math using that procedure.” Well duh: if you could figure out how the artifact was made, you would obviously know it was designed already. And how could you figure out the minimal instructions for chipping a stone tool, and apply the math to that? Totally nonsensical. And last, kf and his ilk will like this one: “You show me someone using FCSO/I to determine if an object was intelligently designed and I will show you someone who doesn’t understand the process of design detection.” I think this is similar to his cake recipe: count the letters/words in the instructions. Equally daft. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,09:04    Count words in the instructions? But instructions written for amateurs are likely to have more words in them than similar instructions written for experts.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,09:07    Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2019,09:57) I think this is similar to his cake recipe: count the letters/words in the instructions. Equally daft. languages have different information densities so if there's a cutoff, there could be a recipe that is intelligently designed if it's written in low-density Spanish, but not designed in high-density Mandarin.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,09:19    Does that mean one of those languages looks more designed than the other one? And if so, which one?

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,09:46    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,09:07) Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2019,09:57) I think this is similar to his cake recipe: count the letters/words in the instructions. Equally daft. languages have different information densities so if there's a cutoff, there could be a recipe that is intelligently designed if it's written in low-density Spanish, but not designed in high-density Mandarin.  :D  :D  :D At the end design is just a question of taste. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,10:15    Quote (sparc @ Sep. 23 2019,07:46) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,09:07)   Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2019,09:57) I think this is similar to his cake recipe: count the letters/words in the instructions. Equally daft. languages have different information densities so if there's a cutoff, there could be a recipe that is intelligently designed if it's written in low-density Spanish, but not designed in high-density Mandarin.  :D  :D  :D At the end design is just a question of taste. So you detect design, you lick the rocks??? Makes as much sense as anything else ID has done. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,10:27    That sounds unsanitary.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,12:27    it is a common geological technique, though. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,12:36    Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,10:27) it is a common geological technique, though. Mmmmm, halite... -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,12:55    Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,13:34    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,13:55) Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then. It will not shock anybody here that several of the Facebook groups I belong to are basically 'laughing at idiots' groups. Pro-vaccine, anti-creationist, etc. occasionally somebody on those groups post something from some complete idiot who is into drinking their own urine. They have elaborate 'protocols' for aging and drinking the urine to fix various medical problems. so hey even if you were a lab tech back then at least you're getting paid to drink it. Today mentally deficient people do it for free.       PS didn't Kairosfocus say something about drinking hydrogen peroxide or something?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,13:56    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,13:34) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,13:55) Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then. It will not shock anybody here that several of the Facebook groups I belong to are basically 'laughing at idiots' groups. Pro-vaccine, anti-creationist, etc. occasionally somebody on those groups post something from some complete idiot who is into drinking their own urine. They have elaborate 'protocols' for aging and drinking the urine to fix various medical problems. so hey even if you were a lab tech back then at least you're getting paid to drink it. Today mentally deficient people do it for free.  :D  :p  :D PS didn't Kairosfocus say something about drinking hydrogen peroxide or something? Is there any crazy thing that KF hasn't said?

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,14:30    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,11:56) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,13:34) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,13:55)   Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then. It will not shock anybody here that several of the Facebook groups I belong to are basically 'laughing at idiots' groups. Pro-vaccine, anti-creationist, etc. occasionally somebody on those groups post something from some complete idiot who is into drinking their own urine. They have elaborate 'protocols' for aging and drinking the urine to fix various medical problems. so hey even if you were a lab tech back then at least you're getting paid to drink it. Today mentally deficient people do it for free.  :D  :p  :D PS didn't Kairosfocus say something about drinking hydrogen peroxide or something? Is there any crazy thing that KF hasn't said? Pretty sure that's another  ET nugget. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,16:22    Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2019,14:30) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,11:56) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,13:34)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,13:55)   Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then. It will not shock anybody here that several of the Facebook groups I belong to are basically 'laughing at idiots' groups. Pro-vaccine, anti-creationist, etc. occasionally somebody on those groups post something from some complete idiot who is into drinking their own urine. They have elaborate 'protocols' for aging and drinking the urine to fix various medical problems. so hey even if you were a lab tech back then at least you're getting paid to drink it. Today mentally deficient people do it for free.  :D  :p  :D PS didn't Kairosfocus say something about drinking hydrogen peroxide or something? Is there any crazy thing that KF hasn't said? Pretty sure that's another  ET nugget. Wasn’t Davescot drinking (or recommending drinking) some laboratory chemical back in the day? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,16:36    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,13:34)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,13:55)   Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then. It will not shock anybody here that several of the Facebook groups I belong to are basically 'laughing at idiots' groups. Pro-vaccine, anti-creationist, etc. occasionally somebody on those groups post something from some complete idiot who is into drinking their own urine. They have elaborate 'protocols' for aging and drinking the urine to fix various medical problems. so hey even if you were a lab tech back then at least you're getting paid to drink it. Today mentally deficient people do it for free.       PS didn't Kairosfocus say something about drinking hydrogen peroxide or something? That was Joke Gallien who was the hydrogen peroxide swigger.  Swears it cured his oral and anal herpes.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,16:43    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 23 2019,16:36) Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,13:34)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,13:55)     Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then. It will not shock anybody here that several of the Facebook groups I belong to are basically 'laughing at idiots' groups. Pro-vaccine, anti-creationist, etc. occasionally somebody on those groups post something from some complete idiot who is into drinking their own urine. They have elaborate 'protocols' for aging and drinking the urine to fix various medical problems. so hey even if you were a lab tech back then at least you're getting paid to drink it. Today mentally deficient people do it for free.  :D  :p  :D PS didn't Kairosfocus say something about drinking hydrogen peroxide or something? That was Joke Gallien who was the hydrogen peroxide swigger.  Swears it cured his oral and anal herpes.   :) Regardless, I am certain that they have all been drinking the Koolaid.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2019,19:52    Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 23 2019,17:22) Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 23 2019,14:30) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,11:56)   Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 23 2019,13:34)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 23 2019,13:55)     Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 23 2019,12:27) it is a common geological technique, though. And they used to test for diabetes by tasting the urine. I'm glad I wasn't a lab technician back then. It will not shock anybody here that several of the Facebook groups I belong to are basically 'laughing at idiots' groups. Pro-vaccine, anti-creationist, etc. occasionally somebody on those groups post something from some complete idiot who is into drinking their own urine. They have elaborate 'protocols' for aging and drinking the urine to fix various medical problems. so hey even if you were a lab tech back then at least you're getting paid to drink it. Today mentally deficient people do it for free.  :D  :p  :D PS didn't Kairosfocus say something about drinking hydrogen peroxide or something? Is there any crazy thing that KF hasn't said? Pretty sure that's another  ET nugget. Wasn’t Davescot drinking (or recommending drinking) some laboratory chemical back in the day? Was it DMSO?

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