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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,16:15   

If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.

Compared to the ignorance that you spew the above clearly demonstrates insight, irrefutable arguments and more intelligence then you will ever be able to muster. And the anticipated responses will prove just that.

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

And not one of Acartia's authors has an answer for that

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,16:15   

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bump

Why bother?

After reading the Joke comment that wasn't visible because of the page transition, I agree with you. But I'm an eternal optimist. I am ever optimistic that Joke will write a comment that includes insight, irrefutable arguments and intelligence.

There's optimism, and there's delusion.

I'm just optimistic we'll open rich new veins of silly: probability not even zero, molecules pointing the right way, that sort of thing.

There isn't any optimism that evoTARDs will ever ante up so we can actually compare which has the evidence and science and which is silly bullshit.

It is delusional to even think that evoTARDs are interested in science. It is obvious they cannot follow along and have to make shit up to make themselves feel good by humping a straw man.

JohnW, the TARD who cannot use a thesaurus.

Start with these:

Evolution: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal....5585646

Journal of Evolutionary Biology: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal....4209101

Journal of Human Evolution: https://www.journals.elsevier.com/journal....olution

Journal of Mammalian Evolution: https://link.springer.com/journal....l....14

After you have read all of the articles in these journals, we will compare the evidence they provide to the evidence provided in those prestigious ID journals. You know, journals like:

BioComplexity. http://bio-complexity.org/ojs........current

Oops, I guess that is all of them. But I must comment that journal. The number of research papers published in 2018 was double that in 2017. If they publish one more, they will have tripled the 2017 number.

Those links are heavy...

Those links are a perfect example of a literature bluff.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,16:27   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,16:15)
If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.

Compared to the ignorance that you spew the above clearly demonstrates insight, irrefutable arguments and more intelligence then you will ever be able to muster. And the anticipated responses will prove just that.

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

And not one of Acartia's authors has an answer for that

Maybe this one (after a 10 second google search.
Quote
Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,16:37   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 07 2018,16:27)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,16:15)
If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.

Compared to the ignorance that you spew the above clearly demonstrates insight, irrefutable arguments and more intelligence then you will ever be able to muster. And the anticipated responses will prove just that.

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

And not one of Acartia's authors has an answer for that

Maybe this one (after a 10 second google search.
Quote
Bacteria and archaea are the most primitive forms of life on Earth, invisible to the naked eye and not extremely varied or impressive in their appearance. Nevertheless, they are characterized by an amazing metabolic diversity, especially in the different processes they use to generate energy in the form of ATP. This allows them to persist in diverse and often extreme habitats. Wanting to address how this metabolic diversity evolved, we mapped the distribution of nine bioenergetic modes across all the major lineages of bacteria and archaea. We find a patchy distribution of the different pathways, which suggests either frequent innovations, or gene transfer between unrelated species. We also examined the F-type ATP synthase, a protein complex which is central to all bioenergetic processes, and common to most types of bacteria regardless of how they harness energy from their environment. Our results indicate an ancient origin for this protein complex, and suggest that different species, without necessitating major innovation, used their pre-existing ATP synthase and adapted it to work with different bioenergetic pathways. We also describe gene duplications and rearrangements of the ATP synthase subunits in different lineages, which suggest further flexibility and robustness in the control of ATP synthesis.

Again, how does that support evolution by means of blind and mindless processes? Once you start with gene duplication you are going to run out of time. And there is nothing there that even addresses the tether I am talking about.

So clearly you are proud to try to bluff your way through it. You aren't even going to care what ID claims.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,16:44   

Yeah, you guys don't know everything so you don't know anything.

Or something.

Yawn.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,16:51   

Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 07 2018,16:44)
Yeah, you guys don't know everything so you don't know anything.

Or something.

Yawn.

Actually you guys don't know much of anything. You sure as hell cannot test your claims.

Yawn away.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,17:42   

Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 07 2018,17:39)
EricMH:
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@DD, or one could interpret this as KF doing his best to communicate a difficult subject through both word and image.

The sad thing is that he's probably right.  This is KF doing his best.

As opposed to Johnny's best which is to show us how not to use a thesaurus.

I am sure than Johnny can also equivocate and bluff with the best of them.

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,18:49   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,17:42)
Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 07 2018,17:39)
EricMH:
 
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@DD, or one could interpret this as KF doing his best to communicate a difficult subject through both word and image.

The sad thing is that he's probably right.  This is KF doing his best.

As opposed to Johnny's best which is to show us how not to use a thesaurus.

I am sure than Johnny can also equivocate and bluff with the best of them.

I thought that I was the best of the equivocators and bluffers. I refuse to share my crown. John will have to accept second best.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,18:49   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,19:32   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,18:49)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,19:44   

DD sure didn't last long

 
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Barry Arrington  December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.


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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,20:24   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 07 2018,20:16)
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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:    
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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,20:45   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,20:24)
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Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 07 2018,19:06)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2018,11:37)
   
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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:    
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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

So, defaming a dead evolutionist is morally acceptable. Defaming a dead IDist is morally unacceptable. Got it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,20:58   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,20:24)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 07 2018,20:16)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 07 2018,19:06)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2018,11:37)
   
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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:    
Quote

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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

Care to tell us how you determine what is moral, Joe?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,21:34   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,19:32)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,18:49)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2018,22:05   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,21:34)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,19:32)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,18:49)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

Or not wetting the bed.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,07:19   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 07 2018,20:45)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,20:24)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 07 2018,20:16)
 
Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 07 2018,19:06)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2018,11:37)
     
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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:      
Quote

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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

So, defaming a dead evolutionist is morally acceptable. Defaming a dead IDist is morally unacceptable. Got it.

No one is defaming Darwin. The facts speak for themselves. As for Gish you and yours are just pissed off because he exposed your position as the bullshit that it is

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"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,07:20   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,21:34)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,19:32)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,18:49)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

So that would mean you should stick to your shit-eating contests. That is about the only challenge tat you are up for.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,07:21   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 07 2018,20:58)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,20:24)
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Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 07 2018,19:06)
 
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 08 2018,11:37)
     
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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:      
Quote

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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

Care to tell us how you determine what is moral, Joe?

It is all written down. Read it

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,07:22   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 07 2018,22:05)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,21:34)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,19:32)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,18:49)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

Or not wetting the bed.

Yes, Acartia wets its bed every night. It could always win the bed-wetting challenge

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,09:30   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 08 2018,07:20)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,21:34)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,19:32)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,18:49)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

So that would mean you should stick to your shit-eating contests. That is about the only challenge tat you are up for.

'tat'.

Some snowflake is *Triggered* 🤣

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,09:36   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 08 2018,09:30)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 08 2018,07:20)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,21:34)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,19:32)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,18:49)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
   
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,00:11)
Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

So that would mean you should stick to your shit-eating contests. That is about the only challenge tat you are up for.

'tat'.

Some snowflake is *Triggered* 🤣

You got tat right. 💩

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,09:37   

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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:      
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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

Care to tell us how you determine what is moral, Joe?

It is all written down. Read it

Read what?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,09:55   

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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:        
Quote

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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

Care to tell us how you determine what is moral, Joe?

It is all written down. Read it

Read what?

That's right. You lack reading comprehension skills

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simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,09:55   

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Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

So that would mean you should stick to your shit-eating contests. That is about the only challenge tat you are up for.

'tat'.

Some snowflake is *Triggered* 🤣

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,10:00   

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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:        
Quote

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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

Care to tell us how you determine what is moral, Joe?

It is all written down. Read it

Read what?

That's right. You lack reading comprehension skills

Joe, why are you trying to hide behind silly insults?  “Read it” is hardly an informative statement. Why can’t you just answer a simple question?  Are you embarrassed to tell me the source of your morals?

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"I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,10:00   

Acartia may be starting to get it:
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If a hypothesis is untestable, isn’t it just an unsupported assertion?


Yes, that is correct and your position doesn't have any testable hypotheses for its posited mechanisms. It is all just unsupported assertion.

On the other hand ID does have testable hypotheses. Go figure...

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,10:01   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 08 2018,10:00)
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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:          
Quote

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Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

Care to tell us how you determine what is moral, Joe?

It is all written down. Read it

Read what?

That's right. You lack reading comprehension skills

Joe, why are you trying to hide behind silly insults?  “Read it” is hardly an informative statement. Why can’t you just answer a simple question?  Are you embarrassed to tell me the source of your morals?

Start with the Ten Commandments and then buy a vowel.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,10:12   

Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 08 2018,09:55)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 08 2018,09:30)
Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 08 2018,07:20)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 07 2018,21:34)
 
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Quote (Joe G @ Dec. 07 2018,07:33)
     
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Joe, everyone is laughing at you.

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Please chubs. What are you now, 75 years old?

So what? You are still a coward and a loser.

Pick challenges you might have a chance with - like climbing the stairs 🤣

So that would mean you should stick to your shit-eating contests. That is about the only challenge tat you are up for.

'tat'.

Some snowflake is *Triggered* 🤣

Whatever, Dick. What you say is meaningless and unsupportable.

Again, I am comforted by the fact I could easily kick your ass in a fight or in a debate on science.

Tat's nice, sweetheart. 😙

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2018,10:19   

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Barry ArringtonDecember 7, 2018 at 6:34 pm
UD Editors:

Deputy Dog, final warning.

Now:          
Quote

21
Barry Arrington
    December 7, 2018 at 6:38 pm

Deputy Dog has been shown the exit.

So, commenting on a dead person’s amazing ability to overwhelm people with incomprehensible prose (Gish Gallop) is grounds for UD bannination. But calling Darwin a racist and accusing him of being responsible for the holocaust is acceptable. And they accuse us of being moral relativists.

Not everyone shares your asinine recollection of Duane Gish.

Darwin was a racist. It was the in thing at the time.

And he just gave the Nazis alleged scientific justification for what they did.

We accuse you of being moral subjectivists- meaning whatever you think is moral is OK, especially if others think that way too.

Care to tell us how you determine what is moral, Joe?

It is all written down. Read it

Read what?

That's right. You lack reading comprehension skills

Joe, why are you trying to hide behind silly insults?  “Read it” is hardly an informative statement. Why can’t you just answer a simple question?  Are you embarrassed to tell me the source of your morals?

Start with the Ten Commandments and then buy a vowel.

Which set?  I wouldn’t want to decide subjectively which to follow.

While we’re on the subject, how do you know you should follow the rules from the Abrahamic religions?  Why not Hinduism?  Did you subjectively pick a religion to provide your morality because others believe that, too?

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"I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

  
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