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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2015,02:24   

Quote (sparc @ Jan. 29 2015,21:00)
The IDiots must have really given up Dembski's ID charade when they announce a Cosmos + Creator conference.

One of the sponsors is Pensmore Foundation. I looked at their website and there's some pretty entertaining crap there but this really cracked me up:

"LIFE AND THE UNIVERSE: HOW DID IT ALL BEGIN? TELEVISION SERIES
This 13-part original TV series, developed from the 2013 Westminster Conference on Science and Faith, captures the presentations of some of the world’s greatest thinkers in the realm of science and religion, including Oxford University’s Dr. John Lennox, microbiologist Dr. Douglas Axe, philosopher of science Dr. Stephen Meyer, and other noted and renowned scholars. They examine such questions as, what is the origin of the universe, of life?, why is the beginning important, and why do people argue about it?, what’s wrong with Darwinism?, did Darwin doubt his own theory?, and other related topics."  (my bold)

And WHEN are creobots going to stop the "Darwinism" bullshit? Yeah, I know, they are never going to stop that. They are thoroughly obsessed with Darwin and their hatred of him, and to further their theocratic agenda they need to attack what they perceive as and assert is an evil authority figure. To them, Darwin is THE evil authority figure, at least when it comes to humans. To them, Darwin was and is the anti-christ, and even though he has been dead for a long time and evolutionary theory has moved on in important ways, Darwin and his influence must be destroyed over and over and over again.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2015,02:40   

Quote (The whole truth @ Jan. 30 2015,02:24)
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 29 2015,21:00)
The IDiots must have really given up Dembski's ID charade when they announce a Cosmos + Creator conference.

One of the sponsors is Pensmore Foundation. I looked at their website and there's some pretty entertaining crap there but this really cracked me up:

"LIFE AND THE UNIVERSE: HOW DID IT ALL BEGIN? TELEVISION SERIES
This 13-part original TV series, developed from the 2013 Westminster Conference on Science and Faith, captures the presentations of some of the world’s greatest thinkers in the realm of science and religion, including Oxford University’s Dr. John Lennox, microbiologist Dr. Douglas Axe, philosopher of science Dr. Stephen Meyer, and other noted and renowned scholars. They examine such questions as, what is the origin of the universe, of life?, why is the beginning important, and why do people argue about it?, what’s wrong with Darwinism?, did Darwin doubt his own theory?, and other related topics."  (my bold)

And WHEN are creobots going to stop the "Darwinism" bullshit? Yeah, I know, they are never going to stop that. They are thoroughly obsessed with Darwin and their hatred of him, and to further their theocratic agenda they need to attack what they perceive as and assert is an evil authority figure. To them, Darwin is THE evil authority figure, at least when it comes to humans. To them, Darwin was and is the anti-christ, and even though he has been dead for a long time and evolutionary theory has moved on in important ways, Darwin and his influence must be destroyed over and over and over again.

I'm amused by the description of John Lennox as "Sometimes described as our generation's C.S. Lewis". I thought that was J.K. Rowling. Has Lennox even written a childrens book?

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2015,03:21   

Another sponsor of the "Conference" is Westminster Theological Seminary. From their website:

"POWER OF THE WORD's theme is "Teaching all the Word and applying it to all the World."

Through Conferences, special productions and Biblical teaching, PTW equips you to be better prepared to witness to your faith in our contemporary culture."  (my bold)

And:

"OUR MISSION

The Mission of The Power of the Word is to provide a unique blend of Reformed Biblical teaching and a discussion of world and life shaping events that affect our daily lives, teaching the Bible from the perspective of its timeless and pivotal role in shaping and redeeming our culture for the Glory of God."

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From the website of the Proclamation Presbyterian Church, where the "Conference" is going to be held:

"Our Vision, Values & Mission

Our Vision

Reaching the world with the Gospel for Salvation.
Building God’s people as the Church for his Glory.
Sending every Christian, equipped for service, to live and speak for Christ.

Our Values

The Supremacy of Christ
Over all things for his Father’s glory and his people’s good
As the One we trust for salvation and are called to obey
The Priority of the Church
As God’s new community
As God’s worshiping community
As God’s serving community
The Responsibility of Serving Christ
Every Christian has been given gifts for service
Every Christian is called to use their gifts for God
Every Christian is to live for Christ wherever they are
Every Christian is to be a witness to Christ in every sphere of life

Our Mission

To lead people to faith in Christ that we may grow together as the body of Christ and serve Christ as we live and labor for him to the glory of God."

And:  

"Our Worship

For information on our Sunday morning and evening worship services, please read about what happens on Sundays.

our-worship

We at Proclamation believe that the highest activity we can engage in as human beings is to worship God as our great Creator and glorious Redeemer. To do so in a way that is fitting for God as he makes himself known in the Bible means we seek to worship him with reverence and awe. To gain a better idea of what to expect on Sundays, click here. And for a more in depth exploration of our view of worship, please read In Spirit and In Truth, a statement on worship approved by the Eldership.

Our services follow a pattern that begins with a call to worship from a verse or passage in the Bible, which leads into a sequence of hymns and prayers, readings from Scripture and the giving of tithes and offerings to God’s work. Preaching is a key component of worship which provides a focus on specific aspects of God and his gift of salvation and how we respond to him. The sacraments of baptism and the Lord’s Supper, or communion, play an important part in our services as well.

Of course, the best way to get a feel for worship in Proclamation is to join us for one of our services."


And:

"Our Beliefs

We are a Bible-believing, Reformed and Christ-centered church. Our congregation belongs to the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) and holds to the Westminster Confession of Faith and Catechisms as our statement of faith and practice. In essence this means that we take the Bible seriously as God’s inspired and inerrant word. We stand in line with the historic understanding of the Christian Faith traced back through the Protestant Reformation to Augustine and the Early Church. And we see that understanding of the Faith best expressed in the Confession and Catechisms produced by the Westminster Assembly. Our greatest goal in life is to live for God’s glory and life’s greatest joy is found in fellowship with him.  (my bold)

Creeds

We believe that God has made himself known in the Bible. It is the final authority in how we understand who God is, what he is like and how we relate to him. However, throughout its history the church has produced summaries of the Bible’s teaching in the form of creeds, confessions of faith and catechisms. Some of the oldest creeds of the ancient church that still play a vital part in contemporary Christianity are the Apostles’ Creed and the Nicene Creed – both of which are used regularly in our church.  (my bold)

Along with Presbyterian churches worldwide, Proclamation holds to the Westminster Confession of Faith, Larger and Shorter Catechisms as a widely used summary of the faith, which, though over 350 years old, provides one of the most concise, yet comprehensive summaries of Bible teaching that has ever been drawn up.

Those who hold office in the church are required to subscribe to this statement of faith as the summary of their own beliefs and commit to ensuring that these teachings are safeguarded in the life and work of the congregation.

Church Affiliation

Proclamation is a congregation of the Presbyterian Church in America – a denomination which was formed in 1973 and currently is made up of around 1,500 churches throughout North America.

The PCA is Reformed and Evangelical in its beliefs and is committed to outreach and mission both at home and abroad. The denomination is organized regionally into Presbyteries and Proclamation belongs to the Philadelphia Metro West Presbytery of the PCA. This provides a forum in which we can relate to other like-minded churches in a meaningful way.

Throughout its history, Proclamation has also sought to connect and co-operate with other faithful churches in the local area and more widely with a view to furthering the gospel and assisting in joint-ventures to uphold Christian values and principles.

The church has also enjoyed close relationships with Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia and has benefited greatly from help given by its faculty over the years, as well as providing internships and mentoring opportunities for students from the seminary.  (my bold)

Leadership

The spiritual leadership of Proclamation is provided through Elders chosen by the congregation. Some of them are Teaching Elders, others are Ruling Elders, together they are known as the ‘Session’ and provide teaching, pastoral care and leadership for the church.  (my bold)

The Eldership is supported and helped by the Board of Deacons and Deaconesses. They are responsible in part for many of the practical needs in running the church. They look after finances and property; but they make sure that people’s needs are taken care of as well. More widely they exercise a ministry of care to those who are facing particular needs both within the congregation and also in the community.

There are other layers of leadership throughout the home groups, various meetings and ministries in the church. These are staffed by suitably gifted people in the church and all function under the oversight of the Session.

We seek to provide ongoing training for those who are asked to serve in the leadership positions in the church."

And:

"Westminster Confession of Faith

When the Presbyterian Church in the United States of America was formed in 1788, it adopted (with minor revisions) the Westminster Confession of Faith, Larger and Shorter Catechisms (1647), as its secondary standards (the Bible itself being the only infallible rule of faith and practice). Officers in the Presbyterian Church in America take a vow to “sincerely receive and adopt” these confessional documents “as containing the system of doctrine taught in the Holy Scriptures.”" (followed by a list of PDF files)  (my bold)

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Link to the "Conference" agenda:

http://www.discovery.org/scripts....d=11031


All science so far!

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2015,04:15   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 30 2015,00:40)
   
Quote (The whole truth @ Jan. 30 2015,02:24)
   
Quote (sparc @ Jan. 29 2015,21:00)
The IDiots must have really given up Dembski's ID charade when they announce a Cosmos + Creator conference.

One of the sponsors is Pensmore Foundation. I looked at their website and there's some pretty entertaining crap there but this really cracked me up:

"LIFE AND THE UNIVERSE: HOW DID IT ALL BEGIN? TELEVISION SERIES
This 13-part original TV series, developed from the 2013 Westminster Conference on Science and Faith, captures the presentations of some of the world’s greatest thinkers in the realm of science and religion, including Oxford University’s Dr. John Lennox, microbiologist Dr. Douglas Axe, philosopher of science Dr. Stephen Meyer, and other noted and renowned scholars. They examine such questions as, what is the origin of the universe, of life?, why is the beginning important, and why do people argue about it?, what’s wrong with Darwinism?, did Darwin doubt his own theory?, and other related topics."  (my bold)

And WHEN are creobots going to stop the "Darwinism" bullshit? Yeah, I know, they are never going to stop that. They are thoroughly obsessed with Darwin and their hatred of him, and to further their theocratic agenda they need to attack what they perceive as and assert is an evil authority figure. To them, Darwin is THE evil authority figure, at least when it comes to humans. To them, Darwin was and is the anti-christ, and even though he has been dead for a long time and evolutionary theory has moved on in important ways, Darwin and his influence must be destroyed over and over and over again.

I'm amused by the description of John Lennox as "Sometimes described as our generation's C.S. Lewis". I thought that was J.K. Rowling. Has Lennox even written a childrens book?

It does seem odd to say that Lennox is "Sometimes described as our generation's C.S. Lewis", but when looked at from a bible thumper point of view, odd is normal, and they apparently believe that comparing Lennox to a religious fiction writer is a badge of honor. In their delusional minds religious fiction is the truth (or at least fictional stories that fit within their religious beliefs, and there's a lot of room for crazy shit in their beliefs but not much, if any, room for reality). Religious zealots, such as the IDiot-creationists, obviously greatly prefer and revere fiction over reality.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 31 2015,19:05   

The Argus Leader carried a story on the South Dakota "teach the controversy" proposal.

Ho Hum. But, I got boss Disco'tute John West on the hook.
:)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 31 2015,19:39   

Disco'tute attack gerbil Casey Luskin has offered his insight:

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015....31.html
 :D

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2015,15:22   

Letter to a Young Darwin Activist's Parents

David Klinghoffer to Mrs. and Mr. Kopplin: "Control your boy, he outwitted me again and again...."

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2015,16:14   

Quote (DiEb @ May 22 2015,15:22)
Letter to a Young Darwin Activist's Parents

David Klinghoffer to Mrs. and Mr. Kopplin: "Control your boy, he outwitted me again and again...."

Zach is 21. He can buy beer and die for his country. He is a man, not a boy. Writing to his parents is simply trying to frame him as childish. Rather than writing to Mr. klinghoffer's parents in an open letter we would be better served attaching magnets to them so they can generate free energy as they turn in their graves.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2015,16:17   

LULZ?

http://discoveryu.thinkific.com/courses....-design

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2015,18:55   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 22 2015,22:17)
LULZ?

http://discoveryu.thinkific.com/courses....-design

Didn't Cornholio try something like this?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2015,18:58   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 22 2015,16:17)
LULZ?

http://discoveryu.thinkific.com/courses....-design

It's free. Anyone want to take the hit and download the PDFs for fisking?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2015,20:53   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 22 2015,16:17)
LULZ?

http://discoveryu.thinkific.com/courses....-design

Damn.  Not only does Luskin sound like a single digit IQ mouth-breather he also looks like a sleazy greaseball.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 22 2015,22:25   

Quote (OgreMkV @ May 22 2015,18:58)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 22 2015,16:17)
LULZ?

http://discoveryu.thinkific.com/courses....-design

It's free. Anyone want to take the hit and download the PDFs for fisking?

I downloaded some of them...they are bad...really, really bad.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,00:15   

Yeah, it's as ghastly as you'd expect. I signed up for the course; it's technically free, since there's no monetary fee, but they do want you to give them your name (I provided a pseudonym) and email address (I gave them one I don't hardy ever use).

It's divided up into a number of "sections", each of which has at least one quiz. Here's the first quiz in the 1st section, with the answers they count as 'correct' in boldface:

 
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Section 1: Defining Moment

Quiz

1. Which of the following terms best describes intelligent design?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Religion.
  B Fact.
  C Hypothesis.
  D Theory.

2. ID scientists study structures, sequences, or events primarily to distinguish between which two types of causes?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Supernatural and natural.
  B Intelligent (i.e., guided) and material (i.e., unguided).
  C Audible and inaudible.
  D Physical and non-physical.

3. Which of the following could be considered an intelligent agent?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Human.
  B God.
  C Gravity.
  D Both A and B.

4. Many elements common to our daily lives require information produced by intelligent agents. In which of the following examples would we not detect information produced by an intelligent agent?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Computer code.
  B The Blind Watchmaker (book by Richard Dawkins).
  C Sample of rainforest soil.
  D Sand castle.

5. When ID theorists investigate intelligent design, what is the first step they take?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Infer an intelligent agent created a natural object.
  B Infer a supernatural being created a natural object.
  C Study the types of information known to be produced by intelligent agents.
  D Study a natural object to determine if it contains information that is known to be produced by intelligent agents.

6. Which of the following most accurately represents intelligent design reasoning?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Nature contains structures too complex to have arisen through natural processes, therefore God must have designed all living and non-living structures.
  B High levels of complex and specified information, in our experience, come from intelligent agents. Therefore, some information-rich structures in nature are best explained by an intelligent cause.
  C There is evidence of design in nature, and design in our experience results from blind and unguided processes. Therefore, all living and non-living structures are the result of blind and unguided processes.
  D There is no evidence of design in nature, therefore all living and non-living structures are the result of blind and unguided processes.

7. The objects in the picture below were discovered in the desert and buried in layers of sand. Which feature of these objects is the best indicator of intelligent design?
[the picture is a photograph of wht appears to be a museum display of pottery]
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A The objects were found buried in sand.
  B The objects are made of clay.
  C The objects have shapes that match those of objects from other excavation sites, known to be produced by intelligent agents.
  D The objects were found 10 miles from a small city.

8. A biologist is studying the sequence of a protein consisting of 300 amino acids. Which feature below is not a possible indicator of intelligent design?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A The protein is 300 amino acids in length.
  B Proteins with identical (or very similar) amino acid sequences are found in several other species.
  C The probability of creating an identical (or similar) protein sequence via unguided processes is extremely low.
  D The protein's function is significantly reduced when one or more amino acids are removed or modified.

9. Is the sequence of letters below complex, specified, or both?
“Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Complex but not specified.
  B Specified but not complex.
  C Complex and specified.

10. Is the sequence of letters below complex, specified, or both?
“aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou aeiou"
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Complex but not specified.
  B Specified but not complex.
  C Complex and specified.

11. Is the sequence of letters below complex, specified, or both?
“yStdTVzWDR LQiAivSvAtUwrHxbnLmhAWOHecIMf foyETdMXOk NcYZPIBiDojPqYqsFaPK hbgioyrgqYGkG fzpL XZSfmIvpMEORKrt"
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Complex but not specified.
  B Specified but not complex.
  C Complex and specified.
(desired answer: A Complex but not specified.)

12. Is the image below complex, specified, or both?
[the image consists of amorphous red cloud-like forms on a very dark grey background]
  A Complex but not specified.
  B Specified but not complex.
  C Complex and specified.

13. Is the image below complex, specified, or both?
[the image consists of hand-printed block letters which read "I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER"]
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Complex but not specified.
  B Specified but not complex.
  C Complex and specified.

14. Is the image below complex, specified, or both?
[the image consists of four columns of dots, with four dots in each column; every dot in the 1st and 3rd columns is red, and tevery dot in the 2nd & 4th columns is black]
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Complex but not specified.
  B Specified but not complex.
  C Complex and specified.

15. Critics sometimes equate intelligent design with creationism. Which statement below is only true of intelligent design?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Starts with a religious text (e.g., the Bible).
  B Concludes God created all things.
  C Recognizes design in living and non-living structures in nature.
  D Refrains from specifying the nature or identity of an intelligent agent.

16. Which option below best describes a hurricane?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Natural and unintelligent.
  B Natural and intelligent.
  C Supernatural.

17. Which option below best describes a bird building a nest?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Natural and unintelligent.
  B Natural and intelligent.
  C Supernatural.

18. Which option below best describes a ghost appearing out of thin air?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Natural and unintelligent.
  B Natural and intelligent.
  C Supernatural.

19. Which option below best describes humans building a skyscraper?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Natural and unintelligent.
  B Natural and intelligent.
  C Supernatural.

20. Which option below best describes prayer miraculously healing a dying child?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Natural and unintelligent.
  B Natural and intelligent.
  C Supernatural.

21. Which option below best describes a meteor shower?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Natural and unintelligent.
  B Natural and intelligent.
  C Supernatural.

22. Which of the following options claims that there is no evidence of intelligent design in nature?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Creationism.
  B Materialism.
  C Intelligent design.
  D Both A and C.

23. Which of the following claims that God created all things?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Creationism.
  B Materialism.
  C Intelligent design.
  D Both A and C.

24. Which of the following claims that God does not exist?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Creationism.
  B Materialism.
  C Intelligent design.
  D Methodological naturalism.

25. Which of the following claims that you should assume God doesn't exist when doing science?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Methodological naturalism.
  B Intelligent design.
  C Materialism.
  D Both B and C.

26. An intelligent design proponent is a theist (one who believes in God).
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Always.
  B Sometimes.
  C Never.

27. An intelligent design proponent is an atheist (one who doesn't believe in God).
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Always.
  B Sometimes.
  C Never.

28. An intelligent design proponent is a creationist.
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Always.
  B Sometimes.
  C Never.

29. An intelligent design proponent is a materialist.
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A Always.
  B Sometimes.
  C Never.

30. Materialism holds that life originated from inorganic material through guided processes.
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A True.
  B False.

31. Materialism holds that the physical laws and constants of the universe were intelligently designed.
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A True.
  B False.

32. Materialism holds that all living organisms on earth are related through universal common ancestry.
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A True.
  B False.

33. Intelligent design challenges materialism by proposing that:
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
  A The universe is uncaused.
  B Intelligent design is a scientific conclusion.
  C All structures originate from an intelligent cause.
  D Life arose in outer space.
  E Both B and C.

Kinda speaks for itself, don't it?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,01:08   

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29. An intelligent design proponent is a materialist.
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
 A Always.
 B Sometimes.
 C Never.


DIE MATERIALIST SCUM

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,04:53   

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4. Many elements common to our daily lives require information produced by intelligent agents. In which of the following examples would we not detect information produced by an intelligent agent?
CHOOSE ONLY ONE BEST ANSWER
 A Computer code.
 B The Blind Watchmaker (book by Richard Dawkins).
 C Sample of rainforest soil.
 D Sand castle.

Well, that's some admission. Whether it's of the utter failure of ID or Luskin's utter ignorance of what's actually in soil (flagella and all) so someone else can decide.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,08:48   

Just out of curiosity, does the course actually define specified and complex so that one can answer these questions?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,08:52   

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Just out of curiosity, does the course actually define specified and complex so that one can answer these questions?

"Complex specified information is information that is both specified and complex!" - Jorge Fernandez, IDiot at TheologyWeb

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,11:00   

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Just out of curiosity, does the course actually define specified and complex so that one can answer these questions?

Complex is when a number has an imaginary part.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,11:38   

To give you another taste, these are the learning objectives from Chapter 15 Sudden Gradual Change

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D I S C O V E R I N G I N T E L L I G E N T D E S I G N
Chapter 15: Sudden, Gradual Change
Main point
Explain how the abrupt appearance of new organisms in the fossil record challenges Darwinian evolution and points to design.

Opening Chapter Question
Do you think the fossil evidence supports Darwinian evolution?
Learning Objectives
• I can explain how Darwin’s theory of evolution via descent with modification requires that
organisms evolve gradually and predicts that a large number of intermediate or transitional forms
have existed.
• I can explain that when transitional forms weren’t found, Darwin conceded that this was a serious
challenge to his theory, but then suggested that these transitional fossils were missing because the
geological record was incomplete (e.g., the “artifact hypothesis”).
• I can explain that many paleontologists recognize that missing transitional fossils are not the
product of an incomplete geological record, but rather that there are real gaps between major
taxonomic categories, and that those gaps are unlikely to be filled by future investigations.
• I can explain that the fossil record shows a pattern of extinctions (sudden disappearance of
organisms) and explosions (sudden appearance of new types of organisms) rather than a series
of transitional fossils showing gradual change from one species to the next. I understand that the
main patterns in the fossil record contradict the predictions of Darwinian evolution.
• I can describe the Cambrian explosion as a major event in the history of life, roughly 530 million
years ago, that occurred in a period of no more than about 5-10 million years, where nearly all the
major living animal phyla appeared.
• I can explain that evolutionary scientists have attempted to explain the absence of transitional
fossils in the Cambrian explosion by postulating that Precambrian fossils were too small or too softbodied
to have been preserved, and I evaluate why this explanation is problematic, because
small and soft-bodied fossils are abundant in the Cambrian explosion and are even found in
Precambrian strata (e.g., Precambrian sponge embryo fossils), though known Precambrian fossils
are not thought to be ancestors to the Cambrian phyla.
• I can list other examples of explosions in the fossil record including: (1) fish, (2) non-flowering plants,
(3) flowering plants (angiosperms), (4) mammals, (5) birds, and (6) our genus Homo.
• I can explain how scientists like Stephen Jay Gould have attempted to account for the absence
of transitional forms by invoking punctuated equilibrium, where evolution occurs in small
populations over short periods of time (too rapid for transitional forms to be fossilized), interspersed
by long periods of little change (called “stasis”).
L E A R N I N G O B J E C T I V E S
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DID | Chapter 15: Sudden, Gradual Change
• I can identify problems with punctuated equilibrium, including: (1) it requires too much genetic
change too quickly, (2) it compresses the vast majority of evolutionary change into small
populations that lived over short periods of time, thereby affording too few opportunities for
beneficial mutations to arise, and (3) it seems more like an excuse for the lack of transitional fossils
than a testable theory.
• I can explain how scientists in the field of evolutionary developmental biology (“evo devo”)
have attempted to explain how large-scale changes to a body plan could arise rapidly through
mutations in the genes controlling an organism’s development (e.g., Hox or homeobox genes).
• I can identify the problems of evolutionary developmental biology (“evo devo”) as: (1) mutations
in developmental genes (e.g., Hox genes) are typically lethal, (2) mutations in developmental
genes cannot produce new body parts but can only rearrange parts that are already present,
and (3) known examples of “evo-devo” mutations cause loss, rather than gain, of function.
• I can identify different models of change in the fossil record, including Darwinian gradual
evolution, explosions, and punctuated equilibrium
• I can discuss how only intelligent design can explain explosions of fully formed body plans in
the fossil record, as these would require rapid infusion of massive amounts of new biological
information to encode and integrate the necessary proteins, cell types, tissues, and organs to
form the new body plans.
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DID | Chapter 15: Sudden, Gradual Change
C H A P T E R O U T L I N E
I. Darwinian Gradualism
A. The hallmark of Darwinian evolution is gradual change.
B. Darwin proposed that all organisms evolved via descent with modification, and predicted that
“[t]he number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, [must] be
truly enormous.”’
C. When those transitional forms weren’t found, he called it “the most obvious and gravest
objection which can be urged against my theory.”
D. A lack of fossil evidence for evolutionary transitions presents a critical and persistent problem for
materialists.
E. This lack of transition fossils challenges Materialism Tenet #7: All living organisms are related
through universal common ancestry.
F. Darwin attempted to save his theory of gradual evolution by claiming that intermediate fossils
are not found because of “the extreme imperfection of the geological record.”
G. In recent decades, however, leading paleontologists have recognized that gaps between
major taxonomic categories are not simply the result of an incomplete fossil record.
H. Rather, many of the gaps are real and are unlikely to significantly change based on new
discoveries.
I. Despite the incompleteness of the fossil record, only a tiny fraction of known fossil species are
claimed to be transitional forms.
J. The scarcity of transitional fossils is problematic for Darwinian theory.
II. Explosions in the History of Life
A. The record consistently shows a pattern where new forms come into existence abruptly, which
many have called “explosions” in the history of life.
B. A prime example of an “explosion” occurred during the Cambrian period about 530 million
years ago, when nearly all of the major living animal phyla appear in the fossil record.
C. This landmark event in the history of life is called the Cambrian explosion, and it took place
within a geological eye blink—5 to 10 million years (or possibly much less).
D. Evolutionary scientists have failed to explain the Cambrian explosion.
1. Some postulate that the Precambrian fossils were simply too small or too soft-bodied to be
preserved.
2. This explanation has severe deficiencies as small and soft-bodied organisms were commonly
fossilized. In fact, the Cambrian explosion is full of them.
3. Indeed, Precambrian sponge embryos have been discovered, demonstrating that if small
and soft-bodied transitional organisms existed, they could have been fossilized.
E. There are other examples of explosions in the fossil record.
1. Most major fish groups appear abruptly.
2. Plant biologists observe that the initial appearance of many land plants “is the terrestrial
equivalent of the much-debated Cambrian ‘explosion’ of marine faunas.”
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3. Later in the fossil record there is an explosion of flowering plants, sometimes referred to as the
“big bloom.”
4. Vertebrate paleontologists believe there was a mammal explosion with the abrupt
appearance of many orders of mammals.
5. There is also a bird explosion, with major bird groups appearing in a short time period.
6. Some have even described the abrupt origin of our own genus Homo as an explosion.
III. Punctuated Equilibrium (“Punc Eq”)
A. Because the fossil record has not confirmed Darwin’s predictions of gradual evolution,
paleontologists like Stephen Jay Gould proposed a theory where evolution takes place rapidly.
B. According to this theory, most evolution takes place in small populations over relatively short
geological time periods—too rapidly for transitional forms to be fossilized.
C. These hypothetical periods of rapid change are interspersed between long time spans without
much change, called stasis.
D. Punctuated equilibrium faces a number of problems:
1. The punc eq model requires too much genetic change too quickly.
2. It compresses the vast majority of evolutionary change into small populations that lived
during a small segment of time, allowing too few rolls of the dice for beneficial mutations to
arise.
3. Punc eq can appear to be simply an excuse for why transitional fossils are missing: Would
you believe someone who claimed to capture fairies and Leprechauns on video, but when
asked to produce the film, declares “well, they are on camera but they are too small or too
fast to be seen”?
IV. Evo Devo
A. Some evolutionists have hoped that a field called evolutionary developmental biology (“evodevo”)
could explain how large evolutionary changes could arise rapidly through mutations in
the genes controlling the development of an organism.
B. Proponents of evo-devo contend that changes to the master genes that control the
development of an organism, such as Hox or homeobox genes, can cause large, abrupt
changes in body plans.
C. Evo Devo faces various problems:
1. Developmental genes are tightly interconnected, and thus changes in one gene will affect
many others, making most mutations lethal.
2. Hox genes do not encode proteins that build body parts—they merely direct the genes that
encode body parts. Thus, Hox mutations can only rearrange parts that are already there;
they cannot create truly novel structures.
3. The best examples of evolutionary change produced by evo-devo mechanisms are meager,
and often entail loss, rather than gain of function.
DID | Chapter 15: Sudden, Gradual Change
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V. Intelligent Design and the Fossil Record.
A. The explosions of fully formed body plans in the fossil record require a cause that can rapidly
infuse massive amounts of information to encode and integrate the necessary proteins, cell
types, tissues, and organs.
B. There is only one known cause that can accomplish these tasks: intelligence.
1. Design theorists have observed that intelligent agents are uniquely capable of rapidly
infusing large amounts of information into the biosphere.
2. Only intelligence can produce the complex and specified information necessary to
coordinate many levels of organization into a functional body plan.
3. Only intelligence can conceive of a fully formed blueprint ahead of time, prior to
implementing the design in the real world.
C. The fossil record supports ID’s prediction that species might appear abruptly, indicating the
rapid infusion of new information into the natural world.
D. Design theorists have observed that intelligent agents are uniquely capable of using large
amounts of information to create blueprints, which lead to fully functional machines and new
types of organism.
DID | Chapter 15: Sudden, Gradual Change

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,12:55   

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The fossil record supports ID’s prediction that species might appear abruptly....


ID prediction spotted!

ID predicts something might happen.

Brilliant.

Checkmate Darwin thugs!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,13:12   

Quote (Woodbine @ May 23 2015,12:55)
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The fossil record supports ID’s prediction that species might appear abruptly....


ID prediction spotted!

ID predicts something might happen.

Brilliant.

Checkmate Darwin thugs!

Well that's nothing new, quite some time ago they predicted that some "junk DNA" would be found to have function.

They also predicted that day would follow night.

Match that, materialist thugs.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2015,14:06   

So, he, like Meyer, is actively lying. Good to know.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2015,05:00   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 23 2015,13:12)
Quote (Woodbine @ May 23 2015,12:55)
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The fossil record supports ID’s prediction that species might appear abruptly....


ID prediction spotted!

ID predicts something might happen.

Brilliant.

Checkmate Darwin thugs!

Well that's nothing new, quite some time ago they predicted that some "junk DNA" would be found to have function.

They also predicted that day would follow night.

Match that, materialist thugs.

Glen Davidson

We've also predicted that day would subsequently follow night. So there.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2015,09:21   

File under the "Instant argument without considering the larger implications", Luskin basically gives up the ghost. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015....41.html

He admits that evolution is science and that the religious implications of evolution are just that, not a core part of the science, and therefore evolution can be taught in schools.

He then says
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Many evolutionists, however, would probably dislike this way of thinking. Why? Because the very same approach would justify teaching about intelligent design in public schools.


Since he's never asked any "evolutionist" about this, he's just making stuff up.

Interestingly, he quotes several court decisions on the subject. But totally fails to quote the big one.

Kitzmiller decision:
For the reasons that follow, we conclude that the religious nature of ID [intelligent design] would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child. (page 24)
A significant aspect of the IDM [intelligent design movement] is that despite Defendants' protestations to the contrary, it describes ID as a religious argument. In that vein, the writings of leading ID proponents reveal that the designer postulated by their argument is the God of Christianity. (page 26)
The evidence at trial demonstrates that ID is nothing less than the progeny of creationism. (page 31)
The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory. (page 43)

And that, Casey, is why you people fail every single time.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2015,09:51   

Quote (OgreMkV @ June 03 2015,17:21)
File under the "Instant argument without considering the larger implications", Luskin basically gives up the ghost. http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015.......41.html

He admits that evolution is science and that the religious implications of evolution are just that, not a core part of the science, and therefore evolution can be taught in schools.

He then says
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Many evolutionists, however, would probably dislike this way of thinking. Why? Because the very same approach would justify teaching about intelligent design in public schools.


Since he's never asked any "evolutionist" about this, he's just making stuff up.

Interestingly, he quotes several court decisions on the subject. But totally fails to quote the big one.

Kitzmiller decision:
For the reasons that follow, we conclude that the religious nature of ID [intelligent design] would be readily apparent to an objective observer, adult or child. (page 24)
A significant aspect of the IDM [intelligent design movement] is that despite Defendants' protestations to the contrary, it describes ID as a religious argument. In that vein, the writings of leading ID proponents reveal that the designer postulated by their argument is the God of Christianity. (page 26)
The evidence at trial demonstrates that ID is nothing less than the progeny of creationism. (page 31)
The overwhelming evidence at trial established that ID is a religious view, a mere re-labeling of creationism, and not a scientific theory. (page 43)

And that, Casey, is why you people fail every single time.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2015,11:56   

Kirk Dunstan has an amazing case of hypocrisy.

He posts about whether we should have faith in science here: http://www.evolutionnews.org/2015....51.html

Of course, he completely fails to mention that ID fails all of the tests he mentions.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2015,22:02   

I took a look at this today.

Durston, K. K., Chiu, D. K., Abel, D. L., & Trevors, J. T. (2007). "Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling" Theoretical Biology and Medical Modelling, 4, 47.

I get the sense that editors and reviewers are easily baffled by bullshit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2015,13:35   

Quote (Otangelo @ Nov. 16 2015,13:32)
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Idiot.


Listen kid. If you want to behave like at the  kindergarden yard,  fine with with me.  

I prefere to have a grown up debate with adults.

Have a nice day.

...and another IDiot runs for the hills when he realizes he can't BS his way through the actual science.   :D  :D  :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2015,13:37   

Otangelo's discussion has its own thread. Replies on that topic posted here will be deleted. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

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