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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:48   

Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,06:49)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Sep. 13 2018,06:06)
But for some reason, no matter how broad their kinds are, they never think humans belong in the ape kind.  I wonder why?

That's easy Joe is actually 10,000 chimpanzees sitting in front of 10,000 typewriters for 10,000 years.

Except you are the dipshits who want to be related to chimps

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:50   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,18:44)
Wow Joke, you managed to spew most of your IDiot Creationist talking points in one Gish Gallop!  Your two neurons must be exhausted.   :D

Surely you're not saying that science is getting on his nerves? :p

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:53   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 13 2018,08:50)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,18:44)
Wow Joke, you managed to spew most of your IDiot Creationist talking points in one Gish Gallop!  Your two neurons must be exhausted.   :D

Surely you're not saying that science is getting on his nerves? :p

No, but science is clearly getting on your nerves- speaking of which your position doesn't have a mechanism capable of producing nerves and all that goes with them, eg wet electricity

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:54   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

Look, you scientifically illiterate faggot, it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Science mandates those making the claim of universal common descent provide the evidence and mechanism for it. I know that it bothers you that you don't even have a mechanism for producing eukaryotes and as such your claim can't even be scientifically tested and relies solely on faith.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science


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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:55   

Poof, the magic Mutant (to the tune "Puff the Magic Dragon")

Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be.
Little Richard Dawkins, loved that rascal Poof.
And wrote him books to appease the kooks, oh what a silly goof!

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be
Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be


Together they would mutate Poof into a beluga whale
Richard kept a spectroscope trained on Poof’s mutating tail.
Nobel things and atheists bowed whene’er they came
Scientists would lower their flasks when Poof mutated a mane

Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be
Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be


Mutations can’t go on forever, just like little boys
Antennaed wings and giant things doom nature’s mutant ploys
One gray night it happened, natural selection said no more
And Poof that Magic Mutant, mutated one last roar

His head was bent in sorrow, his tears fell like rain
Richard no longer went to write it gave him so much pain
Without his life-long friend Dick could not be brave
So Dick that evo-poofer sadly slipped in to his cave


Oh Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be
Poof the Magic Mutant, a-t-g-c
And changed them just by randomness just to see what he could be

(repeat chorus and fade...)

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:55   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

What did today's extant tigers, leopards, and house cats descend from?

Show us the scientific evidence there was an original created feline "kind".  Show us the scientific evidence for a barrier making it impossible for one "kind" to evolve into another "kind".

You won't because such things don't exist except inside you ignorant YEC brain.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:58   

Should someone waste time pointing out that scientific conclusions aren't based on what anybody wants?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:58   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is you dickless wonder.  You claim such a barrier exists, you demonstrate it.

That's how real science works Joke.  Not the mental masturbation known as ID-Creationism.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,08:59   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:55)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

I never made any YEC claims, you lying freak

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:01   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't, you scientifically illiterate freak.

It is up to the people claiming universal common descent to support their claim.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science


timmy ignores the evidence and the science

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:02   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,16:55)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

What did today's extant tigers, leopards, and house cats descend from?

Show us the scientific evidence there was an original created feline "kind".  Show us the scientific evidence for a barrier making it impossible for one "kind" to evolve into another "kind".

You won't because such things don't exist except inside you ignorant YEC brain.

Joe loves teaze. It goes thus. Catz can't do dogz.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:03   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
Should someone waste time pointing out that scientific conclusions aren't based on what anybody wants?

There isn't any scientific conclusion that says we are related to chimps.

There isn't any scientific evidence that the transformations required can gained by genetic changes.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:05   

Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,09:02)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,16:55)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

What did today's extant tigers, leopards, and house cats descend from?

Show us the scientific evidence there was an original created feline "kind".  Show us the scientific evidence for a barrier making it impossible for one "kind" to evolve into another "kind".

You won't because such things don't exist except inside you ignorant YEC brain.

Joe loves teaze. It goes thus. Catz can't do dogz.

Whatever. All I know is that your position cannot explain the existence of cats nor dogs. It can't get beyond populations of prokaryotes and it had to be given those

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:05   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:01)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't, you scientifically illiterate freak.

It is up to the people claiming universal common descent to support their claim.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science


timmy ignores the evidence and the science

Oh Joe talking bout sex couzin  couzin couzin couzin  couzin couzin
And hiz motha while in her dress.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:05   

Science mandates those making the claim of universal common descent provide the evidence and mechanism for it. I know that it bothers you that you don't even have a mechanism for producing eukaryotes and as such your claim can't even be scientifically tested and relies solely on faith.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:06   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:59)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:55)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

I never made any YEC claims,

Joe Gallien, compulsive liar gets caught again.

 
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,10:31)

And as a matter of fact all observations and experiments support the Creation position of baraminology.


The Creation position of baraminology is the claim all extant species descended from the "kinds" on Noah's Ark.  Doesn't get more YEC than that moron.

Joke's ass must be made of asbestos for all the times his pants are on fire.  :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:07   

Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 13 2018,09:05)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:01)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't, you scientifically illiterate freak.

It is up to the people claiming universal common descent to support their claim.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science


timmy ignores the evidence and the science

Oh Joe talking bout sex couzin  couzin couzin couzin  couzin couzin
And hiz motha while in her dress.

Yes, I am sure that you have sex with your cousins, dog, cats, mother- well whoever and whatever you can tranquilize so they stay still long enough for you to sodomize.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:09   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:05)
Science mandates those making the claim of universal common descent provide the evidence and mechanism for it. I know that it bothers you that you don't even have a mechanism for producing eukaryotes and as such your claim can't even be scientifically tested and relies solely on faith.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science

Joe talkn about mandates.

Joe loves mandates.

He licks them.

He tastes them.

He blogs them.

Joe mandates mandates.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:09   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:59)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:55)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
       
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

I never made any YEC claims,

Joe Gallien, compulsive liar gets caught again.

   
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,10:31)

And as a matter of fact all observations and experiments support the Creation position of baraminology.

And as I have explained many, many times- that means limited descent with modification.

Science mandates those making the claim of universal common descent provide the evidence and mechanism for it. I know that it bothers you that you don't even have a mechanism for producing eukaryotes and as such your claim can't even be scientifically tested and relies solely on faith.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science

--------------
Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:10   

Science mandates those making the claim of universal common descent provide the evidence and mechanism for it. I know that it bothers you that you don't even have a mechanism for producing eukaryotes and as such your claim can't even be scientifically tested and relies solely on faith.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science


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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:11   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,09:01)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
       
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
       
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't,

Joke admits he has no evidence for ID-Creationism.  No evidence for created "kinds", no evidence for a magic barrier which makes evolution between "kinds" impossible.

Joe Gallien, just a scientifically impotent empty windbag.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

Whizz-dumb from Joe "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest female impersonator YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:12   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:09)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:06)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:59)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:55)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
       
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
       
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

I never made any YEC claims,

Joe Gallien, compulsive liar gets caught again.

   
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,10:31)

And as a matter of fact all observations and experiments support the Creation position of baraminology.

And as I have explained many, many times- that means limited descent with modification.

Science mandates those making the claim of universal common descent provide the evidence and mechanism for it. I know that it bothers you that you don't even have a mechanism for producing eukaryotes and as such your claim can't even be scientifically tested and relies solely on faith.

SCIENCE- Lenski's LTEE has nothing to do with ID but it does demonstrate the severe limits of evolution.

The paper waiting for two mutations is a dagger in the heart of universal Common Descent. And it tried to refute Dr Behe who said his edge was two mutations, meaning THREE were over it.

Sexual selection tends to keep the norm. Natural selection tends to weed out the outliers.


No mechanism to produce eukaryotes- more evidence for limited descent with modification

All science

Um hose in le diminutive u r a dumb cunt.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:13   

Hey Joe tell us all about licking mandates.

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Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:14   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:11)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,09:01)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
       
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
         
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't,

Joe admits he has no evidence for ID-Creationism.

ID-Creationism only exists in the minds of willfully ignorant evoTARDs.

I have posted plenty of evidence in support of ID- all of which you choked on like a willfully ignorant faggot.

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:14   

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none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

I never made any YEC claims,

Joe Gallien, compulsive liar gets caught again.

     
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,10:31)

And as a matter of fact all observations and experiments support the Creation position of baraminology.

And as I have explained many, many times- that means limited descent with modification.

Then tell us what original "kinds" extant species "limited descended" FROM

Do something more than fart and bluster and run from science for once in your willfully ignorant life.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:15   

Yes Intelligent Design is both testable and potentially falsifiable.

ID is based on three premises and the inference that follows (DeWolf et al., Darwinism, Design and Public Education, pg. 92):

Quote
1) High information content (or specified complexity) and irreducible complexity constitute strong indicators or hallmarks of (past) intelligent design.

2) Biological systems have a high information content (or specified complexity) and utilize subsystems that manifest irreducible complexity.

3) Naturalistic mechanisms or undirected causes do not suffice to explain the origin of information (specified complexity) or irreducible complexity.

4) Therefore, intelligent design constitutes the best explanations for the origin of information and irreducible complexity in biological systems.



There you have it- to falsify Intelligent Design all one has to do is demonstrate that natural selection can produce irreducibly complex biological systems as defined by Intelligent Design.

The criteria for inferring design in biology is, as Michael J. Behe, Professor of Biochemistry at Leheigh University, puts it in his book Darwin ‘ s Black Box: “Our ability to be confident of the design of the cilium or intracellular transport rests on the same principles to be confident of the design of anything: the ordering of separate components to achieve an identifiable function that depends sharply on the components.” That is the positive case.

The ATP Synthase is a system that consists of two subsystems-> one for the flow of protons down an electrochemical gradient from the exterior to the interior and the other (a rotary engine) that generates ATP from ADP using the energy liberated by proton flow. These two processes are totally unrelated from a purely physiochemical perspective*- meaning there isn’t any general principle of physics nor chemistry by which these two processes have anything to do with each other. Yet here they are.

How is this evidence for Intelligent Design? Cause and effect relationships as in designers often take two totally unrelated systems and integrate them into one. The ordering of separate subsystems to produce a specific effect that neither can do alone. And those subsystems are composed of the ordering of separate components to achieve a specified function.

ATP synthase is not reducible to chance and necessity and also meets the criteria of design.

So the truth is ID is scientific and evolutionism is not. Evos have no idea how to test the claim that ATP synthase evolved by means of natural selection, drift or any other blind and mindless process


Let the evoTARD ignoring of the evidence continue

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:16   

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none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't,

Joe admits he has no evidence for ID-Creationism.

ID-Creationism only exists in the minds of willfully ignorant evoTARDs.

I have posted plenty of evidence in support of ID- all of which you choked on like a willfully ignorant faggot.

Liar Joke runs from supporting his claims again.   :D

Fat cowardly and stupid is no way to go through life Joke. :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"I'm a female retired marine biologist"

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:16   

Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,17:14)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:11)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,09:01)
   
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
         
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
         
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't,

Joe admits he has no evidence for ID-Creationism.

ID-Creationism only exists in the minds of willfully ignorant evoTARDs.

I have posted plenty of evidence in support of ID- all of which you choked on like a willfully ignorant faggot.

Man date licker Joe inhales more than he can chew off.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:17   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:14)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,09:09)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:06)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:59)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:55)
       
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:45)
         
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
         
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Yet you told us all the scientific evidence supports Biblical created "kinds" which you called "originally designed archetypes".  

I told you that science supports limited descent with modification.

Ignoring the fact you're lying again about your previous YEC baraminology claims:

I never made any YEC claims,

Joe Gallien, compulsive liar gets caught again.

     
Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 24 2010,10:31)

And as a matter of fact all observations and experiments support the Creation position of baraminology.

And as I have explained many, many times- that means limited descent with modification.

Then tell us what original "kinds" extant species "limited descended" FROM

That is what SCIENCE is for, dumbass. Your position doesn't have any answers and yet your willfully ignorant and hypocritical ass wants ID to have ALL of the answers.

You are a pathetic little imp, timmy tutu

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2018,09:17   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:16)
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,09:14)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,09:11)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,09:01)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 13 2018,08:58)
       
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 13 2018,08:54)
           
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,21:43)
           
Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,21:00)
none of what I posted has anything to do with creation.

Post this overwhelming evidence that identifies the "kinds" and describe the barrier which is impossible for a "kind" to evolve across.

it is NOT up to anyone to demonstrate any barrier exists.

Yes it is

No, it isn't,

Joe admits he has no evidence for ID-Creationism.

ID-Creationism only exists in the minds of willfully ignorant evoTARDs.

I have posted plenty of evidence in support of ID- all of which you choked on like a willfully ignorant faggot.

Joe runs from supporting his claims again.   :D

Yes Intelligent Design is both testable and potentially falsifiable.

ID is based on three premises and the inference that follows (DeWolf et al., Darwinism, Design and Public Education, pg. 92):

Quote
1) High information content (or specified complexity) and irreducible complexity constitute strong indicators or hallmarks of (past) intelligent design.

2) Biological systems have a high information content (or specified complexity) and utilize subsystems that manifest irreducible complexity.

3) Naturalistic mechanisms or undirected causes do not suffice to explain the origin of information (specified complexity) or irreducible complexity.

4) Therefore, intelligent design constitutes the best explanations for the origin of information and irreducible complexity in biological systems.



There you have it- to falsify Intelligent Design all one has to do is demonstrate that natural selection can produce irreducibly complex biological systems as defined by Intelligent Design.

The criteria for inferring design in biology is, as Michael J. Behe, Professor of Biochemistry at Leheigh University, puts it in his book Darwin ‘ s Black Box: “Our ability to be confident of the design of the cilium or intracellular transport rests on the same principles to be confident of the design of anything: the ordering of separate components to achieve an identifiable function that depends sharply on the components.” That is the positive case.

The ATP Synthase is a system that consists of two subsystems-> one for the flow of protons down an electrochemical gradient from the exterior to the interior and the other (a rotary engine) that generates ATP from ADP using the energy liberated by proton flow. These two processes are totally unrelated from a purely physiochemical perspective*- meaning there isn’t any general principle of physics nor chemistry by which these two processes have anything to do with each other. Yet here they are.

How is this evidence for Intelligent Design? Cause and effect relationships as in designers often take two totally unrelated systems and integrate them into one. The ordering of separate subsystems to produce a specific effect that neither can do alone. And those subsystems are composed of the ordering of separate components to achieve a specified function.

ATP synthase is not reducible to chance and necessity and also meets the criteria of design.

So the truth is ID is scientific and evolutionism is not. Evos have no idea how to test the claim that ATP synthase evolved by means of natural selection, drift or any other blind and mindless process


Let the evoTARD ignoring of the evidence continue

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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