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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:10   

Weeee!

A category 3 shitstorm out of the clear blue, with a schizotypal creationist recluse rotating energetically at the core. Where's my shit hat?

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:13   

Too bad.  The effing new guy SuperScum is no fun at all.  All he does is reiterate old creo myths, and he's not as funny as FTK.  He's just as dumb as afdave IMO, so I say we throw him back into the pond, and wait for someone more interesting and educated.

The News Of The Day was ERV blogging about Dembski's pantsing and spanking at OU last night.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:27   

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Out of curiosity, and not particularly relevant to the thread as a whole.

1. How did you find here super?

2. Do you hate atheists, or do you just think they are wrong? There's a big difference, someone like Wes thinks atheists are, if only with their lack of belief, wrong, but don't hate us.
On the other hand, someone who considers atheists evil, or wicked AS A WHOLE, hates atheists.

I was browsing over at Brainstorms and saw a mention of this place.  I had never heard of it.  I'm glad I found it though...you guys are a riot.

No, I don't hate atheists....I used to be an unbeliever at one time myself.

"unbeliever".....tell me what bit of science fact caused you to become a YEC?

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- Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers.
- It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:28   

I duuno what cave you are reporting from caveman but SputemsWart does nÖt have the intelligence of d.t.

ÏM?ö nothing close to south of the Rïo1fiveZeroGrände.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Steverino



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,10:44   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 18 2007,10:10)
Weeee!

A category 3 shitstorm out of the clear blue, with a schizotypal creationist recluse rotating energetically at the core. Where's my shit hat?

OK....now that made me laugh!

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- Born right the first time.
- Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers.
- It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:05   

Now THIS is good!  A Senator suing "GOD"!

Good luck collecting from a myth.  What he should be doing is suing all the people perpetuating the myth... like the Pope, Dembksi and FTK.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20827350/?GT1=10357[B

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:14   

I wish someone would sue spineless invertebrate's

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:17   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 17 2007,23:32)
 
Quote (supersport @ Sep. 17 2007,23:29)
   
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Supersport does support SOME programs to help poor people:

     
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"In my opinion, if an animal in the wild like a swan is caught being gay it should be shot on sight, disinfected, and used to feed the poor."

supersport, carm [Comments (56)] 2006-Nov-21

yes, that is one of my personal favorites as well.....just trying to help out!

"Hey mom, what's for dinner?"

(Looks in oven)

"Awww, not gay swan again!"


"And it tastes like Listerine!"

"Don't whine, my little supersport, Listerine is necessary so that the others swans don't catch teh gay.  Besides this is safer than roadkill. Remember when pa was eatin' roadkill and got hit by that truck?"

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:24   

Ha ha ha (No really Tracy I cracked up...a lot)

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:26   

Supersport,

Try not to think about the time your pa ate teh gay swan.  Horrible, horrible contagion!

And don't listen to the listerine crap, stay strong.  Remember that no medicine actually works.  Medical science is merely an illusion created by Teh Man!

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG

And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:31   

Quote (blipey @ Sep. 18 2007,19:26)
Supersport,

Try not to think about the time your pa ate teh gay swan.  Horrible, horrible contagion!

And don't listen to the listerine crap, stay strong.  Remember that no medicine actually works.  Medical science is merely an illusion created by Teh Man!

thwp thwp thwp pit it out super gay swan sport-o-rito.

NOW

Don't listen to them.

We will give you (non gay)  mouth to mouth ...just to keep you alive for the ctrossT.


Chin up old man...not long to go now... only a fw more miles...to Calgary.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:31   

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hey, old man...if dinosaurs are 100 million years old, why are their bones found on the surface of the ground?....what's up with that?

You've heard about "erosion", right?

right....so how does encased rock get eroded off bones so that the bones are free and clear of it?  It takes scientists special tools, instruments and chemicals to get rock off bones.....yet you say rain can do it.  Go figure.   You can't count evidence that you can't see.  I see bones laying on the surface......you have no scientific explanation.

Rain CAN do it.

Are you seriously suggesting rain can't wash earth away similarly or better than tools?

Ye gods.

I read that wind can cause erosion.  By supersport thinking, that means rain couldn't have done it!

Another Darwinist contradiction!!!!one!!

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

"We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:34   

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Another Darwinist contradiction!!!!one!!


STOP TAHT FILTHY LANGUAGE i THINK i'M FALLING IN DARWINIST LUST.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,11:52   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 17 2007,23:45)
Well actually, the past 30 years have seen the biggest rise in degnerative diseases -- heart disease, cancer, MS, diabetes, alzheimer's, etc etc......none of which have cures and all of which are killing more and more and more people despite the trillions of dollars being pumped towards Big Medicine.

You missed out stupidity.

Bob

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,12:00   

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I can't stop reading that FSTDT page

 
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"I mean if modern day humans have been around for tens of thousands of years, then where are all the skyscrapers from years gone by? Where are all the books and artifacts? Where are the planes and cars?"

Supersport, Carm.org Discussion Forums [Comments (50)] 2006-Dec-05


Why didn't Jesus post on the internet?

Blessed are the geek, for they shall inherit the earth.

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

"We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,13:20   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,09:21)
I wouldn't necessarily call all atheists liars, but their problem is they simply cannot see the truth...consequently, untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality.

As it happens, PZ Myers addresses this over at his blog. Maybe it's because rocks and critters are more honest than creationists
   
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I've just come back from my introductory biology classroom in which I've been trying hard to convince students of an important historical fact: the scientists, especially the geologists, who came up with the idea that the earth was old were working in a Christian tradition, and they came up with their ideas because they needed to explain the evidence, not because they were driven by theological considerations or because they had been bribed by the Evil Atheist Conspiracy. Sometimes you just have to put them in the shoes of a geologist in 1850 to get them to see the true motives.

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It's a sign of the degeneracy of the modern creationist that instead of grappling with these questions honestly, as the 19th century creationists/natural historians did, they instead simply deny the existence of the evidence.


I like that last line "It's a sign of the degeneracy of the modern creationist". People like SuperSport and slimy Sal just don't get it.

SuperSport, please do tell me how you deal with believers like those Creationist geologists coming up with the exact opposite conclusion that you base your life on?
I mean, I somehow doubt you've gone out and dug down to the "fludde" layer with a shovel. I doubt you've got your hands dirty at all and simply repeat the mantras AIG hand out.

Now, the post I quote of yours says      
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untruths and wild guessing get passed over as reality


Earlier in this thread you say that you've proof that dino and man lived together. When I disputed that you said:
   
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old man -- that's not an explanation -- that's a belief -- the reality is these bones were found together.  The observable evidence is on my side.


Yet the website itself, on the very next page says
   
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The last of the dinosaurs died out 60 million years before the first modern human ever walked the earth

Why don't the people who made the earth shattering discovery that dino and man lived side by side even note it on their own website?

Seems like there is only one dishonest person here. And it's you, supersport.

More likely the type of people you generally deal with supersport don't click on the links you give them.

Y'see you've got to at least dress up your religion in some actual science talk to at least have a chance at passing muster.
Fer Instance
   
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The most impressive and irrefutable evidence that dinosaurs co-habited the earth with man is found in the book of Job. Evolutionists have never adequately explained the mystifying remarks made by Job, who lived this side of Noah's Flood, where he speaks of "behemoth" and "leviathan" -- two huge creatures, one dwelling in the seas, and one upon the land. YEHOVAH God says to Job, "Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee" -- evidently created at the same time man was (Job 40:15)

   
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For example, the first mention of the animal creation refers to such animals. 'God created great whales' (Gen.1:21). The word translated whales in the King James is often translated sea monsters in other versions. In most other passages, however, the word is translated dragons or sometimes serpents. It apparently was meant to identify the animals called a dragon in other nations.

http://hope-of-israel.org/dinosaur.htm

I mean, if crazy is your thing, go all the way. Don't hold back now.

BTW, what is it you do for a living Supersport, as you left "for work" earlier. What standards of proof do you hold them too?

"Sorry I'm late"

"LATE?LATE? I challenge you to show me ONE instance of lateness ever documented in the history of this company that has created a new, beneficial, selectable lateness addition to an existing clock orientated part"

"Err. Cup of tea?"

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:03   

I see that the category 3 shitstorm has left the building.

So, sport, when you return, please don't continue to ignore this query, which seems to have disappeared under the deluge of geological claims and counterclaims.
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Please give me a reason why I should accept this opinion  
   
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Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

I suspect that if you can actually do this, you will quiet many of your critics here!

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:11   

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gotta go to work.  Have fun.

Sure, well, I doubt we'll be seeing you again.

If you do come back, the same unanswered questions will be here waiting for you.

If I get time i'll wrap them up into a single post you can ignore.

ironic since no one has answered OP....or even tried.

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:18   

Hey just for fun...how about someone give me a scientifically-controlled experiment verifying natural selection in animals.  That's a fairytale as well, you know....which makes both RM AND NS fairytales.  Prove me wrong.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:25   

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Hey just for fun...how about someone give me a scientifically-controlled experiment verifying natural selection in animals.  That's a fairytale as well, you know....which makes both RM AND NS fairytales.  Prove me wrong.

Would you settle for an enema? Seems more to the point.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
- David Foster Wallace

"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
- Barry Arrington

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:27   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 18 2007,14:03)
I see that the category 3 shitstorm has left the building.

So, sport, when you return, please don't continue to ignore this query, which seems to have disappeared under the deluge of geological claims and counterclaims.  
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Please give me a reason why I should accept this opinion  
   
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Therefore, life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

I suspect that if you can actually do this, you will quiet many of your critics here!

every phenotypic modification and every piece of new morphology stems from mental processes.  For example, and I gave this earlier, a flea can create a new spine for itself in the presence of predators.

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/cover  (pg.2)

Changes in morphology, thus, must come not from changes in genes, but changes in the mind.   Since this is true, genetic change (aka materialism) does not explain how we got here morphologically......the mind/mental processes do.   But we can't make ourselves...thus, we must have been created by a mind other than our own.  I'm not going to get too much into this because I realize you don't really care to hear it.

  
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:38   

Interesting, Supersport.

Could you use your own vast mental powers to grow yourself a backbone and answer some questions?

Why or why not?

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG

And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

   
blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,14:40   

Surely your mental powers must be greater than that of a flea?  Or is there more informationality in a flea than in a supersport?

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG

And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

   
Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:00   

To silence the whining about "nobody has answered the challenge in my opening post", I can pull an old trick from the ID crowd's quiver, i.e. Go Read A Book.  But in this case it will actually answer the challenge.

Endless Forms Most beautiful, by Sean Carroll, has several examples of this. One of them is a mutation in the regulatory sequence of a gene that give more pigmentation to a section of a fruit fly wing. Since fruit flies use their wings in mating displays, a change in the pigmentation can have profound effects on mating success. But Carroll describes a phylogenetic tree showing how this mutation occurred, when it occurred, and the resulting speciation events that occurred. So here is an example of what sporty wanted    
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ONE mutation ever documented in the history of science that has created a new, beneficial, selectable morphological addition to an existing body part.    .    .    .    (a mutation that alters physical, outward appearance in a beneficial way. )

Now it's your turn, sport. Support this assertion - life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

Your previously cited article from Discover magazine does not do this, BTW. It does represent some serious goalpost shifting; I particularly liked the slippage of "life" to a "spine on a flea". Oh, and another thing, Daphnia are not really fleas. Oh, and another thing, the spine appeared in response to predation, which is not the same thing as "mental processes".

So, read that book by Sean Carroll; it will be good for you. But don't forget to come back here and defend the goalposts you set up originally. Give us an example of positive, scientific evidence for mental processes generating life.

thanks in advance.

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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blipey



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:06   

I have an extra copy of the book, supersport.  Tell me where to send it.

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But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG

And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

   
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:10   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 17 2007,22:32)
I have a very simple challenge to evolutionists.    

I challenge evolutionists to show me ONE mutation ever documented in the history of science that has created a new, beneficial, selectable morphological addition to an existing body part.    .    .    .    (a mutation that alters physical, outward appearance in a beneficial way. ) For example, the eye was said to have evolved by way of numerous mutations, each mutation adding on to what previous mutations (plus selection) had added before.  

Please keep in mind that there are mutations that duplicate existing structures, mutations that reduce existing structures, mutations that deform organisms, and mutations that cause disease and death.    .    .    .    Unfortunately for Darwinists, however, mutations can add nothing beneficial to the observable phenotype, which is the cornerstone of ToE.    

This is my claim. . this is my challenge. . . and this challenge has not yet been answered by anyone.    

Knowing this, it is my opinion that the theory of evolution is little more than a wacky metaphysical belief, much like astrology or palm reading.    

The floor is open!

In answer to the OP I submit toes!

However, it seems like you have an answer to everything, judging from the other forums you are infesting.
 
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SuperSport: but there's never any beneificial novelty....how could bat sonar form from an animal that didn't have it? How could arms and legs and beaks and feathers and scales and antennas and organs and everything else form from animals that didn't have them? ToE simply has no explanation for the random origin of selectable morphological novelty. Period.

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums....ount=58
Seems you like to spread it around. How long were you going to hold back with that blockbuster?

Anyway, horse toes. It's a mutation that alters the physical outward appearance and obviously it's beneficial (I mean that "obviously" in the same way you misuse "probably").

There is lots of good stuff about it, but here

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/ponyexpress/pony11_1/Pe111.html
 
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Probably the most well-known atavism is polydactyly of modern horses (photo to right). This condition is similar to the extra toes found in many of the three-toed fossil horses including Archaeohippus, Parahippus, Merychippus and Neohipparion. According to historical records, the prized horses of Alexander the Great (Bucephalos) and Julius Caesar had extra toes. Although Stephen J. Gould discussed polydactyly of horses in his book "Hen's Teeth and Horses Toes" and there are numerous accounts in the scientific literature, in my 40 years of owning horses (I am telling my age now!!) I have only seen this phenomenon once in a yearling Quarter Horse. Various forms of polydactyly are seen in humans usually in association with certain genetic disorders and in the famous six-toed Hemingway cats from Key West, Florida.

An eyewitness account! You hold alot by them, at least when it's then written down, so do you believe yet?  :p

And other good stuff here about exactly what you are asking for in the OP. That do?
The Branching Bush of Horse Evolution
 
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Evolution is truly an amazing phenomenon; who would have ever conceived of a small, four-toed animal giving rise to Black Beauty? Our overall conception of “more” being better may even make such a move from four toes to one seem counterintuitive, yet the evidence (from fossils to that of development) is clear in its implications. Horses did not spring up out of the ground from the dust, nor were they “spoken into being” by an omnipotent power that decided that Adam should have a faithful steed.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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jeannot



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:12   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,14:18)
Hey just for fun...how about someone give me a scientifically-controlled experiment verifying natural selection in animals.  That's a fairytale as well, you know....which makes both RM AND NS fairytales.  Prove me wrong.

Have you tried to look for yourself? I mean really?

You should, it would save us some time.

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:12   

Quote (blipey @ Sep. 18 2007,14:38)
Interesting, Supersport.

Could you use your own vast mental powers to grow yourself a backbone and answer some questions?

Why or why not?

I don't know about a backbone, but amazing things can be accomplished during development.

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:13   

Quote (supersport @ Sep. 18 2007,15:12)
Quote (blipey @ Sep. 18 2007,14:38)
Interesting, Supersport.

Could you use your own vast mental powers to grow yourself a backbone and answer some questions?

Why or why not?

I don't know about a backbone, but amazing things can be accomplished during development.

very Zen. Get that from a cracker?

Edit: wAx on?


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
supersport



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 18 2007,15:14   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Sep. 18 2007,15:00)
To silence the whining about "nobody has answered the challenge in my opening post", I can pull an old trick from the ID crowd's quiver, i.e. Go Read A Book.  But in this case it will actually answer the challenge.

Endless Forms Most beautiful, by Sean Carroll, has several examples of this. One of them is a mutation in the regulatory sequence of a gene that give more pigmentation to a section of a fruit fly wing. Since fruit flies use their wings in mating displays, a change in the pigmentation can have profound effects on mating success. But Carroll describes a phylogenetic tree showing how this mutation occurred, when it occurred, and the resulting speciation events that occurred. So here is an example of what sporty wanted        
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ONE mutation ever documented in the history of science that has created a new, beneficial, selectable morphological addition to an existing body part.    .    .    .    (a mutation that alters physical, outward appearance in a beneficial way. )

Now it's your turn, sport. Support this assertion - life must have appeared instantly by way of mental processes.

Please make this some sort of positive evidence from the scientific, peer-reviewed literature, rather than negative evidence such as a criticism of evolutionary theory.

Your previously cited article from Discover magazine does not do this, BTW. It does represent some serious goalpost shifting; I particularly liked the slippage of "life" to a "spine on a flea". Oh, and another thing, Daphnia are not really fleas. Oh, and another thing, the spine appeared in response to predation, which is not the same thing as "mental processes".

So, read that book by Sean Carroll; it will be good for you. But don't forget to come back here and defend the goalposts you set up originally. Give us an example of positive, scientific evidence for mental processes generating life.

thanks in advance.

I would like a page number or a site on the net explaining this....also, just a bit of a nitpick, I was looking for something that would make the animal more physically selectable because of fitness, not more attractive to the opposite sex.  Attractiveness is a subjective thing, ultimately up to the whims of a female....hardly scientific.

edit: I looked that up...there is no mutation here....the pigmentation comes as a result of a hormone binding to a protein.   The mutation is an inference, not something scientifically verified.

  
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