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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2019,12:33   

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grounded oughts


Is that a breakfast cereal?

Yeah, they're feeling their oughts.

On reflection, I've concluded that what this really means is the General Confession has discovered that the oughts have been naughty and have left undone those things which they ought to have done, and have done those things which they ought not to have done; so Mr Leathers has grounded them for a week.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2019,13:16   

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BB, perhaps you should check my sources a little more carefully???


Combining a Gish gallop fallacy and an argument from authority fallacy at the same time. I am impressed. But, no thanks. I have better things to do with my time.

However, if you are willing to make a concise argument, in your own words, I will respond to it. Until then, I will continue to follow my own advice and ignore you.

BA77 Don't grok concise or any of dem other werds. On the other hand if you were to ask for bibliomancy and quantum diarrhea he'll give you that all day long.

you'll get that even if you don't ask.

I just wish him and kf would amp things up a bit with things like "Gravity wave detectors too course for findng Jesus ripples". Even though LIGO  can measure the distance to the nearest star (some 4.2 light years) to an accuracy smaller than the width of a human hair it hasn't a hope in hell of measuring a Jesus wave, not because as Athiests claim Gods dont exist but besause when KF & Ba77 were kids everyone told them to believe in myths and they were too chicken shit to think otherwise. They lack commitment arguing from hollow egos knowingly purgering themselves.

Jesus F Christ, scientists want another 24 Billion Euro to replace the LHC by 2050 surely ID can get a mere fraction of that much to prove evolution wrong.

Is a Jesus Wave like a Mexican Wave, only with loaves and fishes instead of tacos?

And carried on Mexican radio...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,00:13   

Did someone say Mexican Radio?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,10:04   

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Darwinians don’t like ecology much

Where do you get these ideas from?


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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,10:07   

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Perhaps, it escaped your notice that there were dozens of eyewitnesses to the relevant event, many of whom are still here four years later?

None of which have come forth to give us testimony here. This is what we have:

1) you honestly believe that you witnessed a demonic possession that resulted in levitation.

2) there were a dozen other people present when you witnessed this.

3) none of these witnesses have provided independent testimony. All we have is your assertion that they saw exactly what you saw and believe as you do.

4) we know that eyewitness testimony is incredibly unreliable.

5) so, what we have is one eyewitness account, not thirteen.

This reminds me of another claim that you have made. The one about there being 500 witnesses to Christ’s resurrection. When, in fact, there is only one main account of the 500 witnesses, by one person, written approximately 20 years after his death. That is one account, not 500. Now, that one account may be completely accurate, as yours may be, but it gains no more credence by saying there were a dozen other witnesses or 500, unless you can present twelve independent accounts (preferably documented) or 500, all you have is a single account.

So, both accounts, have the same credibility (or less) than the eyewitness accounts of alien abduction. Alien abductions, by the way, have been claimed and documented by over a dozen people. Over a dozen independent and independently documented accounts. Unless you are willing to give the veracity of alien abduction equal credence than the veracity of your levitation account, then you are the one being selectively hyperskeptical.

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Brother Brian July 4, 2019 at 9:28 pm
SA, I have not read any books on demonic possession or exorcism, other than fiction. I also have not read any books on zombies, angels and witches, other than fiction. In this case I think the burden of proof is on those who claim that demonic possession is real, not on those who don’t. So far, all KF has presented is that a person held down by the pelvis raised his torso. And 12 other anonymous people saw this miraculous event. And nobody took video (exorcism porn). Not exactly a compelling testimony.

The question I have is how do you distinguish between mental illness, which afflicts a significant portion of humanity, and demonic possession?


linky

Edited by stevestory on July 05 2019,11:09

   
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,10:37   

Mind-boggling discussion of demons and levitation and the "selective hyperskepticsm" of those who aren't open to believing in such (therefore, God). We don't all experience demons because they want to be hidden! Crackpot city.

And, cautions kf, one should stay away from Ouija boards.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,10:45   

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Mind-boggling discussion of demons and levitation and the "selective hyperskepticsm" of those who aren't open to believing in such (therefore, God). We don't all experience demons because they want to be hidden! Crackpot city.

And, cautions kf, one should stay away from Ouija boards.

Link

it's July and the ID "science journal" has published zip in 2019 which, considering the furious rate of scientific results we see over at UD, is a baffling fuckin' mystery.  :D  :)  :p

   
KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,11:47   

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Perhaps, it escaped your notice that there were dozens of eyewitnesses to the relevant event, many of whom are still here four years later?

None of which have come forth to give us testimony here. This is what we have:

1) you honestly believe that you witnessed a demonic possession that resulted in levitation.

2) there were a dozen other people present when you witnessed this.

3) none of these witnesses have provided independent testimony. All we have is your assertion that they saw exactly what you saw and believe as you do.

4) we know that eyewitness testimony is incredibly unreliable.

5) so, what we have is one eyewitness account, not thirteen.

This reminds me of another claim that you have made. The one about there being 500 witnesses to Christ’s resurrection. When, in fact, there is only one main account of the 500 witnesses, by one person, written approximately 20 years after his death. That is one account, not 500. Now, that one account may be completely accurate, as yours may be, but it gains no more credence by saying there were a dozen other witnesses or 500, unless you can present twelve independent accounts (preferably documented) or 500, all you have is a single account.

So, both accounts, have the same credibility (or less) than the eyewitness accounts of alien abduction. Alien abductions, by the way, have been claimed and documented by over a dozen people. Over a dozen independent and independently documented accounts. Unless you are willing to give the veracity of alien abduction equal credence than the veracity of your levitation account, then you are the one being selectively hyperskeptical.

 
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Brother Brian July 4, 2019 at 9:28 pm
SA, I have not read any books on demonic possession or exorcism, other than fiction. I also have not read any books on zombies, angels and witches, other than fiction. In this case I think the burden of proof is on those who claim that demonic possession is real, not on those who don’t. So far, all KF has presented is that a person held down by the pelvis raised his torso. And 12 other anonymous people saw this miraculous event. And nobody took video (exorcism porn). Not exactly a compelling testimony.

The question I have is how do you distinguish between mental illness, which afflicts a significant portion of humanity, and demonic possession?


linky

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,13:01   

They are getting even crazier. How? How is that possible?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,14:28   

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Axel July 5, 2019 at 1:09 pm
It is what happens when atheists try to plagiarise – inevitbly slavishly – intelligent design advocate, Einstein ; as atheist Communists do Christianity, also without the most minimal attribution.

Einstein apparently remarked that simplicity should be sought, but not at the expense of common sense, not beyond reason. He also remarked that the criterion he used for his initial hypotheses was aesthetic, but to mention that to atheists is asking for trouble, since it is a concept only people with an understanding that all things and our understanding of them are interconnected, could make sense of.

It is not subject to physical analysis under laboratory conditions – or any other for that matter. But notice how they affect to despise intelligent design, but want any of that ‘mojo’ Einstein might have bequeathed the scientific community.


To be fair, he's better at English than I am at Bantu or Nahuatl or whatever the fuck language he translated that from.  :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,20:54   

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Let us imagine we have discovered the largest prime number so far. Whatever it is. Now, is it possible that there is another prime number larger than this, in the infinite set larger? There are a few answers:
1. Yes, it is possible. But how do we know this? To say that it is possible is to say “yes the number exists”. Obviously, if such a number is definitely possible (that we know it is possible) in an infinite range of possibilities, then the number necessarily exists. We might say that “it is possible for the conditions that create a prime number to exist are present in an infinite string”. To me, that sounds reasonable. But it’s still a guess. I think it’s strongly-supported. In an infinite collection of numbers, would the conditions exist for a prime number to appear? Why would it be impossible for that to occur?
 
Is it possible that this twit has never heard of Euler's proof that there are an infinite number of primes?
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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,22:03   

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Let us imagine we have discovered the largest prime number so far. Whatever it is. Now, is it possible that there is another prime number larger than this, in the infinite set larger? There are a few answers:
1. Yes, it is possible. But how do we know this? To say that it is possible is to say “yes the number exists”. Obviously, if such a number is definitely possible (that we know it is possible) in an infinite range of possibilities, then the number necessarily exists. We might say that “it is possible for the conditions that create a prime number to exist are present in an infinite string”. To me, that sounds reasonable. But it’s still a guess. I think it’s strongly-supported. In an infinite collection of numbers, would the conditions exist for a prime number to appear? Why would it be impossible for that to occur?
 
Is it possible that this twit has never heard of Euler's proof that there are an infinite number of primes?
Link

I Believe Euler also had a proof of the UD regulars not knowing something related to whatever they're opining on.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,23:02   

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Darwinians don’t like ecology much

Where do you get these ideas from?


linky


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(Permalink) Posted: July 05 2019,23:21   

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Let us imagine we have discovered the largest prime number so far. Whatever it is. Now, is it possible that there is another prime number larger than this, in the infinite set larger? There are a few answers:
1. Yes, it is possible. But how do we know this? To say that it is possible is to say “yes the number exists”. Obviously, if such a number is definitely possible (that we know it is possible) in an infinite range of possibilities, then the number necessarily exists. We might say that “it is possible for the conditions that create a prime number to exist are present in an infinite string”. To me, that sounds reasonable. But it’s still a guess. I think it’s strongly-supported. In an infinite collection of numbers, would the conditions exist for a prime number to appear? Why would it be impossible for that to occur?
 
Is it possible that this twit has never heard of Euler's proof that there are an infinite number of primes?
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IMNSHO, Euclid's proof looks simpler than Euler's. It doesn't depend on another theorem that a non-mathematician would be likely to have to look up as well.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2019,03:00   

I meant Euclid.  When I read Silver Asiatic's question, I had to Google "infinite primes proof" to make sure I hadn't hallucinated 8th grade algebra.  That was the first time I heard of Euler's proof, but since my mind was severely damaged by reading that thread, his name jammed into it.  I wonder if Silver ever made it to 8th grade.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2019,09:05   

UD puts up a dumb climate thread, Seversky responds with some basic facts from NASA climate science, and BatShit77 babbles cut-and-paste from, I kid you not,

Code Sample
https://americaoutloud.com/the-biggest-lie-ever-told-man-made-global-warming/

https://www.heritage.org/environment/commentary/follow-the-climate-change-money

The truth about global warming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA5sGtj7QKQ

https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/pop-quiz-for-climatistas/#comment-650163

https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/should-research-funding-agencies-move-resources-away-from-particle-physics-to-fighting-cli
mate-change/#comment-674366

https://drtimball.ca/2013/why-and-how-the-ipcc-demonized-co2-with-manufactured-information/

https://co2insanity.com/2011/09/04/top-scientists-in-heated-debate-over-%E2%80%98-slaying-of-greenhouse-gas-theory/


I am actually surprised he didn't mention the Shroud of Turin for once :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2019,09:09   

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I meant Euclid.  When I read Silver Asiatic's question, I had to Google "infinite primes proof" to make sure I hadn't hallucinated 8th grade algebra.  That was the first time I heard of Euler's proof, but since my mind was severely damaged by reading that thread, his name jammed into it.  I wonder if Silver ever made it to 8th grade.

Having had many run ins with 8th grader child Bible floggers I'm guessing ille erat optimum in anno simia in Asia

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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2019,16:42   

KF is now clogging up brother Brian's comments with so much bold-faced gibberish I'm amazed BB hasn't said anything yet.

linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 06 2019,17:59   

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KF is now clogging up brother Brian's comments with so much bold-faced gibberish I'm amazed BB hasn't said anything yet.

linky

Damn, that was fun. The ravings of a paranoid professional victim.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2019,16:21   

I'm having my eyes opened! Here's a real quote from Silver Asiatic, and kudos to Brother Brian for taking the conversation seriously and revealing all this. Here's an example.

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Whether they [temptations] come from demons or our own weakness, it doesn’t matter. However, if a person is struggling with a temptation and begins to question his own integrity and commitment to doing good, it can be very helpful to realize that the temptation may not be coming from his weaker, animal-self, but from a spiritual enemy. In that case, some spiritual weapons (prayer, fasting) should be used to help fight off the temptation.


  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 07 2019,16:57   

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I'm having my eyes opened! Here's a real quote from Silver Asiatic, and kudos to Brother Brian for taking the conversation seriously and revealing all this. Here's an example.

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Whether they [temptations] come from demons or our own weakness, it doesn’t matter. However, if a person is struggling with a temptation and begins to question his own integrity and commitment to doing good, it can be very helpful to realize that the temptation may not be coming from his weaker, animal-self, but from a spiritual enemy. In that case, some spiritual weapons (prayer, fasting) should be used to help fight off the temptation.


So that's what killed all those people at Jonestown, demons.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,02:33   

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KF is now clogging up brother Brian's comments with so much bold-faced gibberish I'm amazed BB hasn't said anything yet.

linky

He did:
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July 6, 2019 at 4:15 pm

KF@185 & 186, thank you for the childish insertions in my comments. I would complain but I think that they make my case far more than they make yours. I am happy to let the readers decide on their own.

After which kf tried a gain in a couple of posts by BB and SA, and was politely ignored.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,06:05   

A contribution from KFabulist:

“This draws out from K to D or T/M then S4 and S5 which allow reduction of modal strings, S5 being in effect, cut down to the last modal operator before a claim A. Also, the route from T/M via S4 + B –> S5, is explored. B is the difference between S4 and S5. Let’s use for convenience N: and P: for necessity and possibility, and use –> for it follows logically that.”

I have asked at UD if anyone has an explanation of what this passage means. Perhaps someone here might be able to parse it.

In my opinion, this is what you get from someone living on a volcanic island, shaking his hoary locks and howling at the Moon.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,11:26   

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A contribution from KFabulist:

“This draws out from K to D or T/M then S4 and S5 which allow reduction of modal strings, S5 being in effect, cut down to the last modal operator before a claim A. Also, the route from T/M via S4 + B –> S5, is explored. B is the difference between S4 and S5. Let’s use for convenience N: and P: for necessity and possibility, and use –> for it follows logically that.”

I have asked at UD if anyone has an explanation of what this passage means. Perhaps someone here might be able to parse it.

In my opinion, this is what you get from someone living on a volcanic island, shaking his hoary locks and howling at the Moon.

He's channeling Professor Irwin Corey.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,11:39   

Quote (timothya @ July 08 2019,06:05)
A contribution from KFabulist:

“This draws out from K to D or T/M then S4 and S5 which allow reduction of modal strings, S5 being in effect, cut down to the last modal operator before a claim A. Also, the route from T/M via S4 + B –> S5, is explored. B is the difference between S4 and S5. Let’s use for convenience N: and P: for necessity and possibility, and use –> for it follows logically that.”

I have asked at UD if anyone has an explanation of what this passage means. Perhaps someone here might be able to parse it.

In my opinion, this is what you get from someone living on a volcanic island, shaking his hoary locks and howling at the Moon.


Clearly the text version of this.




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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,12:29   

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A contribution from KFabulist:

“This draws out from K to D or T/M then S4 and S5 which allow reduction of modal strings, S5 being in effect, cut down to the last modal operator before a claim A. Also, the route from T/M via S4 + B –> S5, is explored. B is the difference between S4 and S5. Let’s use for convenience N: and P: for necessity and possibility, and use –> for it follows logically that.”

I have asked at UD if anyone has an explanation of what this passage means. Perhaps someone here might be able to parse it.

In my opinion, this is what you get from someone living on a volcanic island, shaking his hoary locks and howling at the Moon.


Clearly the text version of this.



I would like to suggest that perhaps "clearly" may not be the word you were looking for.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,12:50   

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Well, as of today we still have no idea if anything really “exists” in a material sense of way. As one digs down to quantum mechanics, the only entities which “exist” are the mathematical rules and equations combined with a random number generator. And then on top of it there is consciousness, which again we have no idea what that is. We know that the set of mathematical rules guiding this universe is rather intricate and purposeful towards enabling the machinery of life… To me it all looks rather suspicious, making for a very good possibility that our world is indeed someone else’s engineering creation. Now, whether it is a pure computer-like simulation or some kind of an physical reality-based concept, it does not really matter. What matter is if there is someone “out there” with the ability to control the random number generator at the heart of QM. That entity would then be in complete control of all the events in our world, no matter how improbable.


Kinda amazed this post has been up on this thread for almost 2 days and BS77 hasn't been compelled to C&P 17,000 words of quantum gibberish yet.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,14:58   

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Well, as of today we still have no idea if anything really “exists” in a material sense of way. As one digs down to quantum mechanics, the only entities which “exist” are the mathematical rules and equations combined with a random number generator. And then on top of it there is consciousness, which again we have no idea what that is. We know that the set of mathematical rules guiding this universe is rather intricate and purposeful towards enabling the machinery of life… To me it all looks rather suspicious, making for a very good possibility that our world is indeed someone else’s engineering creation. Now, whether it is a pure computer-like simulation or some kind of an physical reality-based concept, it does not really matter. What matter is if there is someone “out there” with the ability to control the random number generator at the heart of QM. That entity would then be in complete control of all the events in our world, no matter how improbable.


Kinda amazed this post has been up on this thread for almost 2 days and BS77 hasn't been compelled to C&P 17,000 words of quantum gibberish yet.

Who else is thinking of the Donald Sutherland scene in "Animal House"?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,16:07   

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Eugene July 6, 2019 at 11:23 pm
Well, as of today we still have no idea if anything really “exists” in a material sense of way. As one digs down to quantum mechanics, the only entities which “exist” are the mathematical rules and equations combined with a random number generator. And then on top of it there is consciousness, which again we have no idea what that is. We know that the set of mathematical rules guiding this universe is rather intricate and purposeful towards enabling the machinery of life… To me it all looks rather suspicious, making for a very good possibility that our world is indeed someone else’s engineering creation. Now, whether it is a pure computer-like simulation or some kind of an physical reality-based concept, it does not really matter. What matter is if there is someone “out there” with the ability to control the random number generator at the heart of QM. That entity would then be in complete control of all the events in our world, no matter how improbable.


Kinda amazed this post has been up on this thread for almost 2 days and BS77 hasn't been compelled to C&P 17,000 words of quantum gibberish yet.

Bs77 is probably too busy *really* looking at his hand.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 08 2019,17:10   

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Eugene July 6, 2019 at 11:23 pm
Well, as of today we still have no idea if anything really “exists” in a material sense of way. As one digs down to quantum mechanics, the only entities which “exist” are the mathematical rules and equations combined with a random number generator. And then on top of it there is consciousness, which again we have no idea what that is. We know that the set of mathematical rules guiding this universe is rather intricate and purposeful towards enabling the machinery of life… To me it all looks rather suspicious, making for a very good possibility that our world is indeed someone else’s engineering creation. Now, whether it is a pure computer-like simulation or some kind of an physical reality-based concept, it does not really matter. What matter is if there is someone “out there” with the ability to control the random number generator at the heart of QM. That entity would then be in complete control of all the events in our world, no matter how improbable.


Kinda amazed this post has been up on this thread for almost 2 days and BS77 hasn't been compelled to C&P 17,000 words of quantum gibberish yet.

Who else is thinking of the Donald Sutherland scene in "Animal House"?

I assume that you are not referring to the scene where he shows his bare butt.

  
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