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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2019,20:41   

Is anyone keeping track of the flounces? What is this, 17? 18?

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2019,20:49   

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 17 2019,20:41)
Is anyone keeping track of the flounces? What is this, 17? 18?

You seriously are an asshole.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2019,03:51   

A part of my current problem was success in (as far as we know) never done before tracksite experiments that control the 100,000 PSI force of freezing water to frack/separate paper-thin trace fossil layers that can (when well weather worn) be lifted by hand and read through like a book.

The project became months of making almost never ending emergency changes before a catastrophic freeze-up destroys the $350 circulation pump or other vital parts of an experimental system that has constantly had to change in response to what was learned from previous experiments. The physical labor in slippery frostbite conditions was often painful, but worthwhile. It's what I want and right now need to do. Horizontal water flow between the two boreholes and out sides of the two 20x20 foot blocks of bedrock has provided useful information regarding what goes on (to a depth of three feet) below the surface, of at least my chunk of the East Berlin Formation.

To keep 0 C water flowing fast enough to not freeze I'm now running a low friction 3/4 inch re-circulation loop through ~300 gallon "spray pond" basin used for chilling. Upon reaching freezing point the basin is iced over in all but most turbulent areas. A 12 volt valve (outlet has soft plastic 3/8 inch barb that gets pressed into the borehole) then automatically opens, allowing water to fill the horizontal voids. Cold air at the surface of the tracksite then has a chance to wet-freeze a foot or so deep into the bedrock, causing freeze-thaw cycle separation of layers that are normally too dry for internal weathering to occur.

With more science projects going on than I can ever finish before I drop dead from old age: my gripe is from being expected to on my own try to describe what fans out to thousands of pages of information into a few short pages that has to get published for free because I'm on my own for the funding of everything and don't have a few thousand bucks for that too! I'm expected to stop all the work on the never done before things that must be done or research work stops elsewhere, for theory that has already been well enough spelled out to at this point should be considered done and over with.

It's unreasonable to expect more and more from me without anyone even explaining how the hell to even structure a theory like this for a lab research type "paper" format. If I had known then the theory would have been published in a journal by now. In that case my constantly having to defend myself was a major setback, for what others believe is important even though it's the same as was already said and made sense to those who are able to fairly judge cognitive theory like that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2019,04:01   

And I just noticed an extra zero in "100,000 PSI" figure that is normally 10,000 or more but not that much. Once again I have been up all night monitoring the system and will pay for it even more after a long day at work, to help pay the bills.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2019,18:57   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 18 2019,03:51)
A part of my current problem was success in (as far as we know) never done before tracksite experiments that control the 100,000 PSI force of freezing water to frack/separate paper-thin trace fossil layers that can (when well weather worn) be lifted by hand and read through like a book.

The project became months of making almost never ending emergency changes before a catastrophic freeze-up destroys the $350 circulation pump or other vital parts of an experimental system that has constantly had to change in response to what was learned from previous experiments. The physical labor in slippery frostbite conditions was often painful, but worthwhile. It's what I want and right now need to do. Horizontal water flow between the two boreholes and out sides of the two 20x20 foot blocks of bedrock has provided useful information regarding what goes on (to a depth of three feet) below the surface, of at least my chunk of the East Berlin Formation.

To keep 0 C water flowing fast enough to not freeze I'm now running a low friction 3/4 inch re-circulation loop through ~300 gallon "spray pond" basin used for chilling. Upon reaching freezing point the basin is iced over in all but most turbulent areas. A 12 volt valve (outlet has soft plastic 3/8 inch barb that gets pressed into the borehole) then automatically opens, allowing water to fill the horizontal voids. Cold air at the surface of the tracksite then has a chance to wet-freeze a foot or so deep into the bedrock, causing freeze-thaw cycle separation of layers that are normally too dry for internal weathering to occur.

With more science projects going on than I can ever finish before I drop dead from old age: my gripe is from being expected to on my own try to describe what fans out to thousands of pages of information into a few short pages that has to get published for free because I'm on my own for the funding of everything and don't have a few thousand bucks for that too! I'm expected to stop all the work on the never done before things that must be done or research work stops elsewhere, for theory that has already been well enough spelled out to at this point should be considered done and over with.

It's unreasonable to expect more and more from me without anyone even explaining how the hell to even structure a theory like this for a lab research type "paper" format. If I had known then the theory would have been published in a journal by now. In that case my constantly having to defend myself was a major setback, for what others believe is important even though it's the same as was already said and made sense to those who are able to fairly judge cognitive theory like that.

Congratulations, it sounds like you've found something that is worthwhile and a use of your skills.

"Even though I know the theory is very true"
As we've all noted before, the originator of an idea is not the person who gets to decide whether it is a theory, nor to declare that it is "true".  Everybody thinks their pet hypothesis is correct, but the scientific method demands that the proposer provide some evidence that is sufficient to convince OTHER PEOPLE that the proposer has something worthwhile.  That is best done by testing our hypotheses, although there other forms of supporting evidence, including modelling.  However, the modelling has to be shown to be valid and relevant, via ground-truthing.  You haven't done been willing to do any of that (and what you do have is incoherent and incomprehensible), so you don't have anything that scientists will ever find worthwhile.

However, again, congratulations on the freeze-fracking, and I hope it brings you satisfaction.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2019,13:08   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 17 2019,22:51)

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I'm on my own for the funding of everything and don't have a few thousand bucks for that too!


What about crowd funding?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2019,00:45   

Quote (Alan Fox @ Feb. 20 2019,13:08)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 17 2019,22:51)

 
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I'm on my own for the funding of everything and don't have a few thousand bucks for that too!


What about crowd funding?

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm giving it lots of thought, again. Last time around I was not sure where to begin, and all the "bring AI to the people" startups made it hard to not get lost in the clutter.

For years we have also been overwhelmed by all the tracksite work like getting the eubrontes giganteus trackway and layer below it safely removed then on its way to Williams College (where geology building construction project has limited budget) or other possible new homes. Much would be made easier by having a budget for such things.

I worry that the time spent trying to raise funds will just slow down the work down to a crawl. Picture myself begging from forum to forum then a month later raised ten dollars.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2019,03:16   

At the Numenta forum I found a link to huge breakthrough research that just had to be fed to the Reddit ID Theory elephant too:

www.reddit.com/r/IDTheory/comments/azt0fk/metastable_brain_waves_nature_communications/

With the way such a thing has to be ignored, it's still no chore at all to clean up after. With the theory predicting much the same wave action happening at the cellular and genetic level the astonishment level is for decades expected to increase.

In evolutionary biology the attacking of other theory instead of discussing their own is also going bad, very quickly. Dr. Lenski himself just explained published research to Mike Behe to (as in what prevails in US legal courts) beyond a reasonable doubt prove that his new book leads to a false conclusion:

telliamedrevisited.wordpress.com/2019/03/06/evolution-goes-viral-and-how-real-science-works/

At this point the only thing for sure is more shame for not telling the whole scientific truth. But at least the "theory of intelligent design" I'm responsible for and its interesting virtual brainwave powered critter has never looked better.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2019,05:21   

You still here Gary? I thought you'd gone.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 12 2019,07:43   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Mar. 12 2019,13:21)
You still here Gary? I thought you'd gone.

Haha...he's a real gone cat...mofo.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 13 2019,07:44   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Mar. 12 2019,05:21)
You still here Gary? I thought you'd gone.


Yes, I'm still here. It has been hard for me to post as often, but otherwise this thread goes on. To in part answer N.Wells I have been working on a post with pictures of the tracksite experiment. It's still being added to, almost done.

Earlier there was a topic at the Reddit forum that was helpful for me to among other things explain what the ID Lab now demonstrates:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/atnjse/what_would_intelligent_design_actually_look_like/eh57h84

I also for some reason had to address a water related religious issue, in a forum that recently saw a sprinkle of misinformation I wanted to address:  

www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/ay67sy/can_someone_please_show_me_the_firmament_dome/

I'll be back..

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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2019,14:07   

By the end of winter we finally had enough cold weather for the bedrock to very noticeably freeze solid!





As expected the flow rate slowly decreased until there was no detectable flow at all. The new re-circulation loop worked great for keeping the system flowing after having achieved success, in which case there is no place to send the cold and (from observations from electronic temp probe) temp goes below (as calibrated using ice bath method for lab thermometers) 0 C.

This is what the (in above photo at bottom right where hoses go) water feeder/injector ended up looking like. The two large 3/4 inch hoses and black plastic 3/8 inch hose barb that is pressed into the borehole form a tripod that makes it easy to insert and remove. To help prevent the 12 volt valve from freezing-up it was mounted as close as possible to the much larger circulation water flow that goes from basin to pump then back again, in a loop that keeps water moving fast enough to not freeze. When valve is open a small amount of the flowing water goes into the borehole, now with a 14 inch sediment collection tube at the bottom to seal off the (near frost line) lowest layers and focus water to the top two feet.





The 3/4 inch hose line is connected to a 1/8 HP Little Giant 5-MD-SC Magnetic Drive Pump circulation pump that's good for 27.5 feet of head pressure, which is less than pressure from a typical water faucet and in this case reaching full pressure requires blocking the return line, in turn causing freezing of water inside it and pump. As in filling water balloons until they burst: too much water pressure can damage paper thin layers. The goal has been to use as little water and pressure as possible to saturate the top two feet of strata.

After a cold night the pond/basin looks like this:



When super-chilled it looks more like this:



Towards the very back are aluminum offset printing plates upon which water chills a little before reaching pond. Using two flow rates a valved garden hose sprays the area with water, either at a slow rate that almost keeps up with water demand and fast rate that turns on when a float switch indicates that water level is a little low. In this experiment (even where just force of gravity) two angels are as you can see helping to direct the water into the pond.
 


Valves are currently all automatic so it's mostly a job of watching and waiting for the next emergency to attend to. To stay going all night the circulation pump flow had to be used like a deicer by directing at a large float switch float that splashes the water outwards. All nozzles and other restrictions including 3/4 inch lawn sprinkler system valve placed at the end of the 3/4 inch circulation hose have had to be in a hurry removed, after plugging up with ice. The center of the float switch has (basin valve on) red (basin level OK) green and (borehole valve open) blue LED lights inside that at night through nearby window make it easy to monitor.

All of the major objectives were achieved. It was first easily possible to get water to flow horizontally then out the sides of the block, and channel the tinkle of outflow to the thousand+ gallon runoff basin that helps prevent basement and street flooding and drains into an extremely deep fault that is barely even dampened by the amount of water normally used. Most was lost to evaporation, pipes bursting at night then water coming out full blast for hours, and icing that causes overfilling or squirrels that try to get a drink by climbing the refill hose and I later wake up to it spraying into the air instead of basin and the tracksite turned into a tilted skating rink.

The second objective was to get water to flow from one hole to another on the other side of the 20x40 foot bedrock rectangle. Then the third was to freeze at least one to two feet of the entire surface, and in the event of (as happened) borehole freezing up: without causing damage to the system.

I'm confident that over the winter there were numerous freeze/thaw cycles that went to various depths. It's hard to know how well this actually worked for separating the layers of interest, but from what I could see from the surface the conditions were ideal for faster than usual weathering in the most solid internal areas, instead of opposite condition that primarily only causes weathering of the outermost edges caused by rain seeping in.

There was also a supply of pond water zooplankton delivered into the layers. I'm not exactly sure whether keeping the inside damp through the spring season would help munch away whatever cements the more inert stone layers together, but use of microbes is another possibility. Latest information indicates that the voids between sedimentary layers were caused by biofilm layer forming between sedimentation events, which later decomposed to become an empty gap.

Warmer weather has now settled in. I don't expect any more opportunities for the system to chill down enough for the borehole valve to open. I normally hate winter, but this year it's sad to be over.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 08 2019,09:34   

Jesus bring back DaveS and his cancer cure for dogs or even Jo3G and his hillbilly not infinity hotel, where is buttfuck77 with his quantum dog's breakfast when you need him? AFDave all is forgiven imaginary numbers ARE imaginary! TwoDocBill .....yes you were a pimple on a carbuncle on the festering sore that was ID  but you were an honest crook in  the mould of Nixon "I am not a culpable human being I'm just an opportunistic scumbag"

Gary OTOH commits to destroying faith in human kind as a mission with zero passion.

Gary please invent a methbot to prevent Gary posting on teh innerwebs.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 17 2019,07:14   

Classic symptoms of schizophrenia:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/bd29z6/is_human_evolution_fact_or_is_there_still_some/el1uo8j/

Once again evidence indicates that the "controversy" is a symptom of a public health and safety issue.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2019,00:02   

Combined with the grandiose belief that they can prove "evolution" to be false, this example qualifies as an enabler for hallucination reinforced (clinically) delusional thinking:
   
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#9 If you are suddenly seeing or sensing non-physical entities, you may be Awakening.

11 Signs of Spiritual Awakening - Video

How medical professionals interact with with people who made it to #9 is:

How to Talk to a (clinically) Delusional Person - Video

Delusional Thinking vs Logical Thinking: How to spot a delusional thought - Video

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2019,11:24   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 22 2019,00:02)
Combined with the grandiose belief that they can prove "evolution" to be false, this example qualifies as an enabler for hallucination reinforced (clinically) delusional thinking:
     
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#9 If you are suddenly seeing or sensing non-physical entities, you may be Awakening.

11 Signs of Spiritual Awakening - Video

How medical professionals interact with with people who made it to #9 is:

How to Talk to a (clinically) Delusional Person - Video

Delusional Thinking vs Logical Thinking: How to spot a delusional thought - Video

Physician, heal thyself.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2019,13:24   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ April 22 2019,10:24)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 22 2019,00:02)
Combined with the grandiose belief that they can prove "evolution" to be false, this example qualifies as an enabler for hallucination reinforced (clinically) delusional thinking:
     
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#9 If you are suddenly seeing or sensing non-physical entities, you may be Awakening.

11 Signs of Spiritual Awakening - Video

How medical professionals interact with with people who made it to #9 is:

How to Talk to a (clinically) Delusional Person - Video

Delusional Thinking vs Logical Thinking: How to spot a delusional thought - Video

Physician, heal thyself.

I was going to comment along the same line of thought.

I'm not sure Gary recognizes which end of the clinical talk he would be on.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2019,17:20   

Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 10 2019,00:11)
"Rationalizations are more important than sex. When's the last time you went a week without a rationalization?"


Allow me a Gaulinism ...

You Get What You Need



* Fun Fact: Kevin Costner was Alex and had flashback scenes. There may have been lead in as well, I forget, it's been a while. All was cut save the faceless corpse shots in the opening.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 22 2019,19:51   

Quote (Lethean @ April 22 2019,15:20)
Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 10 2019,00:11)
"Rationalizations are more important than sex. When's the last time you went a week without a rationalization?"


Allow me a Gaulinism ...

You Get What You Need



* Fun Fact: Kevin Costner was Alex and had flashback scenes. There may have been lead in as well, I forget, it's been a while. All was cut save the faceless corpse shots in the opening.

At least it wasn't "In The Garden Of Eden" by I. Ron Butterfly.

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(Permalink) Posted: April 27 2019,01:10   

The supposed chemist James Tour proved to not be able to identify what is shown in simple molecular diagrams. I had to correct his bully-pulpit chemistry. Details here:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/bgz097/james_tour_debunks_the_abiogenesis_narrative_the/elvw2h1/

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(Permalink) Posted: May 02 2019,07:31   

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y276768
     
Quote (Dr.GH @ April 29 2019,18:13)
I did a short reply to expose the out and out lies by James Tour:

https://stonesnbones.blogspot.com/2019.......ne.html


Yay! I was correct!

Now you can honestly say an amateur with no academic degree at all in chemistry was able to figure out what was shown.

Given James' history of having had at least one life changing "spiritual awakening" type episode and behavior that includes repeating a sentence over and over again I'm relatively confident he made it to this stage:
   
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From: careinc.com/care-blog/8-symptoms-of-dementia-or-early-alzheimers  

Dementia is a cluster of symptoms that may include: short-term memory loss, unclear thinking or reasoning, hindered problem-solving ability, repeating sentences or phrases over and over again, getting lost easily or misplacing items (which also falls under the forgetfulness category).

In this case he would not be exactly lying, he seriously cannot make sense of what he's supposed to be a famous chemist in. In either case the medical professional approved response to something like that is in this earlier shown link:

How to Talk to a (clinically) Delusional Person - Video

Jack Szostak has the above information. In his words "It is unfortunately impossible to argue rationally with people who do not even want to think about the questions we are addressing!" so of course I had to share what I know about medical reasons why this occurs and how we are supposed to (if at all) respond when that is most likely the case.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 04 2019,23:34   

<Deleted by me>.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2019,17:23   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2019,23:10)
The supposed chemist James Tour proved to not be able to identify what is shown in simple molecular diagrams. I had to correct his bully-pulpit chemistry. Details here:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/bgz097/james_tour_debunks_the_abiogenesis_narrative_the/elvw2h1/

Well, your Reddit was a surprise. I found it by backtracking a viewer link to this thread, and then your link from here to Reddit.

Then I checked dates

We were trashing James Tour's bullshit on FaceBook since April 21.

I posted reading lists, links, and JPEGs there over 2 weeks ago.

And the same discussions were happening at the "Peaceful Discourse" website for as long.  ;)

Your Reddit post debunking was 8 days ago.

Hang in there big guy.

Edited by Dr.GH on May 05 2019,15:55

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2019,17:34   

I did some more dredging at Reddit. I saw you mention Tour 10 days ago. Still short of a full glass.

Would you like to explain how Tour, and Szostak first came to your attention?


I am not disagreeing with the content your comments on Reddit about James Tour, I could have written them myself. I am interested in your inspiration. I was lead to the YouTube talk promoted and recorded by the Discovery Institute by a comment on FaceBook. I could have saved 40+ hours, and even some money if I had ignored him.
:O

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(Permalink) Posted: May 05 2019,17:58   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 05 2019,17:23)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ April 26 2019,23:10)
The supposed chemist James Tour proved to not be able to identify what is shown in simple molecular diagrams. I had to correct his bully-pulpit chemistry. Details here:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/bgz097/james_tour_debunks_the_abiogenesis_narrative_the/elvw2h1/

Well, your Reddit was a surprise.

Then I checked dates

We were trashing James Tour's bullshit on FaceBook since April 21.

I posted reading lists, links, and JPEGs over 2 weeks ago.

And the same discussions were happening at the "Peaceful Discourse" website for as long.  ;)

Your Reddit post was 8 days ago.

Hang in there big guy.

That's the first I heard of your discussions elsewhere. I tried searching on the internet for an already existing correction. After finding nothing that way I started writing my own, for the Reddit forum I'm in.

The fact remains that I on my own correctly figured out what was shown. I was never trying to be the first, just needed a well thought out response to a thread that praised the video and had a good number of influential "creationists" reading it.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 06 2019,23:34   

Quote (Dr.GH @ May 05 2019,17:34)
Would you like to explain how Tour, and Szostak first came to your attention?

I am not disagreeing with the content your comments on Reddit about James Tour, I could have written them myself. I am interested in your inspiration. I was lead to the YouTube talk promoted and recorded by the Discovery Institute by a comment on FaceBook. I could have saved 40+ hours, and even some money if I had ignored him.

In more detail: I was led to the James Tour video by the Reddit thread. I first watched some of it then soon gave up after his insults became too disturbing. Afterwards I watched a little at a time, and eventually saw the part where he was trashing Jack Szostak.

It did not seem possible for there to be such a giant mistake so I right away searched for the Nature article. There was no mention of the exact molecules shown and did not find anything in a search and decided to verify them by their atomic structure, while saving links to post in the Reddit forum. Having that online two days later sounds about right. In addition the molecules on the chart I out of curiosity studied related chemistry.

With there being no doubt that James Tour was very wrong I then more carefully studied his behavior. I saw warning signs of dementia galore. And it seemed unlikely for a good liar to try something that common sense would indicate is guaranteed to fail.

Although I expected Jack already knew about the video I emailed him to make sure he did, and mentioned "the issue has to be the sanity of an organization that believes the warning signs of dementia indicate genius."

After he replied back about it being "impossible to argue rationally with people who do not even want to think about the questions we are addressing" I sent him the earlier posted How to Talk to a Delusional Person video, warning sign list, and mentioned how his earlier (as per YouTube link) spiritual awakening indicates that "in his religious circle the goal is to achieve the symptoms of a serious mental illness."

As fate would have it James apparently had a good day then as you reported on your blog he apologized. To be certain this actually (almost too good to be true) happened I checked with Jack and he said "Yes, it’s true, he did apologize."

I needed to make sure Jack was prepared for what I expected to be the case, where as I said the "recommended response is to like a friend" talk to the person. As it turned out James called him, done. Issue is now the DI "scientific organization" enablers who by publishing the video took advantage of James Tour's state of mind.

It's hard to exactly say what my time and money wasting inspiration is. Part of it is the intelligence related theory that I was working on before the Discovery Institute existed. Their one sentence premise (I still have below in my signature line) then holds true, but of course the DI network honestly has a mostly religious addiction related agenda that has to hit rock-bottom before a scientific theory can save them.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 18 2019,15:55   

An earlier mentioned (and now very long) Reddit thread with someone who says they are involved in computer science led to my having to challenge them with the origin of life aquarium experiment I long ago mentioned, which (where not properly scrubbing out hydrogen cyanide gas) has a tiny chance of exploding, a little, but if they were willing to take the risk then so was I. Seems to be easy enough to make it so at most a cork safely pops off a flask. As can be expected they already made up their mind that what is shown in the illustration is like James Tour said a lie, and don't want to try it for themselves:  

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/bd29z6/is_human_evolution_fact_or_is_there_still_some/enrs7a3/

There are test strips that can be placed inside. With enough dampness they should change color in response to atmospheric concentration. According to PubMed hydrogen cyanide is a human (a substance formed in or necessary for metabolism) metabolite. Detectable amounts might not be overly harmful, or able to accumulate in tissues.

A slow moving tilt table or occasional tilting would add wet/dry cycles. Where not overly large the vessel could be placed in a refrigerator to chill, then under a heat lamp to warm. Biggest danger can be simulating lightning, but a safe classroom sized Van De Graaff Generator might work by placing next to the vessel, with at most one wire through top to make mini lightning strike water or land surface. Since there should be an iron source at the bottom it's possible to use a metal plate for the base of a vessel. Lack of oxygen should help prevent rusting, and later a sample of whatever forms at its surface can be scraped off with a razor blade. If it's actually safe to perform then local universities could yearly offer to lab test results and supply next years consumables, like one of a variety of testing strips to place inside atmosphere.

It would be a shame for "Mr. Gary" to not at least follow up on this idea. Help constructing the experiment is welcomed.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2019,08:41   

I made a video showing the first test of what I called a "Wet Bottom Hollow Glass Capacitor Lightning Chamber":

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKRC9h7vGEU

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