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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,14:10   

PaoloV
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WJM,

Are you an ID proponent or just a philosophical guest writer here in UD?

As far as I understand it, ID is a serious scientific proposition. But your ideas seem to lack scientific flavor. Philosophy is very important. But without the scientific ingredient, can your ideas have any association with ID?

Try to read this without laughing.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,16:21   

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Have any of you noticed the massive amount of nonsense from Barry Arrington lately on "metaphysical naturalism," including a grotesque misreading of Nietzsche and loudly appealing to Barry's own five minutes of fame for his involvement in aftermath of the Columbine shooting?  

After sixty posts of bullshit, Reciprocating Bill decides he's had enough and lays it all down.  It's a thing of beauty to be read here.

Barry's been banging the "without the fear of divine punishment, we'd all be psychopaths" drum for years.  I'm willing to accept that it's true for Barry.

"if it wasn't for Jesus I'd be the most horrible human being on the face of the Earth" is self condemnation of course, and weird to admit to, but I don't even think it's true. I don't think that Barry is the scum-sucking piece of shit that he claims to be.

https://scienceblogs.com/primate....-play-o

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,16:53   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 12 2019,16:21)
Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2019,13:48)
Quote (JohnW @ July 18 2014,12:45)
 
Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 18 2014,09:26)
Have any of you noticed the massive amount of nonsense from Barry Arrington lately on "metaphysical naturalism," including a grotesque misreading of Nietzsche and loudly appealing to Barry's own five minutes of fame for his involvement in aftermath of the Columbine shooting?  

After sixty posts of bullshit, Reciprocating Bill decides he's had enough and lays it all down.  It's a thing of beauty to be read here.

Barry's been banging the "without the fear of divine punishment, we'd all be psychopaths" drum for years.  I'm willing to accept that it's true for Barry.

"if it wasn't for Jesus I'd be the most horrible human being on the face of the Earth" is self condemnation of course, and weird to admit to, but I don't even think it's true. I don't think that Barry is the scum-sucking piece of shit that he claims to be.

https://scienceblogs.com/primate....-play-o

Clearly that's thanks to the sacrifice made by Chimp Jesus.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,17:18   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 12 2019,14:53)
Quote (fnxtr @ June 12 2019,16:21)
Quote (stevestory @ June 09 2019,13:48)
 
Quote (JohnW @ July 18 2014,12:45)
 
Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 18 2014,09:26)
Have any of you noticed the massive amount of nonsense from Barry Arrington lately on "metaphysical naturalism," including a grotesque misreading of Nietzsche and loudly appealing to Barry's own five minutes of fame for his involvement in aftermath of the Columbine shooting?  

After sixty posts of bullshit, Reciprocating Bill decides he's had enough and lays it all down.  It's a thing of beauty to be read here.

Barry's been banging the "without the fear of divine punishment, we'd all be psychopaths" drum for years.  I'm willing to accept that it's true for Barry.

"if it wasn't for Jesus I'd be the most horrible human being on the face of the Earth" is self condemnation of course, and weird to admit to, but I don't even think it's true. I don't think that Barry is the scum-sucking piece of shit that he claims to be.

https://scienceblogs.com/primate....-play-o

Clearly that's thanks to the sacrifice made by Chimp Jesus.

:-D

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2019,07:38   

Lewontin

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2019,10:54   

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Lewontin

Link

Later they argue that, because the ancient Greeks suffered from apophenia, we all should too.

:-/

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2019,14:31   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 13 2019,09:54)
Quote (Jkrebs @ June 13 2019,05:38)
Lewontin

Link

Later they argue that, because the ancient Greeks suffered from apophenia, we all should too.

:-/

Did they suffer from it, or did they enjoy it?  :p

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: June 13 2019,19:18   

Aristotle saw faces in the clouds.

Therefore Toasted Cheese Jesus.

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,07:24   

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Philip Cunningham: Darwinian Materialism Vs. Quantum Biology – Part II


Based on how, no matter how many times I click Not Interested, YouTube won't stop suggesting Jordan Peterson videos to me, i'd have to be crazy to click on BatShit77's Quantum Science Time.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,07:26   

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 12:09 am
“It has recently become clear that ribosomes are much more heterogeneous than previously thought, with diversity arising from rRNA sequence and modifications, ribosomal protein (RP) content and posttranslational modifications (PTMs), as well as bound nonribosomal proteins.”

Does functional specialization of ribosomes really exist?
Ferretti MB, Karbstein K
RNA. 2019 May;25(5):521-538. doi: 10.1261/rna.069823.118. Epub 2019 Feb 7.

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 12:33 am
Dlg1 activates beta-catenin signaling to regulate retinal angiogenesis and the blood-retina and blood-brain barriers

Chris Cho, Yanshu Wang, Philip M Smallwood, John Williams, Jeremy Nathans
DOI: 10.7554/eLife.45542

Beta-catenin (i.e., canonical Wnt) signaling controls CNS angiogenesis and the blood-brain and blood-retina barriers.

These data expand the repertoire of Dlg/MAGUK family functions to include a role in beta-catenin signaling, and they suggest that proteins other than Frizzled receptors interact with Dlg1 to enhance beta-catenin signaling.

In light of the evidence presented here that Dlg1 enhances beta-catenin signaling in CNS ECs, it seems reasonable to suggest that Dlg1 enhances beta-catenin signaling in other biological contexts and that part of the Dlg1-/- phenotype reflects this activity.

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 12:41 am
Drosophila FGF cleavage is required for efficient intracellular sorting and intercellular dispersal.
Sohr A1, Du L1, Wang R1, Lin L2, Roy S3.
J Cell Biol. 2019 May 6;218(5):1653-1669. doi: 10.1083/jcb.201810138. Epub 2019 Feb 26.

How morphogenetic signals are prepared for intercellular dispersal and signaling is fundamental to the understanding of tissue morphogenesis. We discovered an intracellular mechanism that prepares Drosophila melanogaster FGF Branchless (Bnl) for cytoneme-mediated intercellular dispersal during the development of the larval Air-Sac-Primordium (ASP). Wing-disc cells express Bnl as a proprotein that is cleaved by Furin1 in the Golgi. Truncated Bnl sorts asymmetrically to the basal surface, where it is received by cytonemes that extend from the recipient ASP cells. Uncleavable mutant Bnl has signaling activity but is mistargeted to the apical side, reducing its bioavailability. Since Bnl signaling levels feedback control cytoneme production in the ASP, the reduced availability of mutant Bnl on the source basal surface decreases ASP cytoneme numbers, leading to a reduced range of signal/signaling gradient and impaired ASP growth. Thus, enzymatic cleavage ensures polarized intracellular sorting and availability of Bnl to its signaling site, thereby determining its tissue-specific intercellular dispersal and signaling range.

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 12:48 am
Rapid translocation of pluripotency-related transcription factors by external uniaxial forces.

Topal T1,2, Kim BC1,2,3, Villa-Diaz LG2,4,5, Deng CX1, Takayama S1,2,6, Krebsbach PH2,4,7.

Integr Biol (Camb). 2019 Feb 26. pii: zyz003. doi: 10.1093/intbio/zyz003

Human embryonic stem cells subjected to a one-time uniaxial stretch for as short as 30-min on a flexible substrate coated with Matrigel experienced rapid and irreversible nuclear-to-cytoplasmic translocation of NANOG and OCT4, but not Sox2. Translocations were directed by intracellular transmission of biophysical signals from cell surface integrins to nuclear CRM1 and were independent of exogenous soluble factors. On E-CADHERIN-coated substrates, presumably with minimal integrin engagement, mechanical strain-induced rapid nuclear-to-cytoplasmic translocation of the three transcription factors. These findings might provide fundamental insights into early developmental processes and may facilitate mechanotransduction-mediated bioengineering approaches to influencing stem cell fate determination.

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 1:11 am
Feedback regulation of cytoneme-mediated transport shapes a tissue-specific FGF morphogen gradient

eLife. 2018; 7: e38137.
doi: 10.7554/eLife.38137

Lijuan Du,1 Alex Sohr,1 Ge Yan,1 and Sougata Roy1

Gradients of signaling proteins are essential for inducing tissue morphogenesis. However, mechanisms of gradient formation remain controversial.

These results reveal a robust mechanism where morphogens self-generate precise tissue-specific gradient contours through feedback regulation of cytoneme-mediated dispersion.

When an embryo develops, its cells must work together and ‘talk’ with each other so they can build the tissues and organs of the body.

How morphogens move in tissues to create gradients is still poorly understood.

Yet, it is still unclear how cytonemes can help to form gradients.

Despite advances in our understanding of signal transduction pathways, how signals disperse and how the dispersion mechanism is dynamically modulated to shape gradients in three-dimensional tissue structures are poorly understood. Moreover, the formation of signal gradients is unexplored in most morphogenetic contexts, so we do not know how dispersion of the signals through extracellular space can generate the required diversity in gradient shapes and contours for a multitude of tissue architectures.

How morphogen gradients are produced in tissues is a long-standing central question.

Given the commonality of fundamental signaling events mediated by conserved signaling proteins, feedback regulation of cytoneme-mediated transport may offer an explanation for why signal gradients are so precise, yet adaptable and for how diverse tissue morphologies can result from just one signal transduction pathway.

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 1:25 am
Imaging Cytonemes in Drosophila Embryos

Lijuan Du, Sougata Roy
Methods Mol Biol. 2018; 1863: 29–45. doi: 10.1007/978-1-4939-8772-6_3

Conserved morphogenetic signaling proteins disperse across tissues to generate signal and signaling gradients, which in turn are considered to assign positional coordinates to the recipient cells.

Recent imaging studies in Drosophila model have provided evidence for a “direct-delivery” mechanism of signal dispersion that is mediated by specialized actin-rich signaling filopodia, named cytonemes. Cytonemes establish contact between the signal-producing and target cells to directly exchange and transport the morphogenetic proteins.

the mechanisms by which signals disperse to form concentration gradients are poorly understood.

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 1:30 am
To the objectors asking about ID research:

Most biology-related discoveries published in serious research and review papers these days support ID.

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SteveO June 14, 2019 at 4:38 am
OLV
“Most biology-related discoveries published in serious research and review papers these days support ID.”

It seems to me that so much research – even if undertaken by materialists or crypto-materialists – is an obvious exercise in reverse engineering..

Scientists and engineers could fully describe the composition, function, and dynamics of an early Ford motor engine without having to mention Henry Ford if his name were taboo.

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OLV June 14, 2019 at 6:01 am
SteveO,

That’s a valid point. Thanks.
Is this Dionisio under a new name or something?

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,07:28   

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To the objectors asking about ID research:

Most biology-related discoveries published in serious research and review papers these days support ID.


In light of how ID seems to be failing to keep their one "science journal" going, this is funny.

   
KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,07:49   

Quote (fnxtr @ June 13 2019,19:18)
Aristotle saw faces in the clouds.

Therefore Toasted Cheese Jesus.

Hamlet saw weasels in the clouds.

Therefore Richard Dawkins.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,08:24   

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Deleted – WJM


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PaoloV June 12, 2019 at 11:15 am
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PaoloV June 12, 2019 at 1:07 pm
Deleted – WJM



PaoloV is the utter lunatic Dionisio, but in a loon vs. loon fight whom does one side with?
:D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,09:07   

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PaoloV June 12, 2019 at 10:59 am
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PaoloV June 12, 2019 at 11:15 am
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PaoloV is the utter lunatic Dionisio, but in a loon vs. loon fight whom does one side with?
:D

The man with the punt gun?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,12:16   

Things are slow so I thought I'd see if WJM had his own personal blog for insane ramblings. Indeed, WJM's name is a link, but when I clicked on the link I got

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Blog has been removed

Sorry, the blog at id249.blogspot.com has been removed. This address is not available for new blogs.


Wonder what's up with that? Did he put it in a private mode, abandon it, or, who knows, rant about the jews or something?

   
clamboy



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,13:13   

Remember, WJM is the guy who posted about Pizzagate on TSZ (such an appropriate topic for that site!). And since WJM believes that his material reality is constructed by his mind, he constructed a material reality in which a child rape ring was being run by the Democratic party out of a pizza joint. He apparently *wants* his material reality to contain child rape, so he believes in it *real hard*, and poof!

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,13:37   

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Remember, WJM is the guy who posted about Pizzagate on TSZ (such an appropriate topic for that site!). And since WJM believes that his material reality is constructed by his mind, he constructed a material reality in which a child rape ring was being run by the Democratic party out of a pizza joint. He apparently *wants* his material reality to contain child rape, so he believes in it *real hard*, and poof!

He also believes in objective moral truths. I don’t know how he reconciled that with his belief that reality does not exist.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,13:57   

If reality doesn't exist, then are all numbers imaginary?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,15:02   

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If reality doesn't exist, then are all numbers imaginary?

Imaginary real numbers are imaginary.  Imaginary imaginary numbers are real.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,16:00   

Ah. I guess it's a complex subject, huh.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 14 2019,16:55   

Quote (Henry J @ June 14 2019,16:00)
Ah. I guess it's a complex subject, huh.

i, i, i...

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,08:40   

Batshit77 decided that what that thread needed was several thousand words about quantum mechanics, zelinger, Bell's theorem, general relativity, the founding fathers, CS Lewis, the Shroud of Turin...

linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,11:28   

Quote (stevestory @ June 15 2019,07:40)
Batshit77 decided that what that thread needed was several thousand words about quantum mechanics, zelinger, Bell's theorem, general relativity, the founding fathers, CS Lewis, the Shroud of Turin...

linky

I thought by way of their earlier arguments Bornofkin and WJM would not believe the Shroud exists.

But I suppose it doesn't matter.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,11:42   

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ June 15 2019,11:28)
Quote (stevestory @ June 15 2019,07:40)
Batshit77 decided that what that thread needed was several thousand words about quantum mechanics, zelinger, Bell's theorem, general relativity, the founding fathers, CS Lewis, the Shroud of Turin...

linky

I thought by way of their earlier arguments Bornofkin and WJM would not believe the Shroud exists.

But I suppose it doesn't matter.

Followed shortly by this on one of Batshitcrazy77’s posts.
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Deleted – WJM. No proselytizing on my threads, regardless of whether or not they are significant logical extrapolations of available evidence.


Followed shortly by Batshitcrazy77 taking his ball and going home.

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WJM, since you have deleted my post, I will no longer comment on your threads in the future. Nor in any discussion you are in. That censorship was uncalled for and deeply offensive.

Followed shortly by this from BB.

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WJM, please do us all a favor and post a comment on all UD threads. 🙂

BA77, when you are censored it is deeply offensive, but when you request censorship it is just. There is a bit of a double standard going on here.

WJM, I apologize for this aside, but I thought it should be pointed out. I will let it drop.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,11:42   

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June 15, 2019 at 10:14 am

WJM, since you have deleted my post, I will no longer comment on your threads in the future. Nor in any discussion you are in. That censorship was uncalled for and deeply offensive.

This suggests a possible strategy for BatShit abatement.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,11:43   

Shit!  You beat me!

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,12:07   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 15 2019,11:42)
Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ June 15 2019,11:28)
Quote (stevestory @ June 15 2019,07:40)
Batshit77 decided that what that thread needed was several thousand words about quantum mechanics, zelinger, Bell's theorem, general relativity, the founding fathers, CS Lewis, the Shroud of Turin...

linky

I thought by way of their earlier arguments Bornofkin and WJM would not believe the Shroud exists.

But I suppose it doesn't matter.

Followed shortly by this on one of Batshitcrazy77’s posts.
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Deleted – WJM. No proselytizing on my threads, regardless of whether or not they are significant logical extrapolations of available evidence.


Followed shortly by Batshitcrazy77 taking his ball and going home.

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WJM, since you have deleted my post, I will no longer comment on your threads in the future. Nor in any discussion you are in. That censorship was uncalled for and deeply offensive.

Followed shortly by this from BB.

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WJM, please do us all a favor and post a comment on all UD threads. 🙂

BA77, when you are censored it is deeply offensive, but when you request censorship it is just. There is a bit of a double standard going on here.

WJM, I apologize for this aside, but I thought it should be pointed out. I will let it drop.

Well, that didn’t last long.
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Brother Brian
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Deleted – WJM

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,13:17   

At this point, ba has removed himself from all threads by kf and wjm. No one comments on other threads by News, or ba himself.

What will he do???

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,13:57   

WJM’s thread is just full of thought provoking comments.
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Brother Brian
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Hazel
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Deleted – WJM

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ET
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Deleted – WJM

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 15 2019,14:53   

I love the smell of Tard in the morning.  :D

   
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