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Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2019,11:01    Quote (Jkrebs @ June 09 2019,09:34) kf and ba are going at it about something, ba accusing kf of being a closet materialist because he doesn't accept the Agent Causality of God. The word count is flying. Link -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2019,15:48    Quote (JohnW @ July 18 2014,12:45) Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 18 2014,09:26) Have any of you noticed the massive amount of nonsense from Barry Arrington lately on "metaphysical naturalism," including a grotesque misreading of Nietzsche and loudly appealing to Barry's own five minutes of fame for his involvement in aftermath of the Columbine shooting?   After sixty posts of bullshit, Reciprocating Bill decides he's had enough and lays it all down.  It's a thing of beauty to be read here. Barry's been banging the "without the fear of divine punishment, we'd all be psychopaths" drum for years.  I'm willing to accept that it's true for Barry. "if it wasn't for Jesus I'd be the most horrible human being on the face of the Earth" is self condemnation of course, and weird to admit to, but I don't even think it's true. I don't think that Barry is the scum-sucking piece of shit that he claims to be.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2019,15:50    I'm not unilaterally a fan of Penn jillette but I do like Penn jillette's response that "I do the amount of raping that I would like to do, and the amount of murdering I would like to do, which is none."

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 10 2019,23:43    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 09 2019,09:01) Quote (Jkrebs @ June 09 2019,09:34) kf and ba are going at it about something, ba accusing kf of being a closet materialist because he doesn't accept the Agent Causality of God. The word count is flying. Link :p Later in that thread, Joe provides further support for the contention that any discussion, no matter how stupid, can be made stupider by the addition of Joe. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,00:28    Quote 235 Bornagain77 June 9, 2019 at 8:21 am kf, “retrocausality is implicit in delayed choice etc. ” You have no clue what you are talking about. The delayed choice is one of at least two lines of evidence that have falsified ‘realism’, the other one being Leggett’s inequality. Those lines of evidence falsifying ‘realism’ have nothing to do with the present empirical falsification that I laid out for your belief that detection of a quantum process in the past is a ‘natural’ process that is completely free of the Agent Causality of God. To repeat, I referenced the quantum zeno effect, quantum information theory, and experimental realization of the Maxwell demon thought experiment, respectfully. As to: “You are repeating a corrected claim about my worldview.” And yet if it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck,,,

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,00:30    Quote 236 Brother Brian June 9, 2019 at 8:47 am When KF, WJM and BA77 have finished arguing over whether or not matter exists if their is no consciousness is there to observe it, might I suggest they discuss whether or not a tree falling in the forest makes any sound if a person isn’t there to hear it. Or how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Both would be equally as important and relate to to the ID community.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,00:34    Quote 239 Bornagain77 June 9, 2019 at 2:00 pm kf, It’s hopeless. You are not even in the right ballpark. It is clear this is going to go nowhere. Adios.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,09:03    He probably breaks his egg on the pointy end, too. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,10:10    Die heretic scum! -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,10:46    Quote (fnxtr @ June 11 2019,09:03) He probably breaks his egg on the pointy end, too. I'm pretty sure that he just sits on them.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,12:15    Quote (fnxtr @ June 11 2019,09:03) He probably breaks his egg on the pointy end, too. Are you suggesting that atheists are vegans?

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,13:46    Quote (KevinB @ June 11 2019,10:15) Quote (fnxtr @ June 11 2019,09:03) He probably breaks his egg on the pointy end, too. Are you suggesting that atheists are vegans? Gulliver's Travels Quote The Lilliputians reveal themselves to be a people who put great emphasis on trivial matters. For example, which end of an egg a person cracks becomes the basis of a deep political rift within that nation. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,14:52    Re "For example, which end of an egg a person cracks becomes the basis of a deep political rift within that nation." Well that's small of them. Sounds like some of them can't take a yolk.

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,15:20    After kf posted a 32 point, 3000 word reply to William J Murray, these three posts followed: Quote 6 Brother Brian KF@4 has pulled out all the stops and used numbered sentences. WJM is doomed. 🙂 7 Hazel And >> 8 DaveS At least he stopped before ω.  😛 Link

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,18:08    Quote (Jkrebs @ June 11 2019,13:20) After kf posted a 32 point, 3000 word reply to William J Murray, these three posts followed:   Quote 6 Brother Brian KF@4 has pulled out all the stops and used numbered sentences. WJM is doomed. 🙂 7 Hazel And >> 8 DaveS At least he stopped before ω.  😛 Link One day he's going to run out of alphabets. Quote Paragraph Eye-of-Horus: blah blah blah... Paragraph Ankh: blah blah blah... Paragraph Mr. Hanky: blah blah blah.. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,19:04    So is that the Omega, Man?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 11 2019,19:52    Quote (Henry J @ June 11 2019,19:04) So is that the Omega, Man? Charleton Heston? Bad movie?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,08:14    Quote Mind Philosophy Inferring Onward, From Design To Designer Posted on June 12, 2019 Authorkairosfocus Comments(2) Spread the love One of the notorious talking points used by inveterate objectors to design theory, is that it is about stealth creationism. Closely tied, is the suggestion (or, assumption) that the claim that design inference on empirical sign only warrants inference to design as process is a dishonest stalking horse. Quote 2 Hazel June 12, 2019 at 6:20 am I’m not about to try to read and try to make sense of all that, but I think in another thread kf did say that once one infers design, which I gather is what kf’s post is about, then it is reasonable to infer that an intelligent designer exists, or has existed, and that the inference of design is separate from identifying that designer. Is this an accurate statement?

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,08:40    Quote (stevestory @ June 12 2019,16:14) Quote Mind Philosophy Inferring Onward, From Design To Designer Posted on June 12, 2019 Authorkairosfocus Comments(2) Spread the love One of the notorious talking points used by inveterate objectors to design theory, is that it is about stealth creationism. Closely tied, is the suggestion (or, assumption) that the claim that design inference on empirical sign only warrants inference to design as process is a dishonest stalking horse. Quote 2 Hazel June 12, 2019 at 6:20 am I’m not about to try to read and try to make sense of all that, but I think in another thread kf did say that once one infers design, which I gather is what kf’s post is about, then it is reasonable to infer that an intelligent designer exists, or has existed, and that the inference of design is separate from identifying that designer. Is this an accurate statement? SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHATEVER you do don't mention the God of the Christian Bible......er Allah ....er  Yarweh.... um ... Abrahamism ....wink wink. Don't ask and we won't tell. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,09:52    Quote 22 William J Murray June 12, 2019 at 6:25 am A reminder to participants: I do not allow character or motivational comments or insinuations, or other forms of trolling in my threads. Those posts will be deleted. Complaints about deletions will be deleted. linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,09:55    Quote 18 ET June 12, 2019 at 5:04 am Brother Brainless: Quote If what WJM says is actually true, then all of the arguments for objective moral truth are wrong (which I think they are, but for different reasons). Cuz you say so? Really? Why do all losers think they can just say something and it’s true?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,09:58    UD is the greatest website in the history of everything.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,10:14    Quote 30 William J Murray June 12, 2019 at 9:07 am DaveS: My need for glasses (or eyes, for that matter) is ultimately a matter of psychological structure. My intent would be to better my vision. The structure of my psychology searches through the associated information and represents “how to get better vision” as models predicting methods of acquiring the goal. The process is played out in my physical experience however my psychology dictates. For others it might play out as getting surgery, acupuncture, doing eye exercises, taking supplements and some special diet, praying, meditating, or a combination of those things if they want to accomplish it without going the more common route. All physical methods are manifestations of psychological processes, which is why people can have enormous variances of methodology to achieve the same results. It’s not the physical process that is essential – which is why we have miraculous, spontaneous cures for some and not others, why placebos work for some and not others, why some methods work for Jim and not Joe. I don’t need glasses in other experiential states – like, when I’m dreaming, visualizing, or visiting other physically consistent frameworks. There are cases of people that have been completely blind since birth but can see perfectly during NDEs or OOBEs.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,10:16    Quote     14 EricMH June 11, 2019 at 5:33 pm Deleted – WJM 15 Brother Brian June 11, 2019 at 6:44 pm Deleted. – WJM

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,10:22    Quote (stevestory @ June 12 2019,07:52) Quote 22 William J Murray June 12, 2019 at 6:25 am A reminder to participants: I do not allow character or motivational comments or insinuations, or other forms of trolling in my threads. Those posts will be deleted. Complaints about deletions will be deleted. linky Those responsible for sacking the people who were sacked, have been sacked. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,10:24    Quote 5 Kairosfocus June 12, 2019 at 9:21 am H, first I did answer your question (which in light of the toxic atmosphere around to me seems to require significant context), and in so doing I referred to the theme and the opening part of the argument in the OP. KF linky

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,10:54    IOW, thou shalt not disagree with the moderator, else thou willst be moderated. After all, moderation is a virtue. Or something.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,12:12    Quote (stevestory @ June 12 2019,08:14) Quote 30 William J Murray June 12, 2019 at 9:07 am DaveS: My need for glasses (or eyes, for that matter) is ultimately a matter of psychological structure. My intent would be to better my vision. The structure of my psychology searches through the associated information and represents “how to get better vision” as models predicting methods of acquiring the goal. The process is played out in my physical experience however my psychology dictates. For others it might play out as getting surgery, acupuncture, doing eye exercises, taking supplements and some special diet, praying, meditating, or a combination of those things if they want to accomplish it without going the more common route. All physical methods are manifestations of psychological processes, which is why people can have enormous variances of methodology to achieve the same results. It’s not the physical process that is essential – which is why we have miraculous, spontaneous cures for some and not others, why placebos work for some and not others, why some methods work for Jim and not Joe. I don’t need glasses in other experiential states – like, when I’m dreaming, visualizing, or visiting other physically consistent frameworks. There are cases of people that have been completely blind since birth but can see perfectly during NDEs or OOBEs. UD is having its own NDE. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,12:19    Quote 6 Vmahuna June 12, 2019 at 9:52 am OK, I simply gave up after the first 3 or 4 paragraphs. You might wanna go talk to an English major about how punctuation, especially commas, is used in writing by non-illiterate people. You, of course, are an amazing example of the Illiterate. I don’t really care what you think you have to say if you have no means of conveying your ideas. I’ll put your name on my list of “Folks Not To Bother Reading”.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 12 2019,13:41    Quote (JohnW @ June 12 2019,10:12) UD is having its own NDE. ftfy -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

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