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hazelDecember 25, 2018 at 6:34 pm
Over in the Platonic Realm thread, wjm asked me to no longer post because I didn’t accept his major premise. I said I would opt out, but I did make one more post in response to something kf said. wjm deleted my post, so I thought I’d put it over here, where it is somewhat relevant (as there has been a whole string of posts, of which this is one) on the same general set of points.
kf and I disagree about some things, but I think we agree about others. I’m certain that we agree that there is a knowable world apart from our conscious experience of it.
In response to wjm, kf wrote,
… it is impossible to be in error that one is conscious. Experience is a major process of conscious existence. However, that does not compel one to the further view that experience and particularly perceptions and propositions cannot accurately relate to a physical, external world or to external persons, etc.
and I replied “I agree with you about this, kf”
I think that the world I am conscious of really exists, and that the process, whatever it is, by which information from the physical world enters my consciousness is reasonably reliable.
I just wanted this position saved, for the record, so I posted it here to preserve it.
And I see that wjm has relied to kf:
I’ll accept that it is a bare possibility that by blind chance we might be making an accurate correlation to some actual external reality should it exist, but that chance is incalculable and absolutely blind and we would have absolutely no way of verifying it.
I’ll repeat something I wrote there: this seems like solipsism to me. There’s no way to prove that solipsism isn’t true, and that what we are experiencing consciously isn’t a complete illusion, but I can’t imagine how one could seriously live with such a view.
so WJM is a ginormous douche, is what you're saying.
Why do I think that WJM doesn’t extend his “we can’t know anything is real” to certain ancient religious texts?
Something tells me if you took him to the Pacific Northwest and tied him to a tree and coated him with bear steak sauce he'd suddenly discover that your pathetic materialistic beliefs do in fact correlate with reality.
Edited by stevestory on Dec. 25 2018,20:59