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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2018,23:00   

Quote (Jkrebs @ Dec. 02 2018,12:07)
That is, banned. Thanks for the explanation, Alan.

All in all, better for me to not be able to post, anyway.

Jack, unless you're already one of the regulars (and I never noticed) you might like to check out what's happening at the Reddit DebateEvolution forum. This is not one of the most visited forums but it's making noticeable progress documenting why the controversy is the result of nothing new, just the side effects of overindulgence in something that feels good but requires denial of facts leading to a misinformation led subculture who sees everyone else as an enemy that's out to get them.

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For everyone wondering what has been keeping me too busy to post much: I have been in a race with time to set up a system for using freeze/thaw cycles to chisel apart thousands of sometimes paper thin sedimentary layers, by force freezing and thawing of the upper two to three feet of strata using forced air, vacuum, and 400 gallon (before covering with plastic it was more like a mosquito breeding pit) basin at the highest elevation for chilling and gravity feed injection of water that is close to freezing, into where it's normally too warm or dry to quickly weather out like the outer surfaces.

Last summer it was determined there is scientifically new information on at least one of several hundred layers that are too well bonded together to separate with chisels or go through by hand like at the outer bedrock surfaces. Thus there are now two 3/8 x 39 inch deep bore holes in the (with fissures between them considered) two 20 foot by 20 foot boulder like areas that together comprise the upper area of the dinosaur tracksite. It will be mostly a passive system that later requires little of my time to keep going.

If it were for not making progress on what sounds like a crazy backyard fracking experiment then I would have given up by now. To our knowledge this is the first time something like this has ever been attempted.

With faucet water/pressure I already washed out plenty of clay that at first kinda oozed out the sides from between layers. Complete decomposition produces nutrient rich and (like having plenty of lime already applied) calcite neutralized soil that dinosaurs helped fertilize too, which 200 millions later made this region famous for having some of the most productive and sustainable farming soil of them all. Unlike other geological conditions where salts and metals combine to form toxic brine I have to be careful not to turn the bedrock back into fertile soil that could be dug through with a shovel. The tracksite is then an excellent place for a garden, but all the trace fossils would be destroyed.

I'll soon enough be in my winter indoor mode and back to the ID Lab and other things. I did though manage to keep up with what was happening at the Reddit forum. In at least in my opinion I was able to help make it a useful resource to be proud of, instead of ashamed of. Like a heavy load having been taken off my shoulders this change has made everything else I need to get caught up on easier to focus on.

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2018,05:43   

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Jack, unless you're already one of the regulars (and I never noticed) you might like to check out what's happening at the Reddit DebateEvolution forum. This is not one of the most visited forums but it's making noticeable progress documenting why the controversy is the result of nothing new, just the side effects of overindulgence in something that feels good but requires denial of facts leading to a misinformation led subculture who sees everyone else as an enemy that's out to get them.


Still more peer review by Reddit, it's science all the way, folks!



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I'll soon enough be in my winter indoor mode and back to the ID Lab and other things. I did though manage to keep up with what was happening at the Reddit forum. In at least in my opinion I was able to help make it a useful resource to be proud of, instead of ashamed of. Like a heavy load having been taken off my shoulders this change has made everything else I need to get caught up on easier to focus on.


And still more fractured English to... Ah, what's the point? Gaulin is incapable of learning anything about science or language.

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2018,06:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 03 2018,05:00)
For everyone wondering what has been keeping me too busy to post much: I have been in a race with time to set up a system for using freeze/thaw cycles to chisel apart thousands of sometimes paper thin sedimentary layers, by force freezing and thawing of the upper two to three feet of strata using forced air, vacuum, and 400 gallon (before covering with plastic it was more like a mosquito breeding pit) basin at the highest elevation for chilling and gravity feed injection of water that is close to freezing, into where it's normally too warm or dry to quickly weather out like the outer surfaces.

Fortnite can get pretty intense.

Edited by Woodbine on Dec. 04 2018,12:42

  
coldfirephoenix



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 09 2018,19:46   

Yes, let's check out Reddit! Because the very subreddit you linked to has told you time and time again that you don't understand what science even is and that your "theory" is a bunch of nonsense whenever you piped up about it there. So, basically the same as here! Only that on reddit, it actually seemed to work after a few years, and you finally counted your losses and shut up about it - a feat that no one has even been able to replicate since.
So, by all means, have people take a look at reddit, and what they thought of your not-a-theory.


Exhibit" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r....L=....> A

Some more

there are

literally

dozens

of

those

And then some

I'm not gonna go through all examples of Gary arguing against evolution and for his cuckoo nonsense, that would take days.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,06:15   

Quote (coldfirephoenix @ Dec. 09 2018,19:46)
Yes, let's check out Reddit! Because the very subreddit you linked to has told you time and time again that you don't understand what science even is and that your "theory" is a bunch of nonsense whenever you piped up about it there. So, basically the same as here! Only that on reddit, it actually seemed to work after a few years, and you finally counted your losses and shut up about it - a feat that no one has even been able to replicate since.
So, by all means, have people take a look at reddit, and what they thought of your not-a-theory.


<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/5pjlhh/the_wacky_history_of_cell_theory_lauren/Exhibit" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r....L=.....> A

Some more

there are

literally

dozens

of

those

And then some

I'm not gonna go through all examples of Gary arguing against evolution and for his cuckoo nonsense, that would take days.

That last one is an absolute gem.

Gary launches into a flight of delusional self-importance:
 
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.....Not knowing who I am indicates that you are not aware of what is going on in East Coast paleontology, robotics, and other sciences that I have influenced. I'm now semi-famous in academia, and respected by a how-to community that loves building or programming intelligent stuff, as much as I do.


and gets some skeptical responses, which causes him to launch into yet another posting of his standard pile of hogwash, starting with a complete misunderstanding of what a theory of operation is and how that fails to have anything to do with his pile of hoey:
 
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The theory is for a computer modeled system that needed what scientists and engineers call a "Theory of operation"

http://intelligencegenerator.blogspot.com/....pot....pot.com

Before you are even ready to present a challenge to me you will need a biologically relevant scientific model that much better explains the basics of how any intelligent system and "intelligent cause" works. If you default to claiming that "intelligent cause" has to be from a religious deity that is beyond science to explain then you are as out of bounds of science as those you believe are the only ones who are out of bounds. .................................


Needless to say this meets with the usual skeptical reception, to which Gary responds:
 
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[Gary]
I hope you are not trying to suggest that you found evidence against the Theory of Intelligent Design that I'm developing.


 
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[Mnementh2230]
It's not a theory if it isn't falsifiable.
So how is this newest flavor of tripe falsifiable?


 
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[ApokalypseCow]
More than that, if it isn't potentially falsifiable, then it has no explanatory power.


 
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[DarwinZDF42]
Explain it like I'm five. My hypothesis is <blank>. From that, I predicted <blank>. I tested this prediction by doing <blank>. My results were <blank>. This shows <blank>.


 
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[GaryGaulin, with my numbers to show points for response]
 
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  My hypothesis is <blank>.


The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection. [1]

 
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   From that, I predicted <blank>.


Years ago I spent weeks preparing a long list for those who needed one, and do not have time to start all over again tonight. Especially now that the list has likely doubled in size due to so little being known about how the brains of animals work. [2]

The biggest one though pertaining to this discussion is the model/theory predicts where the "intelligent cause" of our "intelligent design" is coming from. [3]

 
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   I tested this prediction by doing <blank>.



A few decades worth of computer models and how well predictions later proved to be true. I expect that neuroscience will soon have information showing that the navigational network model does a good job of explaining the underlying mechanism that neuroscientists still don't understand. Part of the problem is 1970's academic snobbery aimed at David Heiserman that dissed his work because starting with a dumb bug seemed childish to those who were strutting around getting grants by talking about their soon having a whole electronic human brain much smarter than we are that by the year 2000 will be in every home doing all our chores for us. Now that it's almost 2017 most of them are dead now, so they at least don't have to live with the embarrassment from all their failed predictions.

 
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   My results were <blank>. This shows <blank>.


At this point you are asking for 50 pages of information that in my limited free time would take me at least 10 years to finish. It's not like pee-on's like me who had so much success in explaining how intelligence works at multiple levels of biology that they had to develop a Theory of ID are funded and have a staff of scientists to keep up with all the papers than could have been written from it. [4] To make progress I had to focus on staying current in the relevant fields and developing new models, for those who only need that.


 
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[DarwinZDF42]
That's it? You can't do it? Okay, I think we're done here. Thanks for playing.


DarwinZDF42's response is the important one, but I note the following in addition.
1: A claimed and asserted premise cannot be a valid prediction.  Even if it was in some way a prediction, it's too vague and ill-defined to be a useful and testable prediction.  It is also not falsifiable.  It is also trivially true without any reference to Gaulin's pile of not-a-theory.  The Mona Lisa is certainly a feature in the universe, and it falls in the category of being clearly designed, but that in no way says anything about the truth of Gary's proposals.

2.  I remember that list.  None of Gary's proposed tests were valid.

3. Those terms have still not been adequately defined, and are still not covered by any meaningful theory of operation.  How do I measure them?

4.  Funny non sequitur.  If none of those papers that 'could have been written from the [not-a]-theory' have actually been written, then you don't need a staff to keep up with reading them.

https://www.reddit.com/r....entific
inspired some interesting comments, as well.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,10:03   

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Part of the problem is 1970's academic snobbery aimed at David Heiserman that dissed his work because starting with a dumb bug seemed childish to those who were strutting around getting grants by talking about their soon having a whole electronic human brain much smarter than we are that by the year 2000 will be in every home doing all our chores for us.

Sentence of the week.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,13:14   

But will Hal open the pod bay doors when asked?

  
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 11 2018,16:33   

If only Gary had a whole human brain...

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 12 2018,18:36   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Dec. 11 2018,15:33)
If only Gary had a whole human brain...

With a hippocampus?

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 13 2018,04:11   

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With a hippocampus?


No, because only bugs have a hippocampus. Oh, wait ...

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2018,10:54   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Dec. 13 2018,04:11)
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With a hippocampus?


No, because only bugs have a hippocampus. Oh, wait ...

We really need an up-vote button.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2018,12:01   

But isn't a hippocampus where hippopotami go to school?

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 14 2018,13:17   

Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 14 2018,12:01)
But isn't a hippocampus where hippopotami go to school?

Berkeley - that's been a hippycampus since forever.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2018,20:27   

New release:

Bumblebee (2018) - New Official Trailer - Paramount Pictures

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....DAYt22k

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coldfirephoenix



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2018,18:46   

Soooo....just gonna ignore all of this then? I mean, I understand why you would want this, but what I don't understand is why you brought up reddit in the first place, Gaulin.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 25 2018,04:19   

Quote (coldfirephoenix @ Dec. 23 2018,18:46)
Soooo....just gonna ignore all of this then?

Why not? I only have limited time and must use it most effectively.

I was finally able to get back to composing a long planned topic for the Numenta forum. It just so happened that Larry Moran helped make the evolutionary biology thoughts gel, and I was thus able to link to his site for an example of a real biochemistry related issue cognitive science can influence the outcome of.

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/a6wrz8/my_ridtheory_forum_is_now_online_and_all_set_to/ecifnfw/

So for this Christmas we got a golden elephant for the (Reddit) room, which freed at least me from dread that was being caused by not having one. Two rules that keep out the usual arguments makes it almost no work at all to maintain. Though as you probably read Alexander is still a little upset from having been the first and (so far) only to be immediately deleted, and has taking some time to reason with.

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2018,21:53   

In regards to testing the model/theory I now have this at the Reddit Pony Language forum, linking to the Numenta forum:

www.reddit.com/r/ponylang/comments/aa6247/how_can_i_model_schooling_behavior_using_pony/

I'm now in a suspense filled wait and see (what happens) mode, I thought worth sharing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2019,11:56   

Come on, Gaulin. Joke G. is beating you on page count. (But not if you remove the repetitive copy/pasta.) (Or if you remove the vile invective.).

You need to abandon Reddit and concentrate more on this page.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2019,13:03   

What if page count isn't the goal?
:p

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 06 2019,21:09   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Jan. 06 2019,11:56)
Come on, Gaulin. Joke G. is beating you on page count. (But not if you remove the repetitive copy/pasta.) (Or if you remove the vile invective.).

You need to abandon Reddit and concentrate more on this page.

Excuse my for so long having been away from this thread working on something important that was primarily in answer to a student writing a dissertation, who at the Numenta forum asked for information. From recent emails to explain my having achieved success in that and other things I can now though give you all this to have fun with. One thing still leads to another, in a most delightful way.

I have for some time been debating Tim R Stout from:

http://www.creationtruthoutreach.org/aboutus....us.html

Two months ago at Reddit he presented material coauthored by someone at Bob Jones University. The last five of my replies show how that went for him:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/9qmnxt/a_natural_originoflife_every_hypothetical_step/ecqtz7a/

An author for Answers In Genesis was found here:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/ablin1/observational_vs_historical_science/ed1ze5d/

I'm now awaiting a reply from him to this:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/ablin1/observational_vs_historical_science/edcj39y/

To sum up other detail in as few words as possible:

The official one sentence premise of the "theory of intelligent design" specifically requires explaining of an "intelligent cause" therefore any model/theory has to come from cognitive science, not an existing area of science for "evolution". The two concepts are not exactly the same.

Computational neuroscience is now by necessity a 24/7 online code exchange, instead of (as in paleontology) documenting things for science journal papers. Numenta now dominates the neuroscientific open-source community scene. They have a lab team that periodically likes to write a journal paper on what they have discovered, but it's then something already discussed in their forum, not first time introduced to "peers".

As with the tracksite it's not necessary for me to write the papers, I only have to help provide original discoveries that papers need to later be written for, then let Patrick and sometimes you [Sebastian] take care of that. For us it's nothing out of the ordinary, but in the ID debate expectations were of an ID Theory needing to be shocking wet-lab experiments published in major journals.

In the reply to the AIG author's religious youtube videos I linked to two he wrote that reminded me of the "My Experience With Spiritual Psychosis" video, due to his in my opinion displaying warning signs of being close to that condition. It's a neurological topic a great theory pertaining to how our mind/intelligence works should be able to address, ultimately model. A theory specifically premised for "evolution" is not expected to get into that much detail, be out of place for me to make a topic of study.

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The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2019,04:11   

YAWN

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2019,08:46   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Jan. 09 2019,03:11)
YAWN

Wake up!

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2019,17:50   

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Wake up!


Why? Have I missed something?

No, just Gaulin spluttering  ... again.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2019,23:48   

Hopefully this that just came in from Camp will help relieve boredom, though the article itself is boring:

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It seems the bits have no imagination. :- )))

Unprovability comes to machine learning
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00012-4

Enjoy,
Camp


And Tonight, Tonight more of the underlying neurology of the "debate" has been revealed:

www.reddit.com/r/DebateEvolution/comments/ae2b2g/selfevident_truth_or_neurology/

The ability to loudly hear internal dialog does not seem to necessarily lead a person to become out of touch with reality, some are creative geniuses who learned to live with it and achieved greatness. In my opinion much of this is a cultural problem that's relatively easily solved by remembering that in some areas of science: crazy people rule! Only need a proper welcoming and develop an obsession to adsorb testable knowledge for how our creator works, like we have.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2019,00:11   

"Rationalizations are more important than sex. When's the last time you went a week without a rationalization?"

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2019,06:12   

Quote (fnxtr @ Jan. 10 2019,08:11)
"Rationalizations are more important than sex. When's the last time you went a week without a rationalization?"

Gary only does autorationalizations .

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2019,09:45   

Re "Rationalizations are more important than sex"

Or housework?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 10 2019,23:15   

Did Gary finally get involuntarily committed or something?

   
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2019,04:31   

stevestorey,

No, he is just busy getting his rubbish "peer-reviewed" by reddit.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2019,19:07   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Feb. 11 2019,04:31)
his rubbish

Then what a waste of time that was.

I no longer have any interest in beating myself up. There is other work I now have to do, primarily my increasingly busy day job. Almost all remaining free time now has to go to ongoing (ice related) tracksite experiments.

I'll just live with the regret of years of lost time I can never make up for. Even though I know the theory is very true: the politics related experience has made it too painful for me to look at, or want to work on. So I guess you won.

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