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Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:30    Quote In fact no one has asked me for my position Well, several have just done so, here. Again, what is your position?

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:31    My position is that you're a moron.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:36    Quote You gonna respond to any of my technical blogs? Is there one that makes some claim supporting Intelligent Design that you could link to?

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:38    From what I gather with this thread, it should be possible for you to take any random scientific one, and demostrate that I am mistaken, you can't even do one? How pathetic is that Alan, I mean really, not one of your choosing? How does that not show that your IQ level is that of a rock?

RupertG Posts: 80 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:43    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:31) My position is that you're a moron. Assuming you're using one of the old medical definitions of a moron, either an adult with a developmental age between 8 and 12 or an IQ of between 51 and 70, then I think that any objective assessment of Alan's cognitive level based on his use of language, logic and social interaction purely evinced by his postings here would disagree sharply with yours. Purely on the evidence, of course. Perhaps you can show how you reached your conclusions? R -------------- Uncle Joe and Aunty Mabel Fainted at the breakfast table Children, let this be a warning Never do it in the morning -- Ralph Vaughan Williams

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:45    Based on the fact that he can't even take a single one of my technical blog posts and rip it apart.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:45    Well, it does take a lot of guts to come over here and fill up a couple of pages with insults and egotism, without ever saying anything substantive at all. No brains, but a lot of guts... Sorry I don't read your contributions to science at your many blogs; I tend to get most of my science from peer-reviewed journals. Perhaps you can give us a citation of your latest contribution to that literature. And I'm really sorry I haven't heard of you before yesterday. If you can get over that insult to your ego, perhaps you can tell us something you believe in, besides insults. Oh, and please tell Joy that Isaac Asimov was a biochemist, not a geneticist. Not that she would understand the difference, but because there actually IS a difference. Confusion about science seems to be a prime commodity over there on your "technical" blog... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:47    I'm not the one that came here and started a mindless thread to attack my website, if you have something substantive to say against anything write, say it. So far, I only see faggotry, which is pathetic.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:48    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,02:38) From what I gather with this thread, it should be possible for you to take any random scientific one, and demostrate that I am mistaken, you can't even do one? How pathetic is that Alan, I mean really, not one of your choosing? How does that not show that your IQ level is that of a rock? I further suggest that there is no thread topic on TT written by you that (randomly or otherwise) effectively undermines evolutionary theory, or, indeed, produces any evidence that Intelligent Design is more than a philosophical concept.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:49    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,02:45) Based on the fact that he can't even take a single one of my technical blog posts and rip it apart. Name one, Nelson, or link to it.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:49    Alan Fox, come on I'm getting sleepy are you seriously this incompetent ?

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:53    Ok , thats ok, this is simply a consquence of getting yourself "in over your head" maybe you'll be a little more hesitant next time though.

Frostman Posts: 29 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:53    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,06:24) Ah I think Nelson/Guts is attempting the debating tactic of provoking a banning, sometimes referred to as "death by Cop", I believe. This is all very illuminating, Sir. (Edited for spelling) If I may be so immodest, I would guess that Guts/Nelson's steady stream of ridiculous outbursts are a reaction to his dishonest character being buck-naked exposed by yours truly in the email correspondence I just posted (Nelson Alonso).  It's a devastating blow to him personally.  He is embarrassed, and he gropes frantically for some way, any way, to respond.  If it was not already common knowledge that his real name is Nelson Alonso, that would add to the impact.  He is unable to address his own unethical behavior shown in that correspondence, so he seeks some way to distract himself and others. Or perhaps it is my wishful thinking that I could provoke such a funny response.  In any case, carry on, young fool!  You are the wind beneath my wings.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:54    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,08:30) Quote In fact no one has asked me for my position Well, several have just done so, here. Again, what is your position? I found it: Sorta ass out, with pouty lips. Some side-boob for a reach-around. OK, back to making a fool out of yourself, Guts. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:56    I'm hotter than that actually. Frostman, For the third time, tell me what your mom thinks of you talking to yourself in the third person. I'm sure she disapproves. I mean, thats just nuts .

RupertG Posts: 80 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:02    So I'm wrong, Guts? I thought you weren't attempting to avoid specificity, but you really are? Calling someone a moron for not addressing arguments, but then not saying what the arguments are - well, that's just calling someone a moron. Is that the reason you're claiming this thread is all about insults, because that's all you're prepared to contribute? Come on, just one thing that's not a personal insult, that people of good intent can debate. R -------------- Uncle Joe and Aunty Mabel Fainted at the breakfast table Children, let this be a warning Never do it in the morning -- Ralph Vaughan Williams

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:03    Wel I offered my writings and even showed where you can find them, but through it all, and you look back through all these pages, all you find is deception on the part of the denizens of AE, not a single one refutes anything I have written on TT. Tell me how does that not show that you are all stupid? I mean come on.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:04    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,08:56) I'm hotter than that actually. But your position, as articulated here, has no more substance. I don't follow TT, Guts, have never read your posts nor your blogs, and have no familiarity with your stance in this debate. So I won't comment on any of that. I can say, as a meta comment based upon the sample of the last few pages: you come across as an asshole. Why not assert something with substance? Then we're off to the races. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:06    Quote (Frostman @ July 06 2008,02:53) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,06:24) Ah I think Nelson/Guts is attempting the debating tactic of provoking a banning, sometimes referred to as "death by Cop", I believe. This is all very illuminating, Sir. (Edited for spelling) If I may be so immodest, I would guess that Guts/Nelson's steady stream of ridiculous outbursts are a reaction to his dishonest character being buck-naked exposed by yours truly in the email correspondence I just posted (Nelson Alonso).  It's a devastating blow to him personally.  He is embarrassed, and he gropes frantically for some way, any way, to respond.  If it was not already common knowledge that his real name is Nelson Alonso, that would add to the impact.  He is unable to address his own unethical behavior shown in that correspondence, so he seeks some way to distract himself and others. Or perhaps it is my wishful thinking that I could provoke such a funny response.  In any case, carry on, young fool!  You are the wind beneath my wings. Thanks, the problem is there's a demonstration of Camargais bullfighting (the bull survives, some human participants may not!) in the local town just starting, and i did rather want to see it. @Guts, When you decide to enlighten us with an example of your best work, let me know.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:08    So I'm the one that comes across as an asshole, how stupid is that. Pages and pages of false accusations , no one even knows my position, no one can refute any of my technical blogs, and yet I'm still the one that comes across as an asshole. Waves and waves of trolls come to my blog to harrass us not with arguments but with retarded tactics, and yet I'm the one who comes across as an asshole. I call shenanigans.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:09    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,09:08) So I'm the one that comes across as an asshole, how stupid is that. Pages and pages of false accusations , no one even knows my position, no one can refute any of my technical blogs, and yet I'm still the one that comes across as an asshole. Waves and waves of trolls come to my blog to harrass us not with arguments but with retarded tactics, and yet I'm the one who comes across as an asshole. Yep. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:12    Look in the mirror to see the asshole, look in the mirror.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:13    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,09:12) Look in the mirror to see the asshole, look in the mirror. Maybe so. But just sayin', Guts. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:14    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:45) Based on the fact that he can't even take a single one of my technical blog posts and rip it apart. Link to one then. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:18    Quote So I'm the one that comes across as an asshole, how stupid is that. You've been the best evidence for that. Quote Pages and pages of false accusations Name one. Quote no one even knows my position Or nobody cares. Quote no one can refute any of my technical blogs "technical blogs"? is that something you made up yourself? Aww, pretending to be a scientist now are you, how sweet! Link to an example please. Quote and yet I'm still the one that comes across as an asshole ting is as ting is. Quote Waves and waves of trolls come to my blog to harrass us not with arguments but with retarded tactics And you tell the difference between them and your target audience how exactly? Quote and yet I'm the one who comes across as an asshole. ting is as ting is. Quote I call shenanigans. Perhaps that has some meaning where you can edit history but your behaviour and refusal to support any of your points is plain over the last couple of pages. You are making yourself look foolish far better then anybody else is. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:20    It's very simple, go to TT , click on my name ( not on the sidebar like Alan Faux did, click on my name on a blog i've written) and then refute it. It's very simple, I'm surprised actually that no one has done so yet, it's actually quite laughable.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:22    Could somebody PM me if 1) gutless runs out of insults, or 2) gutless provides a link to a peer-reviewed paper it authored, or 3) gutless provides a link to a blog where it authored a substantive argument, or 4) gutless answers oldman's questions, or 5) gutless otherwise provides evidence that it can carry on a worthwhile discussion. Thanks -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:22    Quote Name one My pleasure. Frostman wrote this: Quote Incidentally, anon9 is me.  I'd have spoken sooner had I been following things.  I made the comment way-back-when and then promptly forgot about it.  I follow neither Telic Thoughts nor this site.  I did not have any reservations about attempting to raise consciousness at what has proven to be an unethical blog.  Nor did I try to disguise myself or my intentions, since I mentioned the name Frostman and gave links to my posts here. This is quite false. In fact anon9/frostman posted this on TT: Quote Many have been banned for this kind of confrontational style. One banned participant named Frostman documented his experience at Telic Thoughts Again this is just a sample of the level of deception here.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:23    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,08:22) Quote Name one My pleasure. Frostman wrote this: Quote Incidentally, anon9 is me.  I'd have spoken sooner had I been following things.  I made the comment way-back-when and then promptly forgot about it.  I follow neither Telic Thoughts nor this site.  I did not have any reservations about attempting to raise consciousness at what has proven to be an unethical blog.  Nor did I try to disguise myself or my intentions, since I mentioned the name Frostman and gave links to my posts here. This is quite false. In fact anon9/frostman posted this on TT: Quote Many have been banned for this kind of confrontational style. One banned participant named Frostman documented his experience at Telic Thoughts Again this is just a sample of the level of deception here. Congratulations. That's how you do it. Say something then support it with evidence. Now, there are several other questions, not least your changing position on the EF pending. Get going. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,08:23    Quote gutless otherwise provides evidence that it can carry on a worthwhile discussion lol, you're in the wrong place. This is a turd throwing fest, if you want meaningful discussion, go elsewhere. AE isn't called "the swamp" by pretty much everyone for nothing.

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