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blipey Posts: 2061 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,11:59    It's too long for my signature, but this is fabulous.  It's too bad that Ftk hs decided that it's a good time to be banned; she's just hilarious. The following is her chide of Ian Brown for needing evidence: Quote How did it fail? Why type of evidence are you looking for? Are you one of those atheists who needs a direct conversation with the big guy himself to actually believe He exists? See, EVIDENCE for god doesn't need to be face to face.  Yet, evidence for ToE needs to happen in her kitchen and it has to be of the kinds turning into other kinds type. Sometimes I just get stupider reading her posts. -------------- But I get the trick question- there isn't any such thing as one molecule of water. -JoeG And scientists rarely test theories. -Gary Gaulin

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:03    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,11:53) Oh, I'm not denying that, and goodness knows I hate to feed a potential martyr complex, but I think, for once, if you cut through the hyperbole and shrieking from FtK, what she says is, in essence, true. Lenny has reasons for what he does, don't get me wrong, but FtK is, for once as far as I can tell, being civil, and I think that banning her would not only feed the potential complex, but also be an error in judgement. I feel that FtK should be aloud to talk to anyone she likes on here, since she certainly is responding to people (albeit only vaugely and sporadically) and only clams up when people go on the offensive (as she interprets that). Since I was civil, and tipped my hat to her, metophorically speaking, she's responded to me in the exact way I expected her to, and while I'm not impressed with Mr Brown, it has been a learning curve for me, which is all I really wanted. I honestly don't think that FtK is in the wrong, as long as she calms down and admits to hyperbole in her damnation of Lenny. Ftk always sounds civil. I also do not want her banned. Ftk only sounds civil though. She has made a shed-load of claims here and consistently fails to back them up. If Ftk gets banned over the reason Wes posted it is her fault and only her fault. She has the choice to either back the claim or retract. You are being civil to Ftk but I have seen no evidence so-far that it is reciprocated. Yes, she sounds polite, then fails to answer (with evidence) questions regarding her claims. Sorry for derailing your line of inquiry, but as soon as Ftk answers a question (with substance) of yours, I will STFU.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:03    Quote (blipey @ June 29 2007,11:59) It's too long for my signature, but this is fabulous.  It's too bad that Ftk hs decided that it's a good time to be banned; she's just hilarious. The following is her chide of Ian Brown for needing evidence: Quote How did it fail? Why type of evidence are you looking for? Are you one of those atheists who needs a direct conversation with the big guy himself to actually believe He exists? See, EVIDENCE for god doesn't need to be face to face.  Yet, evidence for ToE needs to happen in her kitchen and it has to be of the kinds turning into other kinds type. Sometimes I just get stupider reading her posts. I don't disagree with that. Evidence for God could be a whole lot of things (I submitted a post about a few of the things to her, hasn't got through yet), and I've never seen any of it. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:06    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,12:03) Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,11:53) Oh, I'm not denying that, and goodness knows I hate to feed a potential martyr complex, but I think, for once, if you cut through the hyperbole and shrieking from FtK, what she says is, in essence, true. Lenny has reasons for what he does, don't get me wrong, but FtK is, for once as far as I can tell, being civil, and I think that banning her would not only feed the potential complex, but also be an error in judgement. I feel that FtK should be aloud to talk to anyone she likes on here, since she certainly is responding to people (albeit only vaugely and sporadically) and only clams up when people go on the offensive (as she interprets that). Since I was civil, and tipped my hat to her, metophorically speaking, she's responded to me in the exact way I expected her to, and while I'm not impressed with Mr Brown, it has been a learning curve for me, which is all I really wanted. I honestly don't think that FtK is in the wrong, as long as she calms down and admits to hyperbole in her damnation of Lenny. Ftk always sounds civil. I also do not want her banned. Ftk only sounds civil though. She has made a shed-load of claims here and consistently fails to back them up. If Ftk gets banned over the reason Wes posted it is her fault and only her fault. She has the choice to either back the claim or retract. You are being civil to Ftk but I have seen no evidence so-far that it is reciprocated. Yes, she sounds polite, then fails to answer (with evidence) questions regarding her claims. Sorry for derailing your line of inquiry, but as soon as Ftk answers a question (with substance) of yours, I will STFU. Oh no, don't get me wrong, I think she's being weasly as well (sorry FtK, but you are), however I dont think being weasly is a huge crime. It's annoying, and I would rather she answered, but to one such as I, where most things are a learning curve when it comes to psuedoscience (I had virtually no exposure to it, apart from quack medicine nonsense) any response she gives is top notch. As long as she answers a couple of questions at a time, in some way, even if it is just "read this" (let's not forget the constant stream of "read talk.origins") then I am happy with it. There's only one question I absolutely want her own 100% no faking or diverting opinion on, and if she answers that, I'll be more than pleased. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:07    Quote (blipey @ June 29 2007,11:59) It's too long for my signature, but this is fabulous.  It's too bad that Ftk hs decided that it's a good time to be banned; she's just hilarious. The following is her chide of Ian Brown for needing evidence:   Quote How did it fail? Why type of evidence are you looking for? Are you one of those atheists who needs a direct conversation with the big guy himself to actually believe He exists? See, EVIDENCE for god doesn't need to be face to face.  Yet, evidence for ToE needs to happen in her kitchen and it has to be of the kinds turning into other kinds type. Sometimes I just get stupider reading her posts. Yeah, here's an example:   Quote How did it fail? Why type of evidence are you looking for? Are you one of those atheists who needs a direct conversation with the big guy himself to actually believe He exists? Translated: How unreasonable can you atheists be, that NO EVIDENCE AT ALL isn't enough for you??? FTK was unhappy that we never let her discuss religion here. Arguing religion is a perfect fit for her fact-free/empericism-free style of debating. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:10    FTK is civil? Since when is accusing people of being full of BS with no basis in evidence and accusing basically the entirety of the scientific establishment (which disagrees with her drivel) of being deliberately blinkered atheist stooges trying to suppress the Truth (TM patent pending) civil? Oh she doesn't say "fuck" very often (if at all), but if people's standards of "civil" are so horrendously low then I am unimpressed. Civility in a discussion involves a bare minimum of honesty, good natured give and take, and some vague attempt at intellectual rigour. FTK has demonstrated nothing resembling civility. If she were genuinely curious then why hasn't she taken up the myriad polite AND civil offers of questions answered and topics discussed? Why is she continually bleating about "darwinist/atheist" persecution and refusing to support even the simplest claims she makes? Civil? Fuck off! ;-) Louis -------------- Bye.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:14    Quote (Louis @ June 29 2007,12:10) FTK is civil? Since when is accusing people of being full of BS with no basis in evidence and accusing basically the entirety of the scientific establishment (which disagrees with her drivel) of being deliberately blinkered atheist stooges trying to suppress the Truth (TM patent pending) civil? Oh she doesn't say "fuck" very often (if at all), but if people's standards of "civil" are so horrendously low then I am unimpressed. Civility in a discussion involves a bare minimum of honesty, good natured give and take, and some vague attempt at intellectual rigour. FTK has demonstrated nothing resembling civility. If she were genuinely curious then why hasn't she taken up the myriad polite AND civil offers of questions answered and topics discussed? Why is she continually bleating about "darwinist/atheist" persecution and refusing to support even the simplest claims she makes? Civil? Fuck off! ;-) Louis To be honest, I never claimed she was civil to eveyone, or to anyone but me. I personally take her not just refusing to answer everything and claming up totally muttering (or yelling) about "those darned atheists" to be at least somewhat civil. She does answer (some of) my questions, and as long as she continues to do so politely then I shall continue to state she is civil to me. She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:14    Quote (Louis @ June 29 2007,12:10) ... Civil? Fuck off! ;-) Louis FFS! That actualy did make me LOL! :D

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:21    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,12:14) ... She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Fair point. Lenny can be a tad anoying (at first). But does he say a single thing that you would dispute? I believe that like myself, you are from the UK and this seems (on 1st impression) like an honest discussion. It aint. The ID/Creationist side have been outright lying for decades. You will see. TBH. It shocked the hell outa me once I realised how bloody dishonest they are.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:22    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,19:14) Quote (Louis @ June 29 2007,12:10) FTK is civil? Since when is accusing people of being full of BS with no basis in evidence and accusing basically the entirety of the scientific establishment (which disagrees with her drivel) of being deliberately blinkered atheist stooges trying to suppress the Truth (TM patent pending) civil? Oh she doesn't say "fuck" very often (if at all), but if people's standards of "civil" are so horrendously low then I am unimpressed. Civility in a discussion involves a bare minimum of honesty, good natured give and take, and some vague attempt at intellectual rigour. FTK has demonstrated nothing resembling civility. If she were genuinely curious then why hasn't she taken up the myriad polite AND civil offers of questions answered and topics discussed? Why is she continually bleating about "darwinist/atheist" persecution and refusing to support even the simplest claims she makes? Civil? Fuck off! ;-) Louis To be honest, I never claimed she was civil to eveyone, or to anyone but me. I personally take her not just refusing to answer everything and claming up totally muttering (or yelling) about "those darned atheists" to be at least somewhat civil. She does answer (some of) my questions, and as long as she continues to do so politely then I shall continue to state she is civil to me. She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Ian, All granted, however perhaps, Lenny's more exciting proclivities aside, dear sweet FTK started out this way. Accusations, persecution complex, avoiding questions she cannot answer, advocating evidence free relativist drivel, failing to support her claims, assuming bias where none exists etc all came from poor, persecuted FTK BEFORE Lenny's latest bout of rampant intolerance. You're also not the only one who has been (almost without exception) civil and polite to FTK. Louis -------------- Bye.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:26    Quote (Louis @ June 29 2007,12:22) Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,19:14) Quote (Louis @ June 29 2007,12:10) FTK is civil? Since when is accusing people of being full of BS with no basis in evidence and accusing basically the entirety of the scientific establishment (which disagrees with her drivel) of being deliberately blinkered atheist stooges trying to suppress the Truth (TM patent pending) civil? Oh she doesn't say "fuck" very often (if at all), but if people's standards of "civil" are so horrendously low then I am unimpressed. Civility in a discussion involves a bare minimum of honesty, good natured give and take, and some vague attempt at intellectual rigour. FTK has demonstrated nothing resembling civility. If she were genuinely curious then why hasn't she taken up the myriad polite AND civil offers of questions answered and topics discussed? Why is she continually bleating about "darwinist/atheist" persecution and refusing to support even the simplest claims she makes? Civil? Fuck off! ;-) Louis To be honest, I never claimed she was civil to eveyone, or to anyone but me. I personally take her not just refusing to answer everything and claming up totally muttering (or yelling) about "those darned atheists" to be at least somewhat civil. She does answer (some of) my questions, and as long as she continues to do so politely then I shall continue to state she is civil to me. She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Ian, All granted, however perhaps, Lenny's more exciting proclivities aside, dear sweet FTK started out this way. Accusations, persecution complex, avoiding questions she cannot answer, advocating evidence free relativist drivel, failing to support her claims, assuming bias where none exists etc all came from poor, persecuted FTK BEFORE Lenny's latest bout of rampant intolerance. You're also not the only one who has been (almost without exception) civil and polite to FTK. Louis I didn't see her beginings, so I cant make a claim on that. It would not surprise me one bit if this were the case, but I can't answer. The thing is Louis, she has, up til now, be civil back. The minute she starts a screaming match/tries to accuse me of something I didn't do etc. I'll be right on ahead cheering Lenny all the way past the finish line. She hasn't yet, so I remain hopeful at least *I* can learn something about the other side's mindset, if nothing else, from FtK. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:28    Quote (Louis @ June 29 2007,12:22) ... You're also not the only one who has been (almost without exception) civil and polite to FTK. Louis Agreed. But I doubt that Ftk sees it that way. Pretty sad IMO.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:40    Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,19:26) The thing is Louis, she has, up til now, be civil back. The minute she starts a screaming match/tries to accuse me of something I didn't do etc. I'll be right on ahead cheering Lenny all the way past the finish line. She hasn't yet, so I remain hopeful at least *I* can learn something about the other side's mindset, if nothing else, from FtK. Disapproving of FTK's lack of civility in discussion does not equal cheering of Lenny. Cheering of Lenny equals cheering of Lenny. Again, how is FTK's conduct "civil"? I'll agree it's "polite" and that "polite" can be a subset of "civil", but I think FTK has been far from "civil". You'll learn plenty about the creationist mindset from FTK, I wish you only the most wonderful things in your researches! Try to appreciate that others might have learned a few things too. Louis -------------- Bye.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:46    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,12:21) Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,12:14) ... She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Fair point. Lenny can be a tad anoying (at first). But does he say a single thing that you would dispute? I believe that like myself, you are from the UK and this seems (on 1st impression) like an honest discussion. It aint. The ID/Creationist side have been outright lying for decades. You will see. TBH. It shocked the hell outa me once I realised how bloody dishonest they are. Oh god no, I dont think the creos are anything but lying and/or deluded wierdos who feel so insecure in their beliefs they feel they have to force them on anyone and everyone, and then claim the other side are doing exactly that. I just think SOME of them are, or at least can be, civil. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:47    Considering that she's gone over 400 posts without trying to have a sensible discussion about science, she was probably getting close to 'excessively annoying' anyway.

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:49    Quote (Louis @ June 29 2007,12:40) Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,19:26) The thing is Louis, she has, up til now, be civil back. The minute she starts a screaming match/tries to accuse me of something I didn't do etc. I'll be right on ahead cheering Lenny all the way past the finish line. She hasn't yet, so I remain hopeful at least *I* can learn something about the other side's mindset, if nothing else, from FtK. Disapproving of FTK's lack of civility in discussion does not equal cheering of Lenny. Cheering of Lenny equals cheering of Lenny. Again, how is FTK's conduct "civil"? I'll agree it's "polite" and that "polite" can be a subset of "civil", but I think FTK has been far from "civil". You'll learn plenty about the creationist mindset from FTK, I wish you only the most wonderful things in your researches! Try to appreciate that others might have learned a few things too. Louis Oh, I do understand all of that Louis, I wasn't saying that disagreeing with FtK was support of Lenny, but that if FtK were to brush me off, I WOULD support Lenny, as I feel I would be right to do so. I think she IS being civil (and note the next two words carefully) towards me. She DOES answer the questions (frankly, from what I've seen of creos, any response AT ALL should be considered a bonus) even if they are in a diverting way. I just think that since she's been civil (at least in some respects) to me, she shouldn't be lambasted as being a vile evil liar in total. She isn't. She just is (rightly or wrongly) to a few of you. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:54    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,12:21)             Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,12:14) ... She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Fair point. Lenny can be a tad anoying (at first). Opposite reaction here.  The schtick was funny at the start. It wasn't until after the fifth time through the complete repetoire, that it started to get annoying.             Quote But does he say a single thing that you would dispute? Actually, no. Here is my opinion on this whole deal.  It looks like a therapy group having a competition to prove who has the worst case of OCD.   FtK is right about one thing when she says she knows how this will turn out.  Let me summarize:         Quote START FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity  - "Okay, then what about this specific case?" FtK  - "I addressed that 3 years ago at the KCFS forum.  Go look it up" Albatrossity  - "Why should I do your work for you?  Tell me now in your own words?" Oldman - "While you are here, show me the proof of design?" FtK - "No time now, I have to go to work/go to a ball game/fix dinner/Read Icons of Evolution again" WAIT 1 DAY FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity and Oldman (in unison) - "What about our questions?" Arden - "Yeah. What about their questions?" FtK - "You athiest meanies!  I'm out of here!" Lenny - "Bye. Don't forget to take your big bucket of martyrdom with you." WAIT 4 DAYS Blipey - "She ran away again." Lenny- {Shrug} FtK - "I'm not afraid of any of you. I'll answer your questions this weekend." RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" FtK - {swoon} Albatrossity - What about my common descent question" GO TO START Have I missed anything? -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

IanBrown_101 Posts: 927 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:56    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54) Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,12:21)               Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,12:14) ... She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Fair point. Lenny can be a tad anoying (at first). Opposite reaction here.  The schtick was funny at the start. It wasn't until after the fifth time through the complete repetoire, that it started to get annoying.             Quote But does he say a single thing that you would dispute? Actually, no. Here is my opinion on this whole deal.  It looks like a therapy group having a competition to prove who has the worst case of OCD.   FtK is right about one thing when she says she knows how this will turn out.  Let me summarize:         Quote START FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity  - "Okay, then what about this specific case?" FtK  - "I addressed that 3 years ago at the KCFS forum.  Go look it up" Albatrossity  - "Why should I do your work for you?  Tell me now in your own words?" Oldman - "While you are here, show me the proof of design?" FtK - "No time now, I have to go to work/go to a ball game/fix dinner/Read Icons of Evolution again" WAIT 1 DAY FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity and Oldman (in unison) - "What about our questions?" Arden - "Yeah. What about their questions?" FtK - "You athiest meanies!  I'm out of here!" Lenny - "Bye. Don't forget to take your big bucket of martyrdom with you." WAIT 4 DAYS Blipey - "She ran away again." Lenny- {Shrug} FtK - "I'm not afraid of any of you. I'll answer your questions this weekend." RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" FtK - {swoon} Albatrossity - What about my common descent question" GO TO START Have I missed anything? No, that's a pretty fair covering. I think you have it all. -------------- I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest. You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK Roddenberry is my God.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,12:58    If FtK wants to complain she's being mistreated, she's welcome to set a better example. However, something tells me that were I to visit her blog, I would not be allowed to post 447 straight comments with no interference.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,13:02    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54)   Quote START FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity  - "Okay, then what about this specific case?" FtK  - "I addressed that 3 years ago at the KCFS forum.  Go look it up" Albatrossity  - "Why should I do your work for you?  Tell me now in your own words?" Oldman - "While you are here, show me the proof of design?" FtK - "No time now, I have to go to work/go to a ball game/fix dinner/Read Icons of Evolution again" WAIT 1 DAY FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity and Oldman (in unison) - "What about our questions?" Arden - "Yeah. What about their questions?" FtK - "You athiest meanies!  I'm out of here!" Lenny - "Bye. Don't forget to take your big bucket of martyrdom with you." WAIT 4 DAYS Blipey - "She ran away again." Lenny- {Shrug} FtK - "I'm not afraid of any of you. I'll answer your questions this weekend." RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" FtK - {swoon} Albatrossity - What about my common descent question" GO TO START Have I missed anything? No, that pretty well sums it up.  But now I have to explain to the office staff why I am giggling so hard.  Thanks a lot... -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,13:07    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54) Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,12:21)               Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,12:14) ... She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Fair point. Lenny can be a tad anoying (at first). Opposite reaction here.  The schtick was funny at the start. It wasn't until after the fifth time through the complete repetoire, that it started to get annoying.             Quote But does he say a single thing that you would dispute? Actually, no. Here is my opinion on this whole deal.  It looks like a therapy group having a competition to prove who has the worst case of OCD.   FtK is right about one thing when she says she knows how this will turn out.  Let me summarize:         Quote START FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity  - "Okay, then what about this specific case?" FtK  - "I addressed that 3 years ago at the KCFS forum.  Go look it up" Albatrossity  - "Why should I do your work for you?  Tell me now in your own words?" Oldman - "While you are here, show me the proof of design?" FtK - "No time now, I have to go to work/go to a ball game/fix dinner/Read Icons of Evolution again" WAIT 1 DAY FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity and Oldman (in unison) - "What about our questions?" Arden - "Yeah. What about their questions?" FtK - "You athiest meanies!  I'm out of here!" Lenny - "Bye. Don't forget to take your big bucket of martyrdom with you." WAIT 4 DAYS Blipey - "She ran away again." Lenny- {Shrug} FtK - "I'm not afraid of any of you. I'll answer your questions this weekend." RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" FtK - {swoon} Albatrossity - What about my common descent question" GO TO START Have I missed anything? Alternatively: 1)Ftk makes a claim. 2)It gets disputed with evidence. 3)Ftk: Waits for an excuse to dodge claim 2).

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,13:10    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54) Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,12:21)               Quote (IanBrown_101 @ June 29 2007,12:14) ... She's not the easiest person to talk to on this, but if I had someone like Lenny hurling a huge spew of posts at me everywhere I turned up even if he did have good points, I'd be pretty defensive too. Fair point. Lenny can be a tad anoying (at first). Opposite reaction here.  The schtick was funny at the start. It wasn't until after the fifth time through the complete repetoire, that it started to get annoying.               Quote But does he say a single thing that you would dispute? Actually, no. Here is my opinion on this whole deal.  It looks like a therapy group having a competition to prove who has the worst case of OCD.   FtK is right about one thing when she says she knows how this will turn out.  Let me summarize:           Quote START FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity  - "Okay, then what about this specific case?" FtK  - "I addressed that 3 years ago at the KCFS forum.  Go look it up" Albatrossity  - "Why should I do your work for you?  Tell me now in your own words?" Oldman - "While you are here, show me the proof of design?" FtK - "No time now, I have to go to work/go to a ball game/fix dinner/Read Icons of Evolution again" WAIT 1 DAY FtK - "There is no proof of common descent - only wishful thinking." Albatrossity and Oldman (in unison) - "What about our questions?" Arden - "Yeah. What about their questions?" FtK - "You athiest meanies!  I'm out of here!" Lenny - "Bye. Don't forget to take your big bucket of martyrdom with you." WAIT 4 DAYS Blipey - "She ran away again." Lenny- {Shrug} FtK - "I'm not afraid of any of you. I'll answer your questions this weekend." RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" FtK - {swoon} Albatrossity - What about my common descent question" GO TO START Have I missed anything? Completely brilliant. I think Steve Story is now obliged to hand over moderating duties to you. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,13:14    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,13:07)   Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54) Have I missed anything? Alternatively: 1)Ftk makes a claim. 2)It gets disputed with evidence. 3)Ftk: Waits for an excuse to dodge claim 2). True.  Now, I'd like to suggest adding an IF..THEN statement that once we've been through this routine...say.....four times we go directly to END. It is almost enough to make me looking forward to Steve telling us about the habanero pot pie he made last night. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,13:16    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 29 2007,14:10) I think Steve Story is now obliged to hand over moderating duties to you. Anyone who wants those duties, please send me a PM making the case that you'll be a good moderator.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,13:17    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,14:14) It is almost enough to make me looking forward to Steve telling us about the habanero pot pie he made last night.

deejay Posts: 113 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,13:18    Quote (Stephen Elliott @ June 29 2007,10:51)  Ftk, as a controling point, try and parody an "evilutionist" on an ID site. Pretend that you suport evolution on UD, argue pro-evo arguments there. See how long it takes to get banned. Can you really not see the difference? Unfortunately, this assumes that Ftk is capable of making pro-evolution arguments.  She's had months of opportunity here to learn them, and years of opportunities elsewhere.  Currently, her understanding of evolutionary theory isn't good enough to pass a basic high school level test on the subjet.  This just strikes me as really sad. A couple of rhetorical questions, Ftk:  Do you understand that in spite of the laughs some here have had at your expense, many people on this board have made a very genuine effort to improve your understanding of evolutionary theory?  In spite of their best efforts, for which they stand to receive no tangible rewards, you are deciding to play the victim.  Why is that? Just to be clear, you don't have to answer these questions here.  But you might want to find someone who can help you find constructive answers to them.  Good luck to you.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,14:34    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54)           Quote RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" [Lip tremble] Ooooh, that hurts. I have feelings, you know. [/Lip tremble] -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,14:42    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 29 2007,14:34) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54)             Quote RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" [Lip tremble] Ooooh, that hurts. I have feelings, you know. [/Lip tremble] There, there, Richard. It's okay. All men have feelings.  They are angry, hungry, thirsty, horny, and sleepy. If you have a feeling that isn't on that list, I don't know what to say. Yes I do: HOMO. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,14:47    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,14:42) Yes I do: HOMO. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID IN YOUR SAME SEX CIVIL CEREMONY? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 29 2007,15:02    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 29 2007,14:34) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 29 2007,12:54)           Quote RTH - "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO" [Lip tremble] Ooooh, that hurts. I have feelings, you know. [/Lip tremble] Richard, I would have you know that "HUBBA HUBBA YABBA DABBA DOOO"  is an exact quote from a post you made here last February 31st. Look it up if you don't believe me.   -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

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