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Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2010,07:44    I wonder why IBelieve is so reluctant to answer our questions?  I mean, he refuses to explain why it is folly for us to assume that the Discovery Institute lied when they were quoting that scientist, even though the Discovery Institute deliberately rephrased the author's words to imply that she was saying that evolutionary development magically disproves evolution, and that her original words claimed something completely opposite? On the other hand, the moment IBelieve gets back, he's going to make some condescending excuse about how he interrupted his precious internet trolling time because he needed to do some errand for his alleged real life where he makes gobs upon gobs of more money that stupid evil scientists. And then he's going to change the subject, and then mock us because he is physically incapable of answering any of our questions truthfully.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2010,08:25    Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 08 2010,07:44) I wonder why IBelieve is so reluctant to answer our questions?  I mean, he refuses to explain why it is folly for us to assume that the Discovery Institute lied when they were quoting that scientist, even though the Discovery Institute deliberately rephrased the author's words to imply that she was saying that evolutionary development magically disproves evolution, and that her original words claimed something completely opposite? On the other hand, the moment IBelieve gets back, he's going to make some condescending excuse about how he interrupted his precious internet trolling time because he needed to do some errand for his alleged real life where he makes gobs upon gobs of more money that stupid evil scientists. And then he's going to change the subject, and then mock us because he is physically incapable of answering any of our questions truthfully. I bet the new response will be a link to a youtube video and a "how about that" It's almost a shame.  I really want to have a conversation, but when someone is as unpenetrably thick as IBIG, it's very difficult. I'm thinking that I'll start laying out the evidence for Common Descent and let IBIG have at it. I'd also really like a conversation on Flood geology. What's it to be IBIG? -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

prong_hunter Posts: 45 Joined: May 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2010,17:20    I too would like to discuss 'flood geology' with IBIG but I fear it is impossible. He seems incapable of original thought. He only parrots what he's been fed and what he chooses to believe, blindly. He sees neither the consequences of his statements nor the illogic of his arguments, yet he calls himself a master of logic. He cannot reason. He declares victory on the Bathroom Wall after clogging it to a standstill with his 'effluent', justifying his existence, and proving he is 'right'.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 08 2010,18:26    Quote (prong_hunter @ Nov. 08 2010,18:20) I too would like to discuss 'flood geology' with IBIG but I fear it is impossible. He seems incapable of original thought. He only parrots what he's been fed and what he chooses to believe, blindly. He sees neither the consequences of his statements nor the illogic of his arguments, yet he calls himself a master of logic. He cannot reason. He declares victory on the Bathroom Wall after clogging it to a standstill with his 'effluent', justifying his existence, and proving he is 'right'. This guy sounds very much like an AFDave style TARD. how utterly boring. If you've seen one TARDbucket, you've seen them all. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 09 2010,07:46    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 08 2010,18:26) Quote (prong_hunter @ Nov. 08 2010,18:20) I too would like to discuss 'flood geology' with IBIG but I fear it is impossible. He seems incapable of original thought. He only parrots what he's been fed and what he chooses to believe, blindly. He sees neither the consequences of his statements nor the illogic of his arguments, yet he calls himself a master of logic. He cannot reason. He declares victory on the Bathroom Wall after clogging it to a standstill with his 'effluent', justifying his existence, and proving he is 'right'. This guy sounds very much like an AFDave style TARD. how utterly boring. If you've seen one TARDbucket, you've seen them all. Nah, he's not as good as AFDave was.  He doesn't have a hypothesis.  He pretends to know about science, but I think he knows enough to know that he has an untenable position. Between that and discovery quotemines... blech. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

DSDS Posts: 8 Joined: Oct. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,08:41    Well it looks like we have finally rid ourselves of the blemish on the butt of humanity that was IBIBS (AKA Ibigot).  As he sinks slowly into the west and becomes nothing more than the fading memory of hopeless incompetence, we bid a not so fond farewell to the undisputed master of wrongness, the sultan of illogic, the pinnacle of ineptitude.   Too bad, it would really be fun to play poker with a guy who believes that, if a pair of aces doesn't always win, then it never wins!

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,08:59    I declare victory.  Since IBIG hasn't answered any of our questions, then his religion is incapable of doing so and he's a poopy-head. I submit that IBIG is the best evidence that god does not exist.  Who would knowingly have someone like IBIG supporting them? The biggest problem is how to reach the dumb-as-bricks religious fundies that are in positions of power? -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

prong_hunter Posts: 45 Joined: May 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,11:31    Quote (OgreMkV @ Nov. 10 2010,08:59) I declare victory.  Since IBIG hasn't answered any of our questions, then his religion is incapable of doing so and he's a poopy-head. I submit that IBIG is the best evidence that god does not exist.  Who would knowingly have someone like IBIG supporting them? The biggest problem is how to reach the dumb-as-bricks religious fundies that are in positions of power? Congratulations.  I agree, you won. Having read the last few pages of the Bathroom Wall I see that IBIG declared (and I paraphrase), "All you Pandas don't believe in Absolutes (like me), therefore you cannot say I am wrong.  Therefore you and your worldview are irrational, and I declare Victory." Pathetic, mindless beetle. What bothers me is the dumb-as-bricks religious fundies that are in positions of power really are smart as foxes.  They know exactly what they are doing. Heaven help us. (Dont worry, it's just a cultural saying.)

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,11:50    Quote (prong_hunter @ Nov. 10 2010,11:31) What bothers me is the dumb-as-bricks religious fundies that are in positions of power really are smart as foxes.  They know exactly what they are doing. Heaven help us. (Dont worry, it's just a cultural saying.) You know, I honestly can't decide whether I agree with this or not. Without knowing the actual person involved, it's very (impossible?) to tell if they have a world mastery plan and are just using religion as their opiate of the masses or if they really are true believers (that also believe they can do whatever they want and use a 'I'm a weak person' get-out-of-jail-free card). I have a hard time believing that these people are that smart (in the first case) or that dumb (in the second case). The only other option I can think of, is pure brain washing.  They have been conditioned and when combined with Morton's demon and Krueger-Dunning, we get characters like IBIG, AFDave, Floyd, and fundie Republicans. I'm also at a loss, because I prefer to vote conservative because I am a Constitutionalist, but the theocratic world they invision scares the crap out of me. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

phhht Posts: 38 Joined: Oct. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,18:41    This will be of interest to those who followed Poofster's attempt to discuss eyes: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010....th-eyes -------------- Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothese-la. -- Pierre Simon Laplace, explaining the absence of any mention of God in his work

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,19:02    Quote (phhht @ Nov. 10 2010,18:41) This will be of interest to those who followed Poofster's attempt to discuss eyes: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2010....th-eyes Yes, but what good are they? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,19:24    Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 09 2010,00:26) [SNIP] TARDbucket [SNIP] Terry Pratchett introduced me to the idea of a "crab bucket". Fill a bucket with crabs, if one crab tries to leave, another crab is sure to grab him with a pincer and prevent him. As the crabs in the bucket are due for slaughter, this guarantees no crab survives because of the thoughtless selfishness of the other crabs. I am wondering if an analogy can be made. Let me see... Fill a bucket with humans, if one human tries to leave, another human is sure to infuritate him with meaningless TARD and prevent him doing something productive. As the humans in the bucket rely on each other to be able to do anything productive, this guarantees no human can progress because of the thoughtless selfishness of the other humans. Nah, couldn't be right could it? Louis -------------- Bye.

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 10 2010,21:18    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 10 2010,19:24) Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 09 2010,00:26) [SNIP] TARDbucket [SNIP] Terry Pratchett introduced me to the idea of a "crab bucket". Fill a bucket with crabs, if one crab tries to leave, another crab is sure to grab him with a pincer and prevent him. As the crabs in the bucket are due for slaughter, this guarantees no crab survives because of the thoughtless selfishness of the other crabs. I am wondering if an analogy can be made. Let me see... Fill a bucket with humans, if one human tries to leave, another human is sure to infuritate him with meaningless TARD and prevent him doing something productive. As the humans in the bucket rely on each other to be able to do anything productive, this guarantees no human can progress because of the thoughtless selfishness of the other humans. Nah, couldn't be right could it? Louis Well, if you examine crabs a little more closer (while still remaining out of reach), the "crab bucket" analogy fails, if only because a crab is capable of, and somewhat willing to shed a limb when the circumstance arises.  (In fact, ask my mother about any of the times I've tried to recapture escaping crabs from their bucket at the local supermarket) On the other hand, what with humans being mostly incapable of, and largely unwilling to shed limbs (overly gory horror films notwithstanding), and given humans' often deliberately stupid behavior is often exacerbated in a crowd and or tight spaces, the "crab bucket" analogy fits humans to a tee.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,13:23    Ah, so humans are harder to disarm than crabs are?

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,13:32    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 11 2010,13:23) Ah, so humans are harder to disarm than crabs are?  :O By arthropod standards, that is our fatal flaw, even.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,13:38    Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 11 2010,03:18) Quote (Louis @ Nov. 10 2010,19:24) Quote (Lou FCD @ Nov. 09 2010,00:26) [SNIP] TARDbucket [SNIP] Terry Pratchett introduced me to the idea of a "crab bucket". Fill a bucket with crabs, if one crab tries to leave, another crab is sure to grab him with a pincer and prevent him. As the crabs in the bucket are due for slaughter, this guarantees no crab survives because of the thoughtless selfishness of the other crabs. I am wondering if an analogy can be made. Let me see... Fill a bucket with humans, if one human tries to leave, another human is sure to infuritate him with meaningless TARD and prevent him doing something productive. As the humans in the bucket rely on each other to be able to do anything productive, this guarantees no human can progress because of the thoughtless selfishness of the other humans. Nah, couldn't be right could it? Louis Well, if you examine crabs a little more closer (while still remaining out of reach), the "crab bucket" analogy fails, if only because a crab is capable of, and somewhat willing to shed a limb when the circumstance arises.  (In fact, ask my mother about any of the times I've tried to recapture escaping crabs from their bucket at the local supermarket) On the other hand, what with humans being mostly incapable of, and largely unwilling to shed limbs (overly gory horror films notwithstanding), and given humans' often deliberately stupid behavior is often exacerbated in a crowd and or tight spaces, the "crab bucket" analogy fits humans to a tee. Sorry but we are discussing the vagueries of TARD and thus creationists. You have brought an argument which involves FACTS. Are you quite stark, raving mad? I can only refer the honourable gentleman to this counter argument: I refute you THUS! Hurrah! Louis -------------- Bye.

MadPanda, FCD Posts: 267 Joined: Nov. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,16:49    Awwwww, did he leave?  And we were going to crown him King of the Winter Carnival, too...(/Val Kilmer) Eh bien. Perhaps Biggy is simply taking a little time off, hoping that absence will make us fonder of him.    Given the paucity of the arguments that seemed to impress our missing friend, it would not surprise me to find that such a thought had bubbled to the surface of his cranial cauldron. The MadPanda, FCD -------------- "No matter how ridiculous the internet tough guy, a thorough mocking is more effective than a swift kick to the gentleman vegetables with a hobnailed boot" --Louis

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,17:30    Doubt it... he's a coward.  He also wants an audience. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,17:33    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 11 2010,13:38) Don't trifle with me, Louis, I know a recipe for crab that's so delicious that, if you spilled any on yourself, you'd spontaneously cannibalize the bodypart it spattered on.

prong_hunter Posts: 45 Joined: May 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,17:34    Here's Ken Ham recent blogging about some evil secularist: "Now when it comes to the origins issue, there are many chat rooms and forums that are set up for people to debate this topic. However, some secularists aren’t content with that, as they just want to attack and disrupt Christian ministries. When we first started the www.IamNotAshamed.org website, over a few nights some secularists left thousands of messages—thousands. They were spamming our site to try to totally disrupt it. We had to ban them." Think he mentioned the likes of IBIG?  Noooooooooooooo. Hyprocrite - evil, wicked hypocrite.

MadPanda, FCD Posts: 267 Joined: Nov. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,17:45    Quote Hyprocrite - evil, wicked hypocrite. What?  Ken Ham might not have the integrity and intellectual honesty to act in good faith on such a matter?  I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Why, next you'll tell me that Biggy blithely ignored a ton of meaningful, content-laden responses to his...oh, yeah.  But I bet he never lied!  Oh, wait.  Uhm.  Surely he didn't excuse all manner of horrible acts simply because someone... Awww, maaaaan. The MadPanda, FCD -------------- "No matter how ridiculous the internet tough guy, a thorough mocking is more effective than a swift kick to the gentleman vegetables with a hobnailed boot" --Louis

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,17:54    I know... lightening finally hit him.  Or maybe his nose finally punched through the sheetrock and now he's stuck in his room. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,18:44    Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 11 2010,23:33) [quote=Louis,Nov. 11 2010,13:38][/quote] Don't trifle with me, Louis, I know a recipe for crab that's so delicious that, if you spilled any on yourself, you'd spontaneously cannibalize the bodypart it spattered on. Crab trifle? Doesn't sound that good. Either way, I'm not intimi...imint...inimt...afraid. I have a picture of Robocop on a unicorn and I'm willing to use it. Don't push me, man. I've had some lager. Louis -------------- Bye.

phhht Posts: 38 Joined: Oct. 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,20:11    Quote (Louis @ Nov. 11 2010,18:44)   Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 11 2010,23:33)   Quote (Louis @ Nov. 11 2010,13:38) Don't trifle with me, Louis, I know a recipe for crab that's so delicious that, if you spilled any on yourself, you'd spontaneously cannibalize the bodypart it spattered on. Crab trifle? Doesn't sound that good. Either way, I'm not intimi...imint...inimt...afraid. I have a picture of Robocop on a unicorn and I'm willing to use it. Don't push me, man. I've had some lager. Louis Be cautious, Louis.  The crab recipe may have scorpions in it, or worse, pumpkinated vodka. -------------- Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothese-la. -- Pierre Simon Laplace, explaining the absence of any mention of God in his work

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 11 2010,20:46    Quote (phhht @ Nov. 11 2010,20:11) Quote (Louis @ Nov. 11 2010,18:44)   Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 11 2010,23:33)   Quote (Louis @ Nov. 11 2010,13:38) Don't trifle with me, Louis, I know a recipe for crab that's so delicious that, if you spilled any on yourself, you'd spontaneously cannibalize the bodypart it spattered on. Crab trifle? Doesn't sound that good. Either way, I'm not intimi...imint...inimt...afraid. I have a picture of Robocop on a unicorn and I'm willing to use it. Don't push me, man. I've had some lager. Louis Be cautious, Louis.  The crab recipe may have scorpions in it, or worse, pumpkinated vodka. Worse, far worse... It has sherry and tapioca flour...

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 12 2010,04:22    Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 12 2010,02:46) Quote (phhht @ Nov. 11 2010,20:11)   Quote (Louis @ Nov. 11 2010,18:44)     Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 11 2010,23:33)     Quote (Louis @ Nov. 11 2010,13:38) Don't trifle with me, Louis, I know a recipe for crab that's so delicious that, if you spilled any on yourself, you'd spontaneously cannibalize the bodypart it spattered on. Crab trifle? Doesn't sound that good. Either way, I'm not intimi...imint...inimt...afraid. I have a picture of Robocop on a unicorn and I'm willing to use it. Don't push me, man. I've had some lager. Louis Be cautious, Louis.  The crab recipe may have scorpions in it, or worse, pumpkinated vodka. Worse, far worse... It has sherry and tapioca flour... Sherry? Don't talk to me about sherry. I had my sherry monocle* on last night.... Louis *HT to Hughes who introduced me to this bloke. Most amusing. -------------- Bye.

Stanton Posts: 266 Joined: Jan. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2010,07:52    So, is this it? IBelieveInGod declares defeat by slinking off and disappearing? Louis is a roaring drunk? (not that that has anything to do with the situation)

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2010,08:34    Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 16 2010,07:52) So, is this it? IBelieveInGod declares defeat by slinking off and disappearing? Louis is a roaring drunk? (not that that has anything to do with the situation) I guess so.   What's with these creobots these days?  No stamina at all.  Heck AFDAve repeated his crap here for 6 months, probably longer, but I'm scared to delve that deep into ATBC. Ah well, back to Amazon. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2010,09:50    Quote (Stanton @ Nov. 16 2010,13:52) [SNIP] Louis is a roaring drunk? [SNIP] I do not roar! Vicious lies! Anyway, rather boringly, I am back on the health kick until the New Year. There was a temporary aberration due to birthday and rugby and such like. As such, I have 5 or 6 weeks of no drinking booze and more eating lettuce to go. So there. With knobs on. Woe betide any foolish creationist or woo peddler who crosses my path in this time. They will feel the full brunt of my tired and underfed wrath, which, since it is tired and underfed won't be volcanic, but it might reach weak sarcasm. Louis -------------- Bye.

skeptic reborn Posts: 16 Joined: Nov. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2010,23:29    Hate to let a potentially promising thread just whimper and die.  So, do you guys require an irrational YECist to kick around or would a semi-rational theist do?

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