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Posted: Feb. 23 2019,13:59

There are 15 front page stories currently at UD, posted over the last 4 days. Here are the number of comments on each.

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Sad. Low-Energy.

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Posted: Feb. 23 2019,17:07

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 23 2019,14:59)

There are 15 front page stories currently at UD, posted over the last 4 days. Here are the number of comments on each.

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Sad. Low-Energy.

What happens when the containment vessel ruptures? Will the denizens of UD be released on the wider 'net? Should we make a point of clicking on a few ads there every day to keep the infection isolated?

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Posted: Feb. 23 2019,17:13

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What happens when the containment vessel ruptures? Will the denizens of UD be released on the wider 'net? Should we make a point of clicking on a few ads there every day to keep the infection isolated?

I do wonder where they're going to go when u d inevitably shuts down. If I still had a sock there I would ask them.

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Posted: Feb. 23 2019,17:21

The only other ID blog that has any activity that I can think of is evolution news and views, and it doesn't allow comments.

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Posted: Feb. 23 2019,17:30

the ID blogroll is now 90% dead links

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Posted: Feb. 23 2019,18:55

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The only other ID blog that has any activity that I can think of is evolution news and views, and it doesn't allow comments.

Don't worry. Tranny Joe Sharon Gallien, certified ID expert, will keep the ID torch burning bright on his ten hits a month shithole blog.

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Posted: Feb. 24 2019,12:23

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AaronS1978 February 24, 2019 at 10:33 am
Sooooooooooooooooooooooo I’m about to pull a BA77, so I apologize for how long this is.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Posted: Feb. 26 2019,08:42

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What happens when the containment vessel ruptures? Will the denizens of UD be released on the wider 'net? Should we make a point of clicking on a few ads there every day to keep the infection isolated?

The vessel has already ruptured. Despite everyone's best efforts at AtBC, Tard has escaped containment, and led to a meltdown.

A widespread effort at limiting the damage is underway, but the fight is against the odds at this point.

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Posted: Feb. 26 2019,10:47

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Hazel February 26, 2019 at 10:11 am
But I was focusing on exactly what you don’t want to focus on, so leave me out of it. And I didn’t take Pat to be poetical: I don’t think you should dismiss the part I said was empty by calling it poetical.

My question to you is to explain your thoughts on the leap from “mind is primary at the root level of reality ” to “the Creator (designer) specifically gave us the way various sensations appear to us, including the sense of pleasure or distaste.”

If you don’t want to discuss that, again, then don’t use my quote as the springboard for your post.

Or answer my questions. One or the other.

He could do the ethical thing, and stop abusing Helen's quote, but we all know that he won't, and we'll just get thousands of words of kairosfocus's usual salad of flubbed intro to philosophy gibberish.

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Edited by stevestory on Feb. 26 2019,11:49

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,01:48

I think it’s pretty well known here that Michael Behe has a new book coming out and that Joshua Swamidass, Nathan Lents and Richard Lenski have issued a review, having been given access to the book pre-release. So far, so uncontroversial, this has been mentioned in lots of places, including TSZ and Swamidass’ own blog, with UD regular Mung actively commenting on the topic on each. However the review is quite negative, and back at UD today, the release day, he takes a new angle:

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I get the distinct feeling that Joshua Swamidass didn’t actually read the book before “reviewing” it. It’s available on Kindle today.

Mung, disingenuous shit

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,02:29

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 27 2019,01:48)

I think it’s pretty well known here that Michael Behe has a new book coming out and that Joshua Swamidass, Nathan Lents and Richard Lenski have issued a review, having been given access to the book pre-release. So far, so uncontroversial, this has been mentioned in lots of places, including TSZ and Swamidass’ own blog, with UD regular Mung actively commenting on the topic on each. However the review is quite negative, and back at UD today, the release day, he takes a new angle:

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February 26, 2019 at 6:36 am
I get the distinct feeling that Joshua Swamidass didn’t actually read the book before “reviewing” it. It’s available on Kindle today.

Mung, disingenuous shit

At least Denyse offers a realistic assessment of what to find in Behe's book:

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Misrepresenters will no longer have a simple advantage (others can’t know or defend what they haven’t read).

Expect many dirty tricks. It’s not like very many people want an honest discussion of what natural selection can/can’t do.

(Note: I haven't read Behe's book either, so I'll happily acknowledge that I might be being unfair)

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,08:25

From my post at TSZ:

Here are the posts and comments which Uncommon Descent received for each month from Apr 2005 until Dec 2018. The area of the circles is proportional to the number of views those posts gathered until mid-February 2019 (and most probably starting sometimes in 2011…)

The years can be seen more clearly in the faceted view:

Year Articles Comments Views
2005 600 9000 125000
2006 1100 23000 274000
2007 900 23000 527000
2008 800 23000 413000
2009 900 41000 446000
2010 900 25000 359000
2011 2900 42000 1701000
2012 2000 28000 1407000
2013 1700 43000 1503000
2014 2300 58000 1784000
2015 1900 51000 1038000
2016 1900 27000 812000
2017 1600 24000 719000
2018 1700 22000 844000

Edited by stevestory on Feb. 27 2019,11:08

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,11:51

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 27 2019,01:48)

I think it’s pretty well known here that Michael Behe has a new book coming out and that Joshua Swamidass, Nathan Lents and Richard Lenski have issued a review, having been given access to the book pre-release. So far, so uncontroversial, this has been mentioned in lots of places, including TSZ and Swamidass’ own blog, with UD regular Mung actively commenting on the topic on each. However the review is quite negative, and back at UD today, the release day, he takes a new angle:

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Mung
February 26, 2019 at 6:36 am
I get the distinct feeling that Joshua Swamidass didn’t actually read the book before “reviewing” it. It’s available on Kindle today.

Mung, disingenuous shit

Mung is about this close -->| |<-- to being banned at Peaceful Science for his constant trolling and snark. He's been told by Dr. S he's on a very short leash. Not surprising Mung would take cheap shots at Dr.S over at UD where he can lie and smear with impunity.

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"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
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"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,14:28

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Not surprising Mung would take cheap shots at Dr.S over at UD where he can lie and smear with impunity.

If you found a creationist who wasn't a habitual liar, I'd be surprised.

Edited by stevestory on Feb. 27 2019,15:28

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,19:53

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Not surprising Mung would take cheap shots at Dr.S over at UD where he can lie and smear with impunity.

If you found a creationist who wasn't a habitual liar, I'd be surprised.

I can think of 2 (two) Creationists who aren't habitual liars: Kurt Wise, and Todd Wood.

Kind of depressing that Honest Creationists are rare enough that they can be counted on half the fingers of one hand.

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,20:28

Quote (Cubist @ Feb. 27 2019,19:53)

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Not surprising Mung would take cheap shots at Dr.S over at UD where he can lie and smear with impunity.

If you found a creationist who wasn't a habitual liar, I'd be surprised.

I can think of 2 (two) Creationists who aren't habitual liars: Kurt Wise, and Todd Wood.

Kind of depressing that Honest Creationists are rare enough that they can be counted on half the fingers of one hand.

Sadly even Wise has been caught telling the occasional "white lie" in defense of his YEC views. Here is one example from an AIG article by Wise on the completeness of the fossil record. Wise makes the following claim:

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Wise: "One way to determine how good the fossil record is at preserving species is simply to count how many living species are also known as fossils, regardless of whether the fossils were made before, during, or after the Flood. At least two studies have done that. In one study Björn Kurtén determined that 88% of the mammal species living in Europe today are also present in the fossil record in Europe, and 99% are present in the fossil record somewhere on earth."

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Problem is the Kurtén book doesn't say that. It says 88% of mammal species living in Europe today have their ancestral forms found in the fossil record of Europe i.e. most extant species evolved in Europe instead of migrating from elsewhere.

Wise doesn't go for the big lie but instead prefers to slip thise small hard to catch ones in when no one's looking.

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,22:20

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Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 27 2019,12:51)

Not surprising Mung would take cheap shots at Dr.S over at UD where he can lie and smear with impunity.

If you found a creationist who wasn't a habitual liar, I'd be surprised.

Would Heddle be considered a Creationist?

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Posted: Feb. 27 2019,22:45

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Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 27 2019,13:28)

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Not surprising Mung would take cheap shots at Dr.S over at UD where he can lie and smear with impunity.

If you found a creationist who wasn't a habitual liar, I'd be surprised.

Would Heddle be considered a Creationist?

I guess I should have been more specific. Of course you can find creationists who aren't liars. Most of my Kentucky / Tennessee extended family are Creationists who aren't liars, they just have zero science education and don't know any better. When I said creationists who aren't liars, I was talking about the active types like Behe, Meyer, Sherrie-Joe, Mung, etc.

Heddle didn't seem to be a liar, he just had his own unique malfunctional 'argument'. he seemed to be a much better person than the type of scum who become part of the movement.

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Posted: Mar. 01 2019,13:14

Year: Unique Editors
2005: 447
2006: 769
2007: 732
2008: 766
2009: 764
2010: 563
2011: 669
2012: 494
2013: 507
2014: 580
2015: 500
2016: 376
2017: 299
2018: 278

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Posted: Mar. 02 2019,13:51

Lewonton!!! With a twist.

In the Michael Egnor why only animals can talk thread, we're told:

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Leading Evolutionary Scientists Admit We Have No Evolutionary Explanation of Human Language – December 19, 2014
Excerpt: Understanding the evolution of language requires evidence regarding origins and processes that led to change. In the last 40 years, there has been an explosion of research on this problem as well as a sense that considerable progress has been made. We argue instead that the richness of ideas is accompanied by a poverty of evidence, with essentially no explanation of how and why our linguistic computations and representations evolved.,,,
(Marc Hauser, Charles Yang, Robert Berwick, Ian Tattersall, Michael J. Ryan, Jeffrey Watumull, Noam Chomsky and Richard C. Lewontin, “The mystery of language evolution,” Frontiers in Psychology, Vol 5:401 (May 7, 2014).).

Immediately after that quote, we get this one:

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Casey Luskin added: “It’s difficult to imagine much stronger words from a more prestigious collection of experts.”

And who's quoting this effusive praise of Kairosfocus' bete noir? None other than Bornagain77!

Boy, if Kairosfocus sees this, the KF - BA77 tiff will explode into an outright war! BA77 will be banned from Montserrat and KF will no longer be welcome in the basements of Minnesota. In other words, BA77 will win!

Edited by CeilingCat on Mar. 02 2019,13:53

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Posted: Mar. 02 2019,21:26

Here's Egnor's conclusion, bursting with science:

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It isn’t brain circuitry that renders humans capable of language and animals incapable. As Aristotle pointed out two millennia ago, abstract thought is inherently an immaterial power—it is the immaterial aspect of the human soul. Animals have material souls, without an immaterial aspect. It is the nature of, and the differences between, animal and human souls that provide animals with symbolic communication and grace man with language.

Among other things, I'm curious what a material soul is?

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Posted: Mar. 02 2019,22:16

Quote (Jkrebs @ Mar. 02 2019,21:26)

Here's Egnor's conclusion, bursting with science:

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It isn’t brain circuitry that renders humans capable of language and animals incapable. As Aristotle pointed out two millennia ago, abstract thought is inherently an immaterial power—it is the immaterial aspect of the human soul. Animals have material souls, without an immaterial aspect. It is the nature of, and the differences between, animal and human souls that provide animals with symbolic communication and grace man with language.

Among other things, I'm curious what a material soul is?

I’ve heard of one made of rubber.

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Posted: Mar. 02 2019,22:19

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Among other things, I'm curious what a material soul is?

Part of each shoe?

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Posted: Mar. 03 2019,11:04

Quote (Jkrebs @ Mar. 02 2019,22:26)

Here's Egnor's conclusion, bursting with science:

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It isn’t brain circuitry that renders humans capable of language and animals incapable. As Aristotle pointed out two millennia ago, abstract thought is inherently an immaterial power—it is the immaterial aspect of the human soul. Animals have material souls, without an immaterial aspect. It is the nature of, and the differences between, animal and human souls that provide animals with symbolic communication and grace man with language.

Among other things, I'm curious what a material soul is?

Wow.

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Posted: Mar. 03 2019,15:31

Makes you wonder if he ever heard of the chimps who were taught sign language - and then taught it to their children.

Must have been symbolic.

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Posted: Mar. 03 2019,16:03

Or a parrot that was taught hundreds of words, and used them for what they mean.

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Posted: Mar. 03 2019,16:55

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Bornagain77 March 3, 2019 at 4:45 pm

Just Splendid. Seversky, quotes Marx, whose atheistic Communist philosophy for society was given a supposedly ‘scientific footing’ directly from Darwinism:

That idiot Bornagain couldn't figure out how to work a comma if his life depended on it.

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Posted: Mar. 03 2019,16:57

Otherwise things are pretty boring over at UD. We need some more entertaining creationists.

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Posted: Mar. 03 2019,17:28

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 03 2019,14:55)

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Bornagain77 March 3, 2019 at 4:45 pm

Just Splendid. Seversky, quotes Marx, whose atheistic Communist philosophy for society was given a supposedly ‘scientific footing’ directly from Darwinism:

That idiot Bornagain couldn't figure out how to work a comma if his life depended on it.

"Communist Manifesto": 1848

"On the Origin of Species": 1859

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Posted: Mar. 03 2019,18:43

Meanwhile:

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On the other hand, Seversky, it is utterly predictable that when a scientist wants to sound deep and spiritual, they bring up QM.

No one would dream of doing that at UD.
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