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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:33   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,07:48)
1 human + 1 human + 1 human = 3 humans

No macroevolution there

One scientifically illiterate dumbass Joke plus all the scientific evidence in the world still equals one scientifically illiterate dumbass Joke.

The only proven JokeMath.   :D

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Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:34   

mmm

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:34   

Yes, timmy, you are one of the most scientifically illiterate assholes, ever.

Nice job

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:35   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,09:33)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,07:48)
1 human + 1 human + 1 human = 3 humans

No macroevolution there

One scientifically illiterate dumbass Joke plus all the scientific evidence in the world still equals one scientifically illiterate dumbass Joke.

Umm, you are the scientifically illiterate dumbass Joke, timmy.

Nice own goal

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:36   

An accumulation of mutations may give you an albino dwarf, with sickle-celled anemia, cleft chin and detached ear lobes.

OR it gives you a Timothy Horton

Still not macroevolution.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:39   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,07:34)
Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102

Macroevolution is NOT just accumulations of microevolution.

Dumbass Joke continues to SCREAM OUT his same dishonest quote-mined passage.  He's too chickenshit to post the whole thing IN CONTEXT.  :D

   
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In other words, the results of the last 20 years of research on the genetic basis of adaption have led us to a great Darwinian paradox: Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.

The Case for De Novo Adaptive variation

If the genetic material for major adaptive shifts [i.e macroevolution] is not present within species' gene pools, it must be provided by some sort of mutational events.  Evidence that just such events may accompany major evolutionary changes in Eukaryotes has come from some recent intra- and interspecific surveys of families of multiple copy DNA (references provided)


Par for the course for Joke Gallien the world's dumbest YEC.  :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:51   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,09:39)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,07:34)
Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102

Macroevolution is NOT just accumulations of microevolution.

Dumbass Joke continues to SCREAM OUT his same dishonest quote-mined passage.  

What quote-mine? Only scientifically illiterate assholes think that macroevolution is an accumulation of microevolution.

An accumulation of mutations may give you an albino dwarf, with sickle-celled anemia, cleft chin and detached ear lobes.

OR it gives you a Timothy Horton

Still not macroevolution.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:52   

1- Your side cannot account for eukaryotes.

2- Given single-celled eukaryotes your side cannot account for the genes that control the development of body plans

3- Speciation occurs absent of a change in the type of body plan

4- Your blind acceptance of those papers, while amusing, just further exposes your desperation

5- As YOU have said, science has advanced since the 80s- and guess what? It doesn't help you

The EVIDENCE is:

timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes.

Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification.

timmy Horton, scientifically illiterate asshole

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Occam's Aftershave



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,09:53   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,09:36)
An accumulation of mutations may give you an albino dwarf, with sickle-celled anemia, cleft chin and detached ear lobes

Or it gives you a water dwelling mammal from a terrestrial one

 
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Molecular evolution tracks macroevolutionary transitions in Cetacea
McGowen et al
Trends In Ecology and Evolution, Volume 29, Issue 6, June 2014, P. 336–346

Abstract: Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. Recent research has begun to reveal the molecular underpinnings of the remarkable anatomical and behavioral transformation in this clade. This shift from terrestrial to aquatic environments is arguably the best-understood major morphological transition in vertebrate evolution. The ancestral body plan and physiology were extensively modified and, in many cases, these crucial changes are recorded in cetacean genomes. Recent studies have highlighted cetaceans as central to understanding adaptive molecular convergence and pseudogene formation. Here, we review current research in cetacean molecular evolution and the potential of Cetacea as a model for the study of other macroevolutionary transitions from a genomic perspective.


From the paper

 
Quote
Highlights

• Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions.
• Recent research has documented the remarkable convergence between echolocating bats and odontocetes across six genes related to auditory physiology.
• Cetaceans are a premier model of wholesale sensory evolution, in which anatomical changes related to sensory perception dovetail nicely with molecular evolutionary patterns, including the pseudogenization of some visual opsins, olfactory receptors, vomeronasal receptors, and taste receptors.
• Modifications in myoglobin also show that the net surface charge of myoglobin in cetaceans correlates with depth of dive, and these changes have also occurred in other aquatic lineages, such as pinnipeds.


Of course dumbass YEC Chubby Joke Gallien will scream WAAAAAH!!  COMMON DESIGNER!! while furiously stroking his tiny wiener.   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:09   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,09:53)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,09:36)
An accumulation of mutations may give you an albino dwarf, with sickle-celled anemia, cleft chin and detached ear lobes

Or it gives you a water dwelling mammal from a terrestrial one

 
Quote
Molecular evolution tracks macroevolutionary transitions in Cetacea
McGowen et al
Trends In Ecology and Evolution, Volume 29, Issue 6, June 2014, P. 336–346

Abstract: Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. Recent research has begun to reveal the molecular underpinnings of the remarkable anatomical and behavioral transformation in this clade. This shift from terrestrial to aquatic environments is arguably the best-understood major morphological transition in vertebrate evolution. The ancestral body plan and physiology were extensively modified and, in many cases, these crucial changes are recorded in cetacean genomes. Recent studies have highlighted cetaceans as central to understanding adaptive molecular convergence and pseudogene formation. Here, we review current research in cetacean molecular evolution and the potential of Cetacea as a model for the study of other macroevolutionary transitions from a genomic perspective.


From the paper

 
Quote
Highlights

• Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions.
• Recent research has documented the remarkable convergence between echolocating bats and odontocetes across six genes related to auditory physiology.
• Cetaceans are a premier model of wholesale sensory evolution, in which anatomical changes related to sensory perception dovetail nicely with molecular evolutionary patterns, including the pseudogenization of some visual opsins, olfactory receptors, vomeronasal receptors, and taste receptors.
• Modifications in myoglobin also show that the net surface charge of myoglobin in cetaceans correlates with depth of dive, and these changes have also occurred in other aquatic lineages, such as pinnipeds.

Eukaryotes- you don't have a mechanism capable of producing eukaryotes.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing the genetic toolkit required to control the development of body plans.


There isn't enough time in the universe for blind and mindless processes to A) find the "right" genes and B) alter them in specific ways

Wholesale sensory evolution is well beyond evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Also the article assumes and does not demonstrate, macroevolution.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:09   

1- Your side cannot account for eukaryotes.

2- Given single-celled eukaryotes your side cannot account for the genes that control the development of body plans

3- Speciation occurs absent of a change in the type of body plan

4- Your blind acceptance of those papers, while amusing, just further exposes your desperation

5- As YOU have said, science has advanced since the 80s- and guess what? It doesn't help you

The EVIDENCE is:

timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes.

Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification.

timmy Horton, scientifically illiterate asshole

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:12   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,10:09)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,09:53)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,09:36)
An accumulation of mutations may give you an albino dwarf, with sickle-celled anemia, cleft chin and detached ear lobes

Or it gives you a water dwelling mammal from a terrestrial one

     
Quote
Molecular evolution tracks macroevolutionary transitions in Cetacea
McGowen et al
Trends In Ecology and Evolution, Volume 29, Issue 6, June 2014, P. 336–346

Abstract: Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. Recent research has begun to reveal the molecular underpinnings of the remarkable anatomical and behavioral transformation in this clade. This shift from terrestrial to aquatic environments is arguably the best-understood major morphological transition in vertebrate evolution. The ancestral body plan and physiology were extensively modified and, in many cases, these crucial changes are recorded in cetacean genomes. Recent studies have highlighted cetaceans as central to understanding adaptive molecular convergence and pseudogene formation. Here, we review current research in cetacean molecular evolution and the potential of Cetacea as a model for the study of other macroevolutionary transitions from a genomic perspective.


From the paper

     
Quote
Highlights

• Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions.
• Recent research has documented the remarkable convergence between echolocating bats and odontocetes across six genes related to auditory physiology.
• Cetaceans are a premier model of wholesale sensory evolution, in which anatomical changes related to sensory perception dovetail nicely with molecular evolutionary patterns, including the pseudogenization of some visual opsins, olfactory receptors, vomeronasal receptors, and taste receptors.
• Modifications in myoglobin also show that the net surface charge of myoglobin in cetaceans correlates with depth of dive, and these changes have also occurred in other aquatic lineages, such as pinnipeds.

Eukaryotes- you don't have a mechanism capable of producing eukaryotes.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing the genetic toolkit required to control the development of body plans.


There isn't enough time in the universe for blind and mindless processes to A) find the "right" genes and B) alter them in specific ways

Wholesale sensory evolution is well beyond evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Also the article assumes and does not demonstrate, macroevolution.

Why did I know Joke would shit his pants and run from the genetic evidence for cetacean macroevolution?   :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:14   

What the heck does the term "evoTARD" even mean?

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:20   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,10:12)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,10:09)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,09:53)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,09:36)
An accumulation of mutations may give you an albino dwarf, with sickle-celled anemia, cleft chin and detached ear lobes

Or it gives you a water dwelling mammal from a terrestrial one

     
Quote
Molecular evolution tracks macroevolutionary transitions in Cetacea
McGowen et al
Trends In Ecology and Evolution, Volume 29, Issue 6, June 2014, P. 336–346

Abstract: Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. Recent research has begun to reveal the molecular underpinnings of the remarkable anatomical and behavioral transformation in this clade. This shift from terrestrial to aquatic environments is arguably the best-understood major morphological transition in vertebrate evolution. The ancestral body plan and physiology were extensively modified and, in many cases, these crucial changes are recorded in cetacean genomes. Recent studies have highlighted cetaceans as central to understanding adaptive molecular convergence and pseudogene formation. Here, we review current research in cetacean molecular evolution and the potential of Cetacea as a model for the study of other macroevolutionary transitions from a genomic perspective.


From the paper

     
Quote
Highlights

• Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions.
• Recent research has documented the remarkable convergence between echolocating bats and odontocetes across six genes related to auditory physiology.
• Cetaceans are a premier model of wholesale sensory evolution, in which anatomical changes related to sensory perception dovetail nicely with molecular evolutionary patterns, including the pseudogenization of some visual opsins, olfactory receptors, vomeronasal receptors, and taste receptors.
• Modifications in myoglobin also show that the net surface charge of myoglobin in cetaceans correlates with depth of dive, and these changes have also occurred in other aquatic lineages, such as pinnipeds.

Eukaryotes- you don't have a mechanism capable of producing eukaryotes.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing the genetic toolkit required to control the development of body plans.


There isn't enough time in the universe for blind and mindless processes to A) find the "right" genes and B) alter them in specific ways

Wholesale sensory evolution is well beyond evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Also the article assumes and does not demonstrate, macroevolution.

Why did I know Joke would shit his pants and run from the genetic evidence for cetacean macroevolution?  

Why does timmy think its ignorance is evidence for macroevolution?

My claim is YOUR POSITION doesn't have a mechanism. And the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that YOU presented supports that claim.

1- Your side cannot account for eukaryotes.

2- Given single-celled eukaryotes your side cannot account for the genes that control the development of body plans

3- Speciation occurs absent of a change in the type of body plan

4- Your blind acceptance of those papers, while amusing, just further exposes your desperation

5- As YOU have said, science has advanced since the 80s- and guess what? It doesn't help you

The EVIDENCE is:

timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes.

Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification.

timmy Horton, scientifically illiterate asshole

So please try to make your case that I ran from the evidence

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:21   

Quote (Henry J @ Jan. 22 2019,10:14)
What the heck does the term "evoTARD" even mean?

Yeah, it's redundant, I know.

evoTARD- evolutionists who think that evolution by means of blind and mindless processes actually has scientific support.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:22   

1- Your side cannot account for eukaryotes.

2- Given single-celled eukaryotes your side cannot account for the genes that control the development of body plans

3- Speciation occurs absent of a change in the type of body plan

4- Your blind acceptance of those papers, while amusing, just further exposes your desperation

5- As YOU have said, science has advanced since the 80s- and guess what? It doesn't help you

The EVIDENCE is:

timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes.

Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification.

timmy Horton, scientifically illiterate asshole

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:23   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,10:20)
 
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,10:12)
 
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,10:09)
     
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,09:53)
     
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,09:36)
An accumulation of mutations may give you an albino dwarf, with sickle-celled anemia, cleft chin and detached ear lobes

Or it gives you a water dwelling mammal from a terrestrial one

         
Quote
Molecular evolution tracks macroevolutionary transitions in Cetacea
McGowen et al
Trends In Ecology and Evolution, Volume 29, Issue 6, June 2014, P. 336–346

Abstract: Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions. Recent research has begun to reveal the molecular underpinnings of the remarkable anatomical and behavioral transformation in this clade. This shift from terrestrial to aquatic environments is arguably the best-understood major morphological transition in vertebrate evolution. The ancestral body plan and physiology were extensively modified and, in many cases, these crucial changes are recorded in cetacean genomes. Recent studies have highlighted cetaceans as central to understanding adaptive molecular convergence and pseudogene formation. Here, we review current research in cetacean molecular evolution and the potential of Cetacea as a model for the study of other macroevolutionary transitions from a genomic perspective.


From the paper

         
Quote
Highlights

• Cetacea (whales, dolphins, and porpoises) is a model group for investigating the molecular signature of macroevolutionary transitions.
• Recent research has documented the remarkable convergence between echolocating bats and odontocetes across six genes related to auditory physiology.
• Cetaceans are a premier model of wholesale sensory evolution, in which anatomical changes related to sensory perception dovetail nicely with molecular evolutionary patterns, including the pseudogenization of some visual opsins, olfactory receptors, vomeronasal receptors, and taste receptors.
• Modifications in myoglobin also show that the net surface charge of myoglobin in cetaceans correlates with depth of dive, and these changes have also occurred in other aquatic lineages, such as pinnipeds.

Eukaryotes- you don't have a mechanism capable of producing eukaryotes.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing the genetic toolkit required to control the development of body plans.


There isn't enough time in the universe for blind and mindless processes to A) find the "right" genes and B) alter them in specific ways

Wholesale sensory evolution is well beyond evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Also the article assumes and does not demonstrate, macroevolution.

Why did I know Joke would shit his pants and run from the genetic evidence for cetacean macroevolution?  

(snip Joke shitting his pants again)

Sorry Joke it's too nice a day to listen to your sorry shitheaded excuses for running from the evidence.  Go have another donut, I'm going on a bike ride.

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:51   

Yes, timmy is sorry:

Eukaryotes- you don't have a mechanism capable of producing eukaryotes.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing the genetic toolkit required to control the development of body plans.


There isn't enough time in the universe for blind and mindless processes to A) find the "right" genes and B) alter them in specific ways

Wholesale sensory evolution is well beyond evolution by means of blind and mindless processes.

Also the article assumes and does not demonstrate, macroevolution.

--------------
"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,10:52   

Why does timmy think its ignorance is evidence for macroevolution?

My claim is YOUR POSITION doesn't have a mechanism. And the SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that YOU presented supports that claim.

1- Your side cannot account for eukaryotes.

2- Given single-celled eukaryotes your side cannot account for the genes that control the development of body plans

3- Speciation occurs absent of a change in the type of body plan

4- Your blind acceptance of those papers, while amusing, just further exposes your desperation

5- As YOU have said, science has advanced since the 80s- and guess what? It doesn't help you

The EVIDENCE is:

timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes.

Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies.

You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification.

timmy Horton, scientifically illiterate asshole

So please try to make your case that I ran from the evidence - timmy shit itself rather than supports it lies

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
Joe G



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,11:10   

acartia's "Ed George" sock is taking a severe beating over on UD...

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,16:20   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,09:10)
acartia's "Ed George" sock is taking a severe beating over on UD...

Sock. Beating. Joe.

The jokes write themselves.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,19:48   

Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,11:10)
acartia's "Ed George" sock is taking a severe beating over on UD...

Meaning Joke, er, ET keeps slamming Ed George's fist with ET's face.  :D

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"CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way"
"All the evidence supports Creation baraminology"
"If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic."
"Jews and Christians are Muslims."

- Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2019,21:49   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,19:48)
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acartia's "Ed George" sock is taking a severe beating over on UD...

Meaning Joke, er, ET keeps slamming Ed George's fist with ET's face.  :D

I would love to take credit for Ed George, but I value honesty. Unlike Joke.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2019,08:41   

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Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,19:48)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,11:10)
acartia's "Ed George" sock is taking a severe beating over on UD...

Meaning Joke, er, ET keeps slamming Ed George's fist with ET's face.  :D

I would love to take credit for Ed George, but I value honesty.

All evidence to the contrary, of course

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2019,08:42   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 22 2019,19:48)
Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 22 2019,11:10)
acartia's "Ed George" sock is taking a severe beating over on UD...

Meaning Joke, er, ET keeps slamming Ed George's fist with ET's face.  :D

Then Ed's dainty arm and hand must be broken by now.

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"Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2019,08:42   

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acartia's "Ed George" sock is taking a severe beating over on UD...

Sock. Beating. Joe.

The jokes write themselves.

That darned sock!

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD

YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2019,08:57   

Alan Fox is proud to be a shit eating liar:
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Because “ID” has no testable hypothesis that makes testable predictions. It is unfalsifiable until someone can say “ID predicts X happens” where X is some observable phenomenon.


Then it is strange that a testable hypothesis for ID has been presented. And it includes a way to falsify ID:

ID is based on three premises and the inference that follows (DeWolf et al., Darwinism, Design and Public Education, pg. 92):



1) High information content (or specified complexity) and irreducible complexity constitute strong indicators or hallmarks of (past) intelligent design.

2) Biological systems have a high information content (or specified complexity) and utilize subsystems that manifest irreducible complexity.

3) Naturalistic mechanisms or undirected causes do not suffice to explain the origin of information (specified complexity) or irreducible complexity.

4) Therefore, intelligent design constitutes the best explanations for the origin of information and irreducible complexity in biological systems.

That is by far more than your position has, Alan. And it is a given that no one will produce anything so we can compare.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

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YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2019,10:24   

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We don’t teach lies to our children Bill.


Yes, we do. And once the children become aware enough to start asking the unanswerable questions, those lies will be the end of evolutionism.

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2019,10:44   

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One of the reasons I read UD (and am somewhat perversely fascinated by it) is to see the psychology of both dogmatic belief and defensive tribalism at work.

Just come here. Or read Coyne's blog- or Sandwalk. TSZ is good for that too, as is Peaceful Science.

Those sites are great for " see[ing] the psychology of both dogmatic belief and defensive tribalism at work"

Or just read your own trope

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"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2019,20:25   

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Quote (Jkrebs @ Jan. 23 2019,10:40)
One of the reasons I read UD (and am somewhat perversely fascinated by it) is to see the psychology of both dogmatic belief and defensive tribalism at work.

Just come here. Or read Coyne's blog- or Sandwalk. TSZ is good for that too, as is Peaceful Science.

Those sites are great for " see[ing] the psychology of both dogmatic belief and defensive tribalism at work"

To see a really pitiful scientifically illiterate and socially retarded YEC with severe emotional and anger issues check out a blogspot called Intelligent Reasoning.

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