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Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:14    one -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:14    two -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:18    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,11:14) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:08)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,10:59)     Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,09:11)       Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 20 2019,13:41) Drowning in objective science over there.  :D  :p  :D You don't know what science is so forget about objective science. Oh, you mean like the "objective science" from Answers In Genesis you rely on?   :D You don't know anything about science, timmy. So perhaps you should just shut up. Everyone has noticed that you have NEVER presented any science that supports your asinine claims. I'm not the moron who claimed all science and experiments support a limit to the evolution of created "kinds", couldn't support the ridiculous claim, then stupidly demanded science prove the negative "there is no limit." You are a fucking liar as that never happened. For the record- despite pathological liar timmy's claims to the contrary, I am asking for positive evidence to support its claims that, for example, bacteria can evolve into something other than bacteria. timmy is too chicken-shit to ante up, though -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:19    I supported the claim, asshole. The following is the summary, again: timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes. Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies. You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification. Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 timmy Horton is a sad excuse for a human -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:23    However Darwin demanded we prove a negative: Quote "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." [Darwin 1859, pg. 175]. And timmy wants us to prove a negative by showing macroevolution could not happen. Losers and proud of it -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:50    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 21 2019,11:44) Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 21 2019,10:27) Quote As long-time readers know, we at UD often disparage Wikipedia for its left-wing bias. thus sayeth barry Hey Barry you could always switch to conservapedia. They have a great article about how E equals MC square is liberal claptrap.  :p  :)  :D We all know that e is interchangeable with mc^2 under certain context. :) Yes, that is the whole point. Or are you really too stupid to understand that? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:55    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:19) I supported the claim, asshole. You mean you supported the fact you are an asshole. There is zero scientific evidence for any limit which keeps evolution to within created "kinds".   Joke's stupid "we've never seen a fish evolve into a warthog" isn't scientific evidence.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:57    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:50) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 21 2019,11:44) Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 21 2019,10:27)   Quote As long-time readers know, we at UD often disparage Wikipedia for its left-wing bias. thus sayeth barry Hey Barry you could always switch to conservapedia. They have a great article about how E equals MC square is liberal claptrap.  :p  :)  :D We all know that e is interchangeable with mc^2 under certain context. :) Yes, that is the whole point. Or are you really too stupid to understand that? Now Joke is saying that e only equals mc^2 under some context, not all contexts. You could break your neck diving into the shallow depth of Joje’s knowledge.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:58    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,11:55) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:19) I supported the claim, asshole. You mean I supported the claim, asshole. The following is the summary, again: timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes. Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies. You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification. Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 timmy Horton is a sad excuse for a human -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:58    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:23) And timmy wants us to prove a negative by showing macroevolution could not happen. You're the idiot who claimed all the scientific evidence shows a limit to evolution within created "kinds".  All you supplied for "evidence " was a repetition of the same stupidity from AIG.   Joke Gallien, pushing YEC JokeScience since 1995.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,11:59    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 21 2019,11:57) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:50) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 21 2019,11:44)   Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 21 2019,10:27)   Quote As long-time readers know, we at UD often disparage Wikipedia for its left-wing bias. thus sayeth barry Hey Barry you could always switch to conservapedia. They have a great article about how E equals MC square is liberal claptrap.  :p  :)  :D We all know that e is interchangeable with mc^2 under certain context. :) Yes, that is the whole point. Or are you really too stupid to understand that? Now Joke is saying that e only equals mc^2 under some context, not all contexts. Go ahead get the energy from a rock- moron -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:00    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,09:07) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 20 2019,19:46) News   Quote ET at 5, you didn’t really mean what you said, did you? If you don’t know the person, you can’t know that. If you do, it rather sounds like a personal grievance, best not aired in a public venue. Barry   Quote Yeah ET, you owe Sev an apology. Oops. Joke just got spanked in front of everyone by mom and dad. How embarrassing is that? It wasn't embarrassing at all. They clearly do not understand Sev's post Then why don’t you point it out to them in the same fine form that you use here? Coward?

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:00    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,11:58) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:23) And timmy wants us to prove a negative by showing macroevolution could not happen. You're the I supported the claim, asshole. The following is the summary, again: timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes. Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies. You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification. Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 timmy Horton is a sad excuse for a human an clearly a desperate loser -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:01    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 21 2019,12:00) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,09:07) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Jan. 20 2019,19:46) News     Quote ET at 5, you didn’t really mean what you said, did you? If you don’t know the person, you can’t know that. If you do, it rather sounds like a personal grievance, best not aired in a public venue. Barry   Quote Yeah ET, you owe Sev an apology. Oops. Joke just got spanked in front of everyone by mom and dad. How embarrassing is that? It wasn't embarrassing at all. They clearly do not understand Sev's post Then why don’t you point it out to them in the same fine form that you use here? I have pointed it out to them, asshole. Why are you such a cry-baby momma's boy? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:03    For the record- despite pathological liar timmy's claims to the contrary, I am asking for positive evidence to support its claims that, for example, bacteria can evolve into something other than bacteria. timmy is too chicken-shit to ante up, though timmy the ignorant coward will now make a big deal out of the bolding of the facts it wants to ignore and keep ignoring the facts. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:04    For the record- I referenced AiG because they are experts and authorities of the concept of baraminology. They refuted timmy's ignorant spewage and because of that timmy went into a nuclear meltdown -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:05    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:58)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,11:55)       Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:19) I supported the claim, asshole. You mean you supported the fact you are an asshole I supported the claim LOL!  Joke "supported"  his claim of a limit to evolution with a single dishonestly quote-mined sentence from a 35 year old article.     That's a step up from AIG but still not scientific evidence Joke. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:06    Here comes Joke's predictable  BOLD ALL CAPS SCREAMING again.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:07    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,12:05) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:58)       Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,11:55)       Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,11:19) I supported the claim, asshole. You mean you supported the fact you are an asshole I supported the claim LOL!  Joke "supported"  his claim of a limit to evolution with a single dishonestly quote-mined sentence from a 35 year old article.     Liar. I know that timmy cannot make it's case of a quote-mine. And it is a given that timmy will never present any mechanism capable of producing macroevolution. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:08    I supported the claim, asshole. The following is the summary, again: timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes. Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies. You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification. Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 timmy Horton is a sad excuse for a human an clearly a desperate loser -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:10    For the record- I referenced AiG because they are experts and authorities of the concept of baraminology. They refuted timmy's ignorant spewage and because of that timmy went into a nuclear meltdown -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:14    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:00)       Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 This is from the same review article as Joke's quote-mined hack job:       Quote "Obviously, however, adaptive evolutionary changes have occurred at all levels of biological organization"  John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 Joke's own source says there's no evidence of a limit to evolutionary changes between Joke's YEC "kinds".       ETA:  Here is article Joke quote-mined (or more precisely, he copied the quote-mine from another YEC webpage).  You can download the pdf from the link. The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review Go ahead Joke and show us in the paper the evidence for your limit to evolution within created "kinds".   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:16    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:10) For the record- I referenced AiG because ..because you're a scientifically illiterate moron who goes to YEC web pages for your "science".   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:53    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,12:14) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:00)       Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 This is from the same review article as Joke's quote-mined hack job:       Quote "Obviously, however, adaptive evolutionary changes have occurred at all levels of biological organization"  John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 Joke's own source says there's no evidence of a limit to evolutionary changes between Joke's YEC "kinds".  :D  :D  :D ETA:  Here is article Joke quote-mined (or more precisely, he copied the quote-mine from another YEC webpage).  You can download the pdf from the link. [URL=https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Mcdonald27/publication/234150452_The_Molecular_Basis_of_Adaptation_A_Critical_Review_of_Relevant_Ideas_and_Observ ations/links/568e7ff508aef987e567be0d/The-Molecular-Basis-of-Adaptation-A-Critical-Review-of-Relevant-Ideas-and-Observations.pdf ]The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review[/URL] Go ahead Joke and show us in the paper the evidence for your limit to evolution within created "kinds".   :) Umm, loser, there isn't anything in the paper that says macroevolution is possible. My quote was to show that macro is not just an accumulation of micro, which is perfectly in line with the paper. timmy has failed to show I quote-mined the paper -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:54    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,12:16) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:10) For the record- I referenced AiG because they are experts and authorities of the concept of baraminology. They refuted timmy's ignorant spewage and because of that timmy went into a nuclear meltdown ..because you're a And again, AiG has more science than materialism or evolutionism. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:56    Timothy Horton said: Quote Genetic mutations aren't mistakes That is what ID say. Timothy Horton is proud to be an IDist. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,12:57    timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes. Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies. You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification. timmy the ignorant asshole ignores reality and prattles on like a petulant child. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,13:10    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:53)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,12:14)   Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:00)           Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 This is from the same review article as Joke's quote-mined hack job:           Quote "Obviously, however, adaptive evolutionary changes have occurred at all levels of biological organization"  John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 Joke's own source says there's no evidence of a limit to evolutionary changes between Joke's YEC "kinds".       ETA:  Here is article Joke quote-mined (or more precisely, he copied the quote-mine from another YEC webpage).  You can download the pdf from the link. The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review Go ahead Joke and show us in the paper the evidence for your limit to evolution within created "kinds".   Umm, loser, there isn't anything in the paper that says macroevolution is possible. My quote was to show that macro is not just an accumulation of micro, which is perfectly in line with the paper. timmy has failed to show I quote-mined the paper LOL!  Joke the dumbass got caught posting a sad YEC quote-mine as his evidence for a limit to evolution in created "kinds". The actual paper says just the opposite and has nothing to do with limits or created "kinds". See Joke, that's what happens when you blindly regurgitate YEC stupidity you get from YEC websites without bothering to check the source.   Joke Gallien, world's dumbest most gullible YEC.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,13:27    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,13:10) Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:53)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Jan. 21 2019,12:14)     Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,12:00)           Quote Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable.- John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 This is from the same review article as Joke's quote-mined hack job:           Quote "Obviously, however, adaptive evolutionary changes have occurred at all levels of biological organization"  John McDonald, “The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review of Relevant Ideas and Observation”, Annual Review of Ecology and Systematics: 14, 1983, p77-102 Joke's own source says there's no evidence of a limit to evolutionary changes between Joke's YEC "kinds".  :D  :D  :D ETA:  Here is article Joke quote-mined (or more precisely, he copied the quote-mine from another YEC webpage).  You can download the pdf from the link. [URL=https://www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Mcdonald27/publication/234150452_The_Molecular_Basis_of_Adaptation_A_Critical_Review_of_Relevant_Ideas_and_Observ ations/links/568e7ff508aef987e567be0d/The-Molecular-Basis-of-Adaptation-A-Critical-Review-of-Relevant-Ideas-and-Observations.pdf ]The Molecular Basis of Adaptation: A Critical Review[/URL] Go ahead Joke and show us in the paper the evidence for your limit to evolution within created "kinds".   :) Umm, loser, there isn't anything in the paper that says macroevolution is possible. My quote was to show that macro is not just an accumulation of micro, which is perfectly in line with the paper. timmy has failed to show I quote-mined the paper LOL!  Joke the dumbass got caught posting a sad YEC quote-mine as his evidence for a limit to evolution in created "kinds". My quote was to show that macro is not just an accumulation of micro, which is perfectly in line with the paper. timmy has failed to show I quote-mined the paper The EVIDENCE is: timmy wants to know about limits- mechanisms, timmy- as in there aren't any known mechanisms capable of producing eukaryotes given starting populations of archaea and prokaryotes. Everything we know says that bacteria always give rise to bacteria. Sponges always give rise to sponges. Fish always give rise to fish. Fruit flies always give rise to fruit flies. You don't have a mechanism capable of producing anything beyond limited descent with modification. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2019,13:49    Quote (Joe G @ Jan. 21 2019,13:27) My quote was to show that macro is not just an accumulation of micro, which is perfectly in line with the paper. LOL!  No it's not you jackass.  You didn't even look at the paper.  Here's the context of the quote-mine       Quote In other words, the results of the last 20 years of research on the genetic basis of adaption have led us to a great Darwinian paradox: Loci that are obviously variable within natural populations do not seem to lie at the basis of many major adaptive changes, while those loci that seemingly do constitute the foundation of many if not most major adaptive changes are not variable. The Case for De Novo Adaptive variation If the genetic material for major adaptive shifts [i.e macroevolution] is not present within species' gene pools, it must be provided by some sort of mutational events.  Evidence that just such events may accompany major evolutionary changes in Eukaryotes has come from some recent intra- and interspecific surveys of families of multiple copy DNA (references provided) Emphasis mine.   All the paper says is that the genetic basis for macro changes doesn't come from existing variations in the gene pool, it comes from new mutations.  This was relatively new knowledge back in 1983 when this article was written. Joke you are a dumbass to end all dumbasses.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

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